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[Icinix]

More so now. I don't believe BioWare would let another DA2 or ME3 out.

More questions will be asked and tighter checks, fans will also be a bit more cautious, they would know they really need to bring their A game.

Besides - yes, the ending was very 'da fuq', the terminator at the end of ME2 was also 'da fuq' but the games themselves and the majority of the story is good.

[spirosz]

Casey did give me KOTOR, as ME1 and ME2, so no I don't dislike the guy, I just wish the game came out later than sooner because I hate this whole mentality of "we had our most ambitious title yet, with the fastest development time! Yippie!" All three games needed work, but there were certain instances in ME3 that just exploded in my face saying "rushed."

Modifié par spirosz, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:52 .

[AlexMBrennan]

More so now. I don't believe BioWare would let another DA2 or ME3 out.

Is that what you thought after DA2, too? It's kinda the reverse "boy who cried wolf" - you trust Casey more now that he has proven that he will tell any lie to shift more units. Which makes total sense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes I would trust them with Mass Effect 4. I believe they've done a great job so far and hope to see more in the future.

[Comsky159]

Nooooooooo hand the ball to Patrick. That man can actually write.

[Icinix]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

More so now. I don't believe BioWare would let another DA2 or ME3 out.

Is that what you thought after DA2, too? It's kinda the reverse "boy who cried wolf" - you trust Casey more now that he has proven that he will tell any lie to shift more units. Which makes total sense.

Haha. No - I mean the review process, the people who watch these things will be tighter and ask more questions.

[frustratemyself]

You lost me at ME4.

[Errationatus]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

"Not on your knife. I mean, not on your life!"

After all, I'm still waiting for "the promise I was kingdomed. No, that's not right, the kingdom I was promised."

Sadly I doubt many will get the reference.

"I suppose nothing hurts you..."

"Only pain."


As to ME4 and it's writers, whoever they may be?  Who gives a sh!t?  We're all presuming it'll be another SP game.

There is no Bioware.  This is EA who decides.  They don't like them games.  You don't need writers to have Vega mindlessly shoot crap alongside his cheerful quarian girlfriend and bitter batarian sidekick.

Feh and meh.

[Yate]

I actually like Walters' writing...

Hudson can go to hell though.

Modifié par Yate, 16 octobre 2012 - 12:58 .

[Rynocerous]

If it's a new story, I have no real problems with it as long as the game moves back towards it's RPGish roots.

I think Walters needs to be teamed with other writers though. The guy who did Tuchanka was good.

[Julia4891]

spirosz wrote...

Casey did give me KOTOR, as ME1 and ME2, so no I don't dislike the guy, I just wish the game came out later than sooner because I hate this whole mentality of "we had our most ambitious title yet, with the fastest development time! Yippie!" All three games needed work, but there were certain instances in ME3 that just exploded in my face saying "rushed."

This.

People should stop trashing Bioware or Casey. He was the project director of ME1 e ME2 so yes the guy deserves some credibility. That three color ending was depressive, that hit me too. Not because it was sad, but because it was just rushed and everything else we already know. But ME is still a hell of a trilogy.

If they keep the story deep and mature, the soundtrack great, the acting voice really nice, the ME 1 dialogue system and ME3 combat system I'm sure ME4 ( 5 and 6)  will be tons of fun. Especially if we have more than one hero. Two or three main characters (with gender, specie, background, etc. customization) would be fun. One main main charachter and the others just to give you another perspective of the universe. I don't know why, but I'd like to play as a badass soldier, adept, etc., but also as an emabassador or an explorer. It would be even better if my choices as, let's say, a soldier, had an impact on my explorer's story and so on.

Anyway: now they know they can take their time and not rush everything so I believe ME 4 can be really great.

Modifié par LadyRuby1985, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:58 .

[FlamingBoy]

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

This.

People should stop trashing Bioware or Casey. He was the project director of ME1 and ME2 so yes the guy deserves some credibility. That three color ending was depressive, that hit me too. But ME is still a hell of a trilogy.

If they keep the story deep and mature, the soundtrack great, the acting voice really nice, the ME 1 dialogue system and ME3 combat system I'm sure ME 4 ( 5 and 6)  will be tons of fun. Especially if we have more than one hero. Two or three main characters (with gender, specie, background, etc. customization) would be fun. I don't know why, but I'd like to play as a badass soldier, adept, etc., but also as an emabassador or an explorer. It would be even better if my choices as, let's say, a soldier, had an impact on my explorer's story and so on.

Anyway: now they know they can take their time and not rush everything so I believe ME 4 can be really great.

It wasn't the ending that put me against casey, mac, gamble, and bioware. it was the pre-release developer quotes that turned out to be lies and quite frankly I would not have not bought the product if it wasn't for those lies in the first place.

Hence they probably deserve a little trashing

[Julia4891]

FlamingBoy wrote...

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

This.

People should stop trashing Bioware or Casey. He was the project director of ME1 and ME2 so yes the guy deserves some credibility. That three color ending was depressive, that hit me too. But ME is still a hell of a trilogy.

If they keep the story deep and mature, the soundtrack great, the acting voice really nice, the ME 1 dialogue system and ME3 combat system I'm sure ME 4 ( 5 and 6)  will be tons of fun. Especially if we have more than one hero. Two or three main characters (with gender, specie, background, etc. customization) would be fun. I don't know why, but I'd like to play as a badass soldier, adept, etc., but also as an emabassador or an explorer. It would be even better if my choices as, let's say, a soldier, had an impact on my explorer's story and so on.

Anyway: now they know they can take their time and not rush everything so I believe ME 4 can be really great.

It wasn't the ending that put me against casey, mac, gamble, and bioware. it was the pre-release developer quotes that turned out to be lies and quite frankly I would not have not bought the product if it wasn't for those lies in the first place.

Hence they probably deserve a little trashing

Well, maybe five months ago they deserved. But come on... After the EC? I'm not saying the EC resolved everything but at least Bioware tried to redeem itself a little. I think we should get over it, really.

And I believe it's a lesson learned for Bioware. At least I really hope.

[Julia4891]

Rynocerous wrote...

If it's a new story, I have no real problems with it as long as the game moves back towards it's RPGish roots.

I think Walters needs to be teamed with other writers though. The guy who did Tuchanka was good.

Ditto.

[Yate]

Are people actually buying ME4? My story ended with Shepard.

[FlamingBoy]

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

Well, maybe five months ago they deserved. But come on... After the EC? I'm not saying the EC resolved everything but at least Bioware tried to redeem itself a little. I think we should get over it, really.

And I believe it's a lesson learned for Bioware. At least I really hope.

Quite frankly this is the problem, people deciding for other people when to "get over it". You use the EC as a defense but this suffers from the subjective fact that I thought the ec was a piece of crap adding more content to a lie. A lie which allowede me to make a decision to buy the game (expensive i might add) on the basis of those lies. this is not only a questionable business practice but in some countries this is actually illegal.


I will use a quote to place more basis in my argument(i will only use one quote, but there are TONS) this quote by casey hudson
"This story arc is coming to an end with
this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this
point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a
player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's
not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can
say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"

this is probably one of the more famous quotes because its contradictory to both the experience of me3 and the ec.

Lets forget the obvious fact that the ABC ending was in the game, but the implication by these words that all your choices and decisions (within some reason of course) would some how matter in the me3 experience not only in just the ending but through out the game. the fact that this was not this was not even included to a reasonable level is unacceptable, and the EC did not solve it.

Hence it is irrelevant how much time has gone past (aka "get over it time") since I bought the product the game is not fit for purpose on what the developers said the game would be.

[ErMacPE]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

"Not on your knife. I mean, not on your life!"

After all, I'm still waiting for "the promise I was kingdomed. No, that's not right, the kingdom I was promised."

Sadly I doubt many will get the reference.

"If you're going to learn how to fight, then learn with a real weapon. Not with a toothpick!" - reference gotten, and here's another...

I'd be interested if they were to be involved in something new, but I don't know that I would have the same blind optimism that I previously had. Both of them are very good at what they do, but sadly, the events of ME 3 have left me a little untrusting...

[Julia4891]

FlamingBoy wrote...

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

Well, maybe five months ago they deserved. But come on... After the EC? I'm not saying the EC resolved everything but at least Bioware tried to redeem itself a little. I think we should get over it, really.

And I believe it's a lesson learned for Bioware. At least I really hope.

Quite frankly this is the problem, people deciding for other people when to "get over it". You use the EC as a defense but this suffers from the subjective fact that I thought the ec was a piece of crap adding more content to a lie. A lie which allowede me to make a decision to buy the game (expensive i might add) on the basis of those lies. this is not only a questionable business practice but in some countries this is actually illegal.


I will use a quote to place more basis in my argument(i will only use one quote, but there are TONS) this quote by casey hudson
"This story arc is coming to an end with
this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this
point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a
player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's
not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can
say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"

this is probably one of the more famous quotes because its contradictory to both the experience of me3 and the ec.

Lets forget the obvious fact that the ABC ending was in the game, but the implication by these words that all your choices and decisions (within some reason of course) would some how matter in the me3 experience not only in just the ending but through out the game. the fact that this was not this was not even included to a reasonable level is unacceptable, and the EC did not solve it.

Hence it is irrelevant how much time has gone past (aka "get over it time") since I bought the product the game is not fit for purpose on what the developers said the game would be.

Yes he said all of that, you're right. Nothing of what he said happened cause the whole thing was too rushed (and I'm not saying he was not responsible but I truly believe EA is guilty here too).

Anyway, I really think ME4 (5 and 6) is still possible and it has potential to be even better than it's antecessors. Casey made a mistake, but that's life and we are humans: we make mistakes and we tend to sometimes disappoint others.
I believe in being a little bit generous and forgive, especially when Bioware at least tried to fix things a little with the EC. 

If I can forgive an annoying coworker for his mistakes, why not a guy who helped to develop a game that brought me so much fun?

Ok, you're right and it's a very subjective matter then.

I got over that ending and I still like the trilogy. It seems you probably won't be buying ME4, I don't know. I know I will. If the reviews are good of course. If it's another shooting crap, then I won't.

[Shepard108278]

FlamingBoy wrote...

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

This.

People should stop trashing Bioware or Casey. He was the project director of ME1 and ME2 so yes the guy deserves some credibility. That three color ending was depressive, that hit me too. But ME is still a hell of a trilogy.

If they keep the story deep and mature, the soundtrack great, the acting voice really nice, the ME 1 dialogue system and ME3 combat system I'm sure ME 4 ( 5 and 6)  will be tons of fun. Especially if we have more than one hero. Two or three main characters (with gender, specie, background, etc. customization) would be fun. I don't know why, but I'd like to play as a badass soldier, adept, etc., but also as an emabassador or an explorer. It would be even better if my choices as, let's say, a soldier, had an impact on my explorer's story and so on.

Anyway: now they know they can take their time and not rush everything so I believe ME 4 can be really great.

It wasn't the ending that put me against casey, mac, gamble, and bioware. it was the pre-release developer quotes that turned out to be lies and quite frankly I would not have not bought the product if it wasn't for those lies in the first place.

Hence they probably deserve a little trashing

I don't see it that way at all. IMO I got what I was promised, pre and post EC.

[Julia4891]

Shepard108278 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

This.

People should stop trashing Bioware or Casey. He was the project director of ME1 and ME2 so yes the guy deserves some credibility. That three color ending was depressive, that hit me too. But ME is still a hell of a trilogy.

If they keep the story deep and mature, the soundtrack great, the acting voice really nice, the ME 1 dialogue system and ME3 combat system I'm sure ME 4 ( 5 and 6)  will be tons of fun. Especially if we have more than one hero. Two or three main characters (with gender, specie, background, etc. customization) would be fun. I don't know why, but I'd like to play as a badass soldier, adept, etc., but also as an emabassador or an explorer. It would be even better if my choices as, let's say, a soldier, had an impact on my explorer's story and so on.

Anyway: now they know they can take their time and not rush everything so I believe ME 4 can be really great.

It wasn't the ending that put me against casey, mac, gamble, and bioware. it was the pre-release developer quotes that turned out to be lies and quite frankly I would not have not bought the product if it wasn't for those lies in the first place.

Hence they probably deserve a little trashing

I don't see it that way at all. IMO I got what I was promised, pre and post EC.

Yes, for me the fact that they made an EC meant something, at least it gave more closure to the game and they showed, spite all that "artistic integrity" thing, that they realized they made a huge mistake rushing things like that.
The EC didn't completely save the ending of course but it would be worst if they didn't do anything about that - at least in my opinion.
But, as you said, it's all subjective and I still like the trilogy and think Hudson can still do a good work in ME4, especially if he mixes old and new talents.

[IST]

Icinix wrote...

More so now. I don't believe BioWare would let another DA2 or ME3 out.

More questions will be asked and tighter checks, fans will also be a bit more cautious, they would know they really need to bring their A game.

Besides - yes, the ending was very 'da fuq', the terminator at the end of ME2 was also 'da fuq' but the games themselves and the majority of the story is good.

Ha, I actually prefered the vanilla ending to ME3 to the ending to ME2.... dat terminator.. wow.

EE ending is excellent.. I can't wait for Omega to drop, as I've saved up Leviathan also to do a ME1-ME2-ME3 playthrough again on Insanity with all DLC... so, so, epic.

[FlamingBoy]

LadyRuby1985 wrote...

Yes he said all of that, you're right. Nothing of what he said happened cause the whole thing was too rushed (and I'm not saying he was not responsible but I truly believe EA is guilty here too).

Anyway, I really think ME4 (5 and 6) is still possible and it has potential to be even better than it's antecessors. Casey made a mistake, but that's life and we are humans: we make mistakes and we tend to sometimes disappoint others.
I believe in being a little bit generous and forgive, especially when Bioware at least tried to fix things a little with the EC. 

If I can forgive an annoying coworker for his mistakes, why not a guy who helped to develop a game that brought me so much fun?

Ok, you're right and it's a very subjective matter then.

I got over that ending and I still like the trilogy. It seems you probably won't be buying ME4, I don't know. I know I will. If the reviews are good of course. If it's another shooting crap, then I won't.

i agree with most of this, or that it is subjective and I won't argue with it.

except pinning the quotes, false advertising by casey and co to a simple "mistake" or an oversight, considering what was said and what was delievered that it is not possible

[FlamingBoy]

Shepard108278 wrote...

I don't see it that way at all. IMO I got what I was promised, pre and post EC.

Not sure how you determined you got what you were promised, I think you were more satisfied with the game despite the statements, or that the statements did not factor in your decision in the purchase

thats great for you, but does not really factor in what was said would be in the game, and what wasn't

[Leem_0001]

It depends on many things, one of which is the true reason why ME3 goofed so bad. Sadly will we ever really know why? Was it something to do with EA, or purely down to the creative team involved. Either way, lessons need to be learned, but personally I don't see how a ME4 could work anyway. Probably better to move on.

If it has to be done then the overall story needs to be mapped and arc'd correctly. Everything needs vetting by the whole team and checked for consistency. And if the plan is to make choiecs matter, stick to that goal. if not, let people know that.

But I feel that the overall stroy arc took a downward spiral after ME1 - the main storlyine from ME2 was not great, but the game had so much going for it, and with ME3 there was a chance to make it matter more. This didn't happen. They really need to re-learn how to tell a good story - they have the character side of things down (well, in ME3 this faultered quite a bit, so maybe a little bit of relearning here too).

Time will tell. I certainly won't buy the game until I hear recommendations from people I know and trust.

[Sable Rhapsody]

There's a reason why I logged more hours on Multiplayer after the ME3 release than single player >< The gameplay, especially from ME2 on, is streamlined and fun. The story from ME3 on...well...let's keep things polite here.

So in short order, if it's a pure shooter, sure. If it's supposed to also be an RPG, probably not.