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[Stalker]

Casey created/directed the great universe in the first place. He just needs to recalibrate priorities.

Mac on the other hand is simply a bad writer who doesn't seem to really care about the Mass Effect lore. A very large part of what was wrong in the trilogy turns out to have been directed by him.


Though "trust" is very difficult, because I view everything with the BioWare label with suspicion now.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Everyone has their ups and downs, even Chris Nolan. I thought he was immune, then the dark knight rose

[McAllyster]

Casey Hudson is just like George Lucas.
Lucas created a great universe and deserves respect because of this. However Lucas is a very bad writer and very bad director.

Casey Hudson created a great universe and deserves respect. However he is a very bad writer.

Mac Walters is simply a bad writer.

So... ME4 should go without them. And in the first place ME4 should fix ME3's bad main plot and bad endings.

[Leem_0001]

I don't think Casey created the universe so to speak, I'm sure it was a joing effort with all the original creative staff. And I'm sure no one had a bigger role to play than Drew, the original lead writer. Casey may well be a fine producer, but in my opinion he should stick to that side of things and, whilst having an input in the creative process, not take charge of it.

[SimonTheFrog]

I find it hard to estimate the artistic impact Casey Hudson had on the project.

Sure, a producer is very important for the project to run smoothly, but so is the IT department, QA and everyone else. So, if his track record shows that he's been working on good titles doesn't necessarily mean he's responsible for the artistic vision and implementation. The high quality of the games could equally be despite of his involvement. As far as we know at least.

That said, i can't get over the fact that he and others lied the blue from sky about ME3 shortly before release. That is unacceptable. And as long as i'm not hearing an apology and sinsere promise to never let that happen again i'm not forgetting that. And neither should anyone else. For me as a customer this is the end of my interest in this company.

Which is sad because i liked some parts of the games a lot.

And MacWalters? I honestly think he's not a good writer. The comics are probably the only thing he wrote alone and they are incredibly shallow and boring on the story side. Again, it's hard to tell from the outside how talented he really is but from looking at some of the garrus parts, the overall arc of ME2 and especially the end of ME3 i don't see the work of genius. I see something that is far more shallow and childish in comparrison to the rest of the franchise. I think he is responsible for the turn from solid sci-fi to disney.... or marvel-esque story telling. Which is also something i won't forget. It was a very regrettable destruction of the high quality of story telling that ME promised to be at the beginning.

So, in short: no, I don't trust these two particular people to help making another ME game any good.

[Nicktendo]

I liked most of ME3 story, but they need to stop making important characters coming out of nowhere with little to no explanations as to where they are coming from if you didn't read books or comics or animes or anything. James and Kai Leng are some examples. ME3 starts with Shepard and James acting like good old buddies, and you're like "Whaaat? They never saw each other in ME1 & 2! Who the hell is this guy that looks like one of these stupid dudebros coming out of a reality show?".

And of course, there is the whole Catalyst thing at the end of the game which also came out of nowhere...

Modifié par Nicktendo, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .

[TurianFrigate]

In my opinion as long as they listen to the fans and not EA they can make it great but it would surely be better with Drew with them.

[Sarah_SR2]

I'd trust Casey with the next game yes. He came up with the idea for Mass Effect in the first place and invented what we have now. He then got the blessing of the doctors to bring this wonderful universe into being and is in effect, the Daddy of Mass Effect. A Mass Effect game without Casey would just not be right to me. What needs to happen is for EA to ensure that the guys have the proper amount of time to do the game in. ME3 was obviously rushed out to meet a deadline that was too tight and there are many telltale signs in the game that point to that IMO. If you rush a job then you can't give it the best you have to offer so I'd say that is vital for he next game. But despite the rush, it is still a really good game. As for Mac as lead writer I'd be happy for him to stay on because despite what many have said about ME3's story I actually enjoyed it all apart from P:Earth and the original ending. The real problem with ME3 is that they needed 6 months more than what they had...

[Leem_0001]

Are you sure he came up with the idea of Mass Effect? If so can you let us know where you got the info. As far as I know (and this comes from interviews with the original creative team) it was Casey who pushed for an original Sci-Fi IP - whatever that may be - after the Star Wars games. It was only then, after the creative team, including the doctors, got into discussions that the thing took shape. And A lot of credit for the forming of the universe has to go to the original writer.

[Ajensis]

Estelindis wrote...
(...)
I hope that, however many or few Bioware writers contributed to the ending, they do learn from this experience.  However, in all honesty, there have been few indicators in official statements that Bioware is willing to concede that the ending was ill-conceived.  (Yes, I know many people liked it, but in my opinion in was ill-conceived.  I think that since I am the one writing this anyone reading it can assume that every statement contains an implicit "in my opinion.")  Insisting on maintaining the "artistic integrity" of the ending has seemed to be much more important than actually learning from what happened.  (...)

I think it's safe to assume that all this ending debacle has had an impact on BioWare, but whether they will 'learn from this experience' is unclear. And there are many of us who agree with you in finding the ending ill-conceived. I think the magnitude of the outcry, coupled with the wide variety of literary analyses (we've even had a professor in literature join the forums simply because of it!), strongly suggest that indeed there was something very fundamental missing. Then there's all sorts of opinions on what this was, but in the end, I'm sure a number of people at BioWare to some degree must've taken a quiet moment and considered what caused all this.

And I was about to give my personal guess as to why we haven't seen any outward signs of this, but then you ended up writing

I think the best I can do is hope that this is just bravado, that Bioware basically can't come out and say "we messed up" because they think it would put them in a really bad position but that in truth they do see the problems that many people have explained that they've found with the endings and that they really will try better in future.

and now I don't need to but yeah, that's what I've been thinking as well. I like to be optimistic and think the best of people. Still, it's a shame there couldn't have been more communication between 'them' and 'us' (not that I'm entirely blaming BioWare for it, since we've had, and still have, a good share of loud people on this side of the fence) - something that could bridge the gap a little.

Ajensis wrote...

Maybe it's time we laid off the crucifixion of certain people we believe to be responsible. (...)

Well, personally, I've never started crucifying certain people, because, as I said earlier, I've never felt sufficiently secure in the knowledge that the ending came from Person X, Y, or Z that I could really let rip an indignant tirade focused at said people!  I do agree that it's important to remain focused on explaining our dissatisfaction with the ending in a clear, mature manner.  That said, I think many people have already done that many times, even though some others have lost the plot.  But, of course, it's important that we maintain maturity and thematic consistency to the end of our opposition to an ending that failed to do the same!

Oh, don't worry, the 2nd part of the post was a more general address to the thread as a whole, not at all aimed at you.

It's true, there's been a multitude of good threads with concise critique, and likely there's nothing new to add to it, but then again, the same is true (maybe even more true) for the people that have little constructive/well-thought out/articulate criticism to post.
Maybe the thoughtful debates are coming (have come?) to an end by now, and all that's left is knee-jerk reactions that make the ending-dislikers (I don't like to consider myself a hater ) look like we have few valid points. At any rate, the fact that new threads about the ending keep appearing this long after release just goes to show that the wound hasn't closed yet. I don't even know if I'll get Omega, despite having quite a bit of money at the moment - when I bought Leviathan, I just got sucked in all over again and then the ending hit me yet again. Sure, I could just not complete it, but that's not my style; I play to experience the story, all of it, and wouldn't want to abandon a playthrough simply after Omega was over. But the ending still leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth, so... *shrug*

Oups, seems I went off on a tangent there, sorry I swear I was on-topic for a moment... somewhere!

Edit:

Nicktendo wrote...

I liked most of ME3 story, but they need to stop making important characters coming out of nowhere with little to no explanations as to where they are coming from if you didn't read books or comics or animes or anything. James and Kai Leng are some examples. ME3 starts with Shepard and James acting like good old buddies, and you're like "Whaaat? They never saw each other in ME1 & 2! Who the hell is this guy that looks like one of these stupid dudebros coming out of a reality show?".

That didn't really bother me. It's just inferred knowledge (or whatever the appropriate term is), you see it in movies all the time. We can't know everything and everyone that Shepard knows

Modifié par Ajensis, 16 octobre 2012 - 04:43 .

[WNxPowder]

if you only care about endings to every 3rd game, if not then yes

[Hexley UK]

No.

[teamamerica2]

well it was good until the last 5 minutes and that etheral thing spoke

[Mixon]

to the thread question:
If Rebirth rumors are true, I will trust to Casey, forever.

[CrimsonNephilim]

There is a rumored Rebirth? o.o

[my Aim is True]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

There is a rumored Rebirth? o.o

Pastebin.  Sorry, don't have link handy.
Just a rumor, but Leviathan, Omega, and a bunch of MP DLC was correctly predicted in a similar fashion, so fingers crossed!

[Leem_0001]

Can I ask what the Rebirth is / about, and what the rumours are? Not something I'm familiar with.

[Mello]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

There is a rumored Rebirth? o.o

Link 

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:40 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Can I ask what the Rebirth is / about, and what the rumours are? Not something I'm familiar with.

^ what they said  lol

[Leem_0001]

Thanks for the link IPoohCupCakes - but can anyone explain what Rebirth actually is, I mean the idea behind it? Shepard reborn somehow??? Its just the first I've heard of it and I'm curious.

Also the Guardian, Citadel downloads etc.

Does anyone think its possible / right that in order to get the true ending you need all the DLC's etc???

[CrimsonNephilim]

 Found this, seems to have explanations to the DLCs. Not sure if they are real though.

[Leem_0001]

Thanks CrimsonNephilim - I just googled Rebirth and found the same thing

It was...very interesting, I have to say. If it is true then I don't know what to think. On the one hand this could (COULD, not WILL) wrap up the trilogy in a more satisfactory way (hell, it may even be good or great). On the other, making players pay for additional DLC to see the true end is pretty bad.

[jpraelster93]

o Ventus wrote...

No.

Simply put.

[The RequiemWolf]

I just looked at that Rebirth DLC description and you people have gotten my hopes up, though I believe it to be false, I would very much enjoy this to be true. if it were, I feel most of us would owe Bioware big time.

[Mjolinar]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

There is a rumored Rebirth? o.o

I posted this in an earlier thread, and somebody (don't remember who) tore into me because they said some BioWare official denied it.

I hope they're wrong. And then, when I get my Rebirth, I will trust Casey with ME4. Unwaveringly. Well, until they do the same thing with ME6. And the Cycle repeats.