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Would you trust Mac Walters and Casey Hudson with ME4?


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iakus wrote...

Ronnocloki wrote...

I'm afraid not, now if they put Weekes in charge or managed to lure Drew Karpyshyn back I'd consider it.


I still wouldn't.  Not unless I knew for fact they didn't have Saw movies playing in the background of their brainstorming sessions. Or decided Red Dad Redemption was the awesomest rpg on the market.  Or something equally silly.


How about John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes instead?

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The last time I trusted a game developer to live up to their promises I got Oblivion.

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Mesina2 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ronnocloki wrote...

I'm afraid not, now if they put Weekes in charge or managed to lure Drew Karpyshyn back I'd consider it.


I still wouldn't.  Not unless I knew for fact they didn't have Saw movies playing in the background of their brainstorming sessions. Or decided Red Dead Redemption was the awesomest rpg on the market.  Or something equally silly.


How about John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes instead?


I'd be more receptive, but I've still been burned too badly to trust.  I'm sick of forced tragedy.

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I want to say yes, but I can't.

The ending to ME3 was Casey's idea, and Walters likely wrote it.

Weekes - should definitely play a large part of any future ME games. The Genophage plot was great, and a lot of Weekes' character/dialogue writing was spot on too.

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Only time will tell. All I want for them is to be honest.

Modifié par bigmass41, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:48 .


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Only if Weeks was the Head Writer instead. Have Walters go back to writing characters. With Hudson producing it? ME4 will be a total rental for me, if thats the case, since he shot down the Anderson scene even when Walters wanted it to stay in.

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I'll say yes for now might change once all the dlc is released

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Depends on how you define trust in this situation. I wouldn't give up on the game just because they were/are involved, but I sure as hell wouldn't trust anything they said about the game. Too many lies about ME3 for me to be able to do that.

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Fiannawolf wrote...

Only if Weeks was the Head Writer instead. Have Walters go back to writing characters. With Hudson producing it? ME4 will be a total rental for me, if thats the case, since he shot down the Anderson scene even when Walters wanted it to stay in.

This. Weekes is a much better head writer, and Walters shines when writing characters. 

Hudson I would still trust. Just because ME3 went a little sour doesn't mean Hudson's previous accomplishments with Mass Effect and KOTOR should go unnoticed. 

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I don't need trust. Show me the finished product and then we will talk.

Modifié par h0neanias, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .


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Casey Hudson is the father of Mass Effect. I can't imagine anything ME related created by Bioware without him.
While I have no problem with Mac, I think he's not that important for the next story. If he participates in writing it, I will be completely ok with it. But this time around I don't want to see a rushed, unfinished job (like with ME3's ending without the EC).

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Regarding Casey, I don't want to see him try to be a writer again. Period. His title is Executive Producer, so that's the job he should be doing. The most he should ever be involved in the writing process is guiding the team in a general direction, if that much.

Regarding Mac, as much flak as we give him for the ending, he's done a great job with the majority of everything else he's been involved in. He's a great character writer, for sure. So I think that's what he should focus on.

John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes should be in charge of the story. They did Tuchanka, which was arguably one of the best parts of ME3, along with Rannoch and Priority: Earth.

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Considering Casey's work on ME1, ME2, and Kotor I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. However, if he insists in writing part of the story (hopefully he won't), then PLEASE get a peer review.

Mac...I like his writing on characters, but not as a lead writer. Think Weekes should be considered for lead writer.

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Mass Effect exists thanks to Casey, so sure.

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Unfortunately Casey has developed a creators complex, i dont think he can keep himself away from meddling in the creation of a solid peer reviewed game, Mac I am unsure about, due to the Casey problem.

Basically no, Casey is a captain of a sinking ship and EA is Cthulhu as far as I am concerned.

I would love it if he could keep the wolves at bay, but concidering the evidence of dozens of other game developers, I have zero hope in this matter.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:07 .


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Tuchanka and Rannoch were the best parts of ME3, and some of the best moments of the entire series. I think that should speak for itself as far as writers are concerned.

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Of course I would trust them. They are not only responsible for what could've been better, but also for most of what was great in the Mass Effect universe, Casey Hudson as producer of all three games and Mac Walters as lead writer for ME2 and ME3. I still play ME2 and ME3 (and ME1 only not, because of the outdated combat), so the job they have done is fine in my book.

Did I expect ME3 to be totally different to how it was? Yes, but it is still a lot of fun. So of course I trust them, that ME4 will be fun too. Also don't discount, that if anyone has learned something from ME3 it's these two, so I don't think there is anyone out there who may better understand what could've been better while also staying true to the story they wanna tell us.

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I still trust casey and mac, I'd prefer Mac go back to character writing of course, but for guys who have been involved in ME since the start, I'd be MORE worried if they werent involved than if they were.

Especially Casey as he technically is one of the driving forces behind ME from the get go. So without him ME wouldnt have come around essentially. He's been EP since its inception so he'd HAVE to stay around.

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T-Raks wrote...

Of course I would trust them. They are not only responsible for what could've been better, but also for most of what was great in the Mass Effect universe, Casey Hudson as producer of all three games and Mac Walters as lead writer for ME2 and ME3. I still play ME2 and ME3 (and ME1 only not, because of the outdated combat), so the job they have done is fine in my book.

Did I expect ME3 to be totally different to how it was? Yes, but it is still a lot of fun. So of course I trust them, that ME4 will be fun too. Also don't discount, that if anyone has learned something from ME3 it's these two, so I don't think there is anyone out there who may better understand what could've been better while also staying true to the story they wanna tell us.


Actually, Mac Walters wasn't the only lead writer for ME2. He co-written the main plot of the story with Drew Karpyshyn, who "retired" after ME2. Similarly, Armando Troisi, the narrative director, was a guy whose job was to make sure that the lead writers would stay true to the story; that they wouldn't deviate from the established narrative. But he also left after ME2. At least the great character writers stayed on the team.

I'm not entirely sure that Casey and Mac really learnt from the experience--from the backlash. I mean, I hope they did. But the time will tell. I suppose the EC ending would've given us the chance to achieve a true happy ending if they had really learnt anything. We didn't get a real happy ending, however. Instead, both Mac and Casey defended their (original) writing with the so-called "artistic integrity" excuse.

Modifié par Snypy, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:23 .


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Cainne Chapel wrote...
Especially Casey as he technically is one of the driving forces behind ME from the get go. So without him ME wouldnt have come around essentially. He's been EP since its inception so he'd HAVE to stay around.


Maybe he is, but if he has to go around asking for tips, what does it say about this driving force? He had no bloody idea where the series was supposed to end, that is what the whole point of the story was, and now he has no bloody idea where to go from here. That's not reassuring.

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I'd certainly like to see Casey as director again. He directed ME1, KOTOR, and ME2. However, I do in fact think he should keep his hands off the storywriting, and remain the director purely.

As for Mac... Not as lead writer, no. However, I do see him as a viable possibility for character writing.

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I don't know who Mac Walters is but put Casey in charge of ME4, that's a simple no. He screwed with the ending and claimed it to be an "artistic vission". My arse! He came up with the so called EC 'cause people was pissed.

If he get's put in charge, I'm not gonna buy it. <_<

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Doctor Moustache wrote...

I don't think Walters is a good writer, I think he belongs on some ****ty fox action show like 24. 


You're calling 24 "a _______ Fox action show"?Image IPB
One of my favourite shows of all time? "a ______ Fox action show"?

Each to thier own I guess.

Nope sorry. I need a good blubb here.

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Agent Zoot wrote...

I don't know who Mac Walters is but put Casey in charge of ME4, that's a simple no. He screwed with the ending and claimed it to be an "artistic vission". My arse! He came up with the so called EC 'cause people was pissed.

If he get's put in charge, I'm not gonna buy it. <_<

You don't know who Mac Walters is, the lead story writer of the game? The guy who is probably most responsible for that cesspit of an ending?
Yet somehow, Casey Hudson, who's been there since the very first game, should be cast out?

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Depending on how it plays out, sure... Hudson and Walters have been involved with all three. The Lead writer of ME1 and co-lead writer of ME2 should be brought back in a consulting role, imo!

If IT is the direction of 4, should be a great game and hopefully a nicer retirement for Commander Shepard. lol