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[MisterJB]

Nicodemus wrote...

A galactic war makes strange bed fellows. Aria has something that Shep wants, Aria knows that Shep will do anything to get it but she also knows that's she's royally screwed if Shep fails. To that end, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and who knows maybe something beneficial will come out of it for both sides.

Killing Aria out of hand for her crimes and ignoring the bigger picture is more in line with Samara and her Justicar code, not the Spectre code which has enough shades of grey to know when to pull the trigger and when to concede a point.

To that end, having Shep kill Aria is not going to be top of Shep's priority lists when he has the Reaper threat to deal with. That said, there is nothing to say there can't be a line saying something along the lines of "when this is all over you and I will most likely have a reckoning"

But then again we all know that won't happen.

The option to kill Aria would, of course, entail the option to help Oleg Petrovsky who, while not as influential as Aria with the different criminal groups of Omega, has an actual fleet and army to help fight the Reapers as well as extablish a foothold of civilization in the Terminus Systems.

[DWH1982]

Kill Aria? And replace her with who?

Omega is lawless, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Whoever comes after Aria won't be any better, and might even be worse. Patriarch could take over I guess, but seeing as how when we first meet him he's telling someone to "go after the family" of their enemy, I pretty much think he'd be the same as Aria.

As for Petrovsky, he'll probably still be linked to Cerberus, which will just make him a standard enemy. Even if he isn't, I don't see him as exactly the "warm and fuzzy" civil democracy type, which means, at best, Omega could look forward to a dictatorship where detention and torture are fairly common - in other words, not much of a step up.

I dislike Aria, but at least I know her, and I know I can work with her. Unless there's an extremely compelling alternative, I'd probably be inclined to stick with "the devil I know."

Modifié par DWH1982, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:19 .

[Xilizhra]

The option to kill Aria would, of course, entail the option to help Oleg Petrovsky who, while not as influential as Aria with the different criminal groups of Omega, has an actual fleet and army to help fight the Reapers as well as extablish a foothold of civilization in the Terminus Systems.

Human supremacist civilization, maybe. And that assumes Petrovsky isn't already indoctrinated, just like almost every other Cerberus member.

[DeathScepter]

MisterJB wrote...

Nicodemus wrote...

A galactic war makes strange bed fellows. Aria has something that Shep wants, Aria knows that Shep will do anything to get it but she also knows that's she's royally screwed if Shep fails. To that end, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and who knows maybe something beneficial will come out of it for both sides.

Killing Aria out of hand for her crimes and ignoring the bigger picture is more in line with Samara and her Justicar code, not the Spectre code which has enough shades of grey to know when to pull the trigger and when to concede a point.

To that end, having Shep kill Aria is not going to be top of Shep's priority lists when he has the Reaper threat to deal with. That said, there is nothing to say there can't be a line saying something along the lines of "when this is all over you and I will most likely have a reckoning"

But then again we all know that won't happen.

The option to kill Aria would, of course, entail the option to help Oleg Petrovsky who, while not as influential as Aria with the different criminal groups of Omega, has an actual fleet and army to help fight the Reapers as well as extablish a foothold of civilization in the Terminus Systems.

I would happily stabb Aria in the back to help Oleg Petrovsky.

[Haargel]

Also add an option to bang her while we're at it.

[Argolas]

RebelTitan428 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

RebelTitan428 wrote...

forget Aria, give me the option to blow of Omega.

why keep it if after the reapers are destroyed it will go back to drugs, murder, rape, slavery, extorsion etc?

ive said it once and ill say it again....WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF SAVING OMEGA?????

There are a lot of innocents there. The ones Samara refered to as those who "seek a better life" in ME2.

it only takes 2 seconds of being on Omega to know there is no better life there.
on top of that Samara has about as much flawed logic as the Catalyst, so i will kindly dismiss anything she says

They might have no choice. Do you think people live in slums today because they think it looks like there was a better life there?

You think everyone on Omega diserves to die or at least lose their home? Just do Samara´s loyalty mission, and you get to know Nef and her mother. Do you think people like these diserve that just because their home is ruled by criminals?

[Zardoc]

Bierwichtel wrote...

you want to kill Councillor Tevos' girlfriend?

shame on you...

but yeah, she is one of the worst criminals in the ME verse, actually...

I'd like to kill Tevos, too.

Argolas wrote...

RebelTitan428 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

RebelTitan428 wrote...

forget Aria, give me the option to blow of Omega.

why keep it if after the reapers are destroyed it will go back to drugs, murder, rape, slavery, extorsion etc?

ive said it once and ill say it again....WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT OF SAVING OMEGA?????

There are a lot of innocents there. The ones Samara refered to as those who "seek a better life" in ME2.

it only takes 2 seconds of being on Omega to know there is no better life there.
on top of that Samara has about as much flawed logic as the Catalyst, so i will kindly dismiss anything she says

They might have no choice. Do you think people live in slums today because they think it looks like there was a better life there?

You think everyone on Omega diserves to die or at least lose their home? Just do Samara´s loyalty mission, and you get to know Nef and her mother. Do you think people like these diserve that just because their home is ruled by criminals?

Moot point, since most of them are indoctrinated or dead by the time of ME3 anyway.

Modifié par Zardoc, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:34 .

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

Human supremacist civilization, maybe. And that assumes Petrovsky isn't already indoctrinated, just like almost every other Cerberus member.

Cerberus was never any more human supremacist than the STG is salarian supremacist. And, unlike many in Cerberus, Oleg Petrovsky hasn't shown a single anti-alien tendency. He could extablish a proper society in Omega, it could be the first step towards civilizing the Terminus Systems.

[Roivas_Alenko]

I just hope we'll not be forced to play with her like with Liara in Shadow Broker.

Be able to kill her seems a good option.

[Zardoc]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Human supremacist civilization, maybe. And that assumes Petrovsky isn't already indoctrinated, just like almost every other Cerberus member.

Cerberus was never any more human supremacist than the STG is salarian supremacist. And, unlike many in Cerberus, Oleg Petrovsky hasn't shown a single anti-alien tendency. He could extablish a proper society in Omega, it could be the first step towards civilizing the Terminus Systems.

Difference being that the STG is under the control of the salarian government and Cerberus is freelance. And has actually done much to hurt the people they allegedly try to help and advance.

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Human supremacist civilization, maybe. And that assumes Petrovsky isn't already indoctrinated, just like almost every other Cerberus member.

Cerberus was never any more human supremacist than the STG is salarian supremacist. And, unlike many in Cerberus, Oleg Petrovsky hasn't shown a single anti-alien tendency. He could extablish a proper society in Omega, it could be the first step towards civilizing the Terminus Systems.

Seriously unlikely. Someone who's still in Cerberus after what they've done so far is not, in my mind, trustworthy, especially for the task of running a society. I'd take his army, but I would no more let him run Omega than I'd let Balak do so.

[DWH1982]

Argolas wrote...

They might have no choice. Do you think people live in slums today because they think it looks like there was a better life there?

You think everyone on Omega diserves to die or at least lose their home? Just do Samara´s loyalty mission, and you get to know Nef and her mother. Do you think people like these diserve that just because their home is ruled by criminals?

You've completely failed to prove that there's anyone who can present a genuine alternative to this.

And, actually, I hate to say this, but - quite a few of the people who live on Omega do so because they don't want a government there. Yeah, there are people who are in a sucky situation, but a very large portion of Omega lives there because they're somehow involved in the underworld. Such individuals are not going to react very well to an attempt to make Omega more like Citadel space. They live on Omega because they don't want to be in Citadel Space.

[MisterJB]

DWH1982 wrote...
As for Petrovsky, he'll probably still be linked to Cerberus, which will just make him a standard enemy. Even if he isn't, I don't see him as exactly the "warm and fuzzy" civil democracy type, which means, at best, Omega could look forward to a dictatorship where detention and torture are fairly common - in other words, not much of a step up.

You can't expect Omega to be turned into a democracy in a single generation. I expect Oleg to mantain power by any means necessary. However, he shoed great care for the lives of civillians when he prohibited his troops from rigging Aria's club with explosives on the grounds that innocents lived nearby.
I don't expect democratic elections in Omega anytime soon but, with Petrovsky in charge, it could become a station free of lawlessness, turf wars, etc.

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...
As for Petrovsky, he'll probably still be linked to Cerberus, which will just make him a standard enemy. Even if he isn't, I don't see him as exactly the "warm and fuzzy" civil democracy type, which means, at best, Omega could look forward to a dictatorship where detention and torture are fairly common - in other words, not much of a step up.

You can't expect Omega to be turned into a democracy in a single generation. I expect Oleg to mantain power by any means necessary. However, he shoed great care for the lives of civillians when he prohibited his troops from rigging Aria's club with explosives on the grounds that innocents lived nearby.
I don't expect democratic elections in Omega anytime soon but, with Petrovsky in charge, it could become a station free of lawlessness, turf wars, etc.

That's pretty much the point of Omega. If Petrovsky tried something like that, he'd get basically every criminal organization who used Omega turned against him, and that's basically all of them. It'd be all-out war within a week, and I don't think he'd win.

[DWH1982]

MisterJB wrote...

You can't expect Omega to be turned into a democracy in a single generation. I expect Oleg to mantain power by any means necessary. However, he shoed great care for the lives of civillians when he prohibited his troops from rigging Aria's club with explosives on the grounds that innocents lived nearby.
I don't expect democratic elections in Omega anytime soon but, with Petrovsky in charge, it could become a station free of lawlessness, turf wars, etc.

I'm not sure I see any proof of that. Omega's something of a haven for people who really don't want a firm hand controlling things. I think Petrovsky would just end up as another leader of another faction engaged in endless turf wars.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Seriously unlikely. Someone who's still in Cerberus after what they've done so far is not, in my mind, trustworthy, especially for the task of running a society. I'd take his army, but I would no more let him run Omega than I'd let Balak do so.

Before ME3's 180 turn, Cerberus were the ones truly protecting humanity. I don't know how Petrovsky feels about what is happening in ME3 but he already showed signs of dissent in "Invasion".

Balak tried to direct an asteroid at a colony. Petrovsky forbid his soldiers from using explosives because it would hurt innocent civillians. They are completely different people.

[DWH1982]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Seriously unlikely. Someone who's still in Cerberus after what they've done so far is not, in my mind, trustworthy, especially for the task of running a society. I'd take his army, but I would no more let him run Omega than I'd let Balak do so.

Before ME3's 180 turn, Cerberus were the ones truly protecting humanity. I don't know how Petrovsky feels about what is happening in ME3 but he already showed signs of dissent in "Invasion".

Balak tried to direct an asteroid at a colony. Petrovsky forbid his soldiers from using explosives because it would hurt innocent civillians. They are completely different people.

Yes. Truely protecting humanity.

Like they did by kidnapping Jack and running experiments on her.

Like they did by killing Admiral Kohoku.

Like they did by exposing an entire colony in ME1 to Reaper tech, just so they could "see what happens."

Like they did by leading an entire unit on Akuze into a thresher maw, just so they could "see what happens."

Like they did by assassinating a member of the Alliance Parliament.

Like they did by rigging human elections.

Like they did by killing a Pope.

Yes. Protecting humanity by undermining humanity's free will, kidnapping human children, and killing other humans right and left.

[MisterJB]

DWH1982 wrote...
I'm not sure I see any proof of that. Omega's something of a haven for people who really don't want a firm hand controlling things. I think Petrovsky would just end up as another leader of another faction engaged in endless turf wars.

I don't know the situation in the new DLC but, in Invasion, Cerberus seized control of Omega and the only reason the gangs were able to put up any fight at all was because they were being led by Aria. Kill her and they will cannibalize each other while Petrovsky's troops can protect civillians and utterly destroy the gangs once they have weakened each other.

[Xilizhra]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Seriously unlikely. Someone who's still in Cerberus after what they've done so far is not, in my mind, trustworthy, especially for the task of running a society. I'd take his army, but I would no more let him run Omega than I'd let Balak do so.

Before ME3's 180 turn, Cerberus were the ones truly protecting humanity. I don't know how Petrovsky feels about what is happening in ME3 but he already showed signs of dissent in "Invasion".

Balak tried to direct an asteroid at a colony. Petrovsky forbid his soldiers from using explosives because it would hurt innocent civillians. They are completely different people.

Cerberus still thought it was protecting humanity in ME3, they were just willing to use extreme methods to do so.. as ever. You can blame indoctrination for some of the more blatant attacks, but the Sanctuary option is completely consistent with their previous MO. In fact, if Sanctuary was the first time that Cerberus became an actual enemy in-game, there'd be no issue with going OOC at all.

Anyway... I'll wait to render full judgment, but I'll never let Cerberus regain any kind of power, anywhere.

[DWH1982]

MisterJB wrote...

DWH1982 wrote...
I'm not sure I see any proof of that. Omega's something of a haven for people who really don't want a firm hand controlling things. I think Petrovsky would just end up as another leader of another faction engaged in endless turf wars.

I don't know the situation in the new DLC but, in Invasion, Cerberus seized control of Omega and the only reason the gangs were able to put up any fight at all was because they were being led by Aria. Kill her and they will cannibalize each other while Petrovsky's troops can protect civillians and utterly destroy the gangs once they have weakened each other.

The gangs will eventually find another leader.

Omega has never had a real government, because it's too convienent a location for criminal warlords to control. I'm really doubtful that Petrovsky could do something that no one else has ever been able to do, and set up a real government on Omega.

In any event, I also suspect it's going to be a moot point. I fully expect Petrovsky to be a "standard enemy" in the DLC. The kind of choices we're talking about here aren't common for DLC.

[MisterJB]

DWH1982 wrote...
Like they did by kidnapping Jack and running experiments on her.

If it unlocked the secret of true biotic power in humans, it was worth it.
Not to mention that wasn't Cerberus. That cell went rogue.

Like they did by killing Admiral Kohoku.

Kahoku would have exposed a Cerberus Cell that intended to produce expendable shock troops for high risks scenarios which could save the lives of thousands of human marines. He needed to be silenced. His death was a necessary sacrifice.

Like they did by exposing an entire colony in ME1 to Reaper tech, just so they could "see what happens."

You are speaking of "Colony of the Dead". The only evidence found points to a Cerberus agent buying samples. There is no evidence they did anything to the colony.

Like they did by leading an entire unit on Akuze into a thresher maw, just so they could "see what happens."

We don't know the reasons they did that so, I won't pass judgement.

Like they did by assassinating a member of the Alliance Parliament.

Like they did by rigging human elections.

Like they did by killing a Pope.

All of these actions eventually led towards the strengthening of the human position in the galaxy.

Yes. Protecting humanity by undermining humanity's free will, kidnapping human children, and killing other humans right and left.

It's an hostile galaxy. Sacrifices are necessary if humans are to survive and thrive.

[Xilizhra]

If it unlocked the secret of true biotic power in humans, it was worth it.
Not to mention that wasn't Cerberus. That cell went rogue.

They were hiding the burn rate, not the facility's existence. Certainly Cerberus authorized a massive infant kidnapping ring.

Kahoku would have exposed a Cerberus Cell that intended to produce expendable shock troops for high risks scenarios which could save the lives of thousands of human marines. He needed to be silenced. His death was a necessary sacrifice.

No it wasn't. Especially since the plan didn't even work.

It's an hostile galaxy. Sacrifices are necessary if humans are to survive and thrive.

Just as now, the sacrifice of Cerberus and probably Petrovsky.

[DWH1982]

The fact that you think that way is exactly why I never want to see anyone like Petrovsky running anything or gaining a foothold anywhere.

[KIERONOO]

I would only kill her if it was a paragon decision, I doubt it would be though so no dice

[DrGunjah]

yes please, I hate this ****.
unlikely I will a buy the omega dlc but I will enjoy watching her death on youtube.

Modifié par DrGunjah, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .