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[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
They were hiding the burn rate, not the facility's existence. Certainly Cerberus authorized a massive infant kidnapping ring.

True. Unfortunately, Alliance sponsored projects like the Grissom Academy just aren't willing to do what it takes.
Garrus makes it clear the turians wouldn't have discontinued the L2s simply because they are less safe than the L3s.

No it wasn't. Especially since the plan didn't even work.

The plan didn't work because Shepard got, stupidly, involved. There is nothing wrong with controlling husks and the like to use as expendable shock troops.

Just as now, the sacrifice of Cerberus and probably Petrovsky.

So long as organizations like the Blackwatch, the STG and the Spectres are destroyed too, I'm content.

[Xilizhra]

True. Unfortunately, Alliance sponsored projects like the Grissom Academy just aren't willing to do what it takes.
Garrus makes it clear the turians wouldn't have discontinued the L2s simply because they are less safe than the L3s.

Then the turians are morons in that regard who are far too willing to waste a rare resource. Disregarding the moral issues for a moment, as turian culture is very accepting of military casualties.

The plan didn't work because Shepard got, stupidly, involved. There is nothing wrong with controlling husks and the like to use as expendable shock troops.

Not inherently, but the organization as a whole was tainted.

So long as organizations like the Blackwatch, the STG and the Spectres are destroyed too, I'm content.

If the Alliance wants to start its own intelligence organization (and I'm fairly sure it has one; I can't see why it wouldn't), that's fine. My goal here is to take out the terrorists.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Then the turians are morons in that regard who are far too willing to waste a rare resource. Disregarding the moral issues for a moment, as turian culture is very accepting of military casualties.

Jack's biotics were well worth the other children's lives. Now, imagine the results could be replicated. Unfortunately, she escaped.

Not inherently, but the organization as a whole was tainted.

No, it wasn't.

If the Alliance wants to start its own intelligence organization (and I'm fairly sure it has one; I can't see why it wouldn't), that's fine. My goal here is to take out the terrorists.

Cerberus is no more or less of a terrorist group than the STG or the Spectres. An "attrocity" is such regardless of who ordered it. Admiral Hackett, TIM, Dalatrass.
I have no faith in the Alliance. They have proven time and again that they are either unable or unwilling to do whatever it takes.

[Mario69]

I play as paragoon and I will always choose Pertovsky over Aria. He seems to be a nice guy and a true leader. So please Bioware give us a chance to side with the general or at least give us an option where you can convince him to leave Cerberus and join our forces.

[Xilizhra]

Jack's biotics were well worth the other children's lives. Now, imagine the results could be replicated. Unfortunately, she escaped.

Hardly. The asari have biotics just as good, without such measures being necessary. Jack wasn't needed for the suicide mission.

No, it wasn't.

Sanctuary disagrees.

Cerberus is no more or less of a terrorist group than the STG or the
Spectres. An "attrocity" is such regardless of who ordered it. Admiral
Hackett, TIM, Dalatrass.
I have no faith in the Alliance. They have
proven time and again that they are either unable or unwilling to do
whatever it takes.

And I would call any of them out if possible if they were found to be responsible for their own death camps and pro-Reaper plots.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:23 .

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Hardly. The asari have biotics just as good, without such measures being necessary. Jack wasn't needed for the suicide mission.

The asari have the luck of all of them being born biotics.
And you're thinking too small. Jack is a human whose biotic capabilities match that of an asari matriarch. Now, picture an army of Jacks.

Sanctuary disagrees.

ME3 Cerberus was widely OOC.
And Sanctuary doesn't taint anything. One could easily argue that a fleet of Reapers is more than worth a few billions, let alone millions, of human and alien lives. And that is without taking into account the entire human race was at risk of being extinct.

And I would call any of them out if possible if they were found to be responsible for their own death camps and pro-Reaper plots.

Do you think those yahg were there out of their own volition? Or that the STG had peaceful uses for them?
I wonder how many humans were experimented on in Sur'Kesh.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Xilizhra]

The asari have the luck of all of them being born biotics.
And you're thinking too small. Jack is a human whose biotic capabilities match that of an asari matriarch. Now, picture an army of Jacks.

An army of crazed killers who can't stop fighting? That'll work well...

Do you think those yahg were there out of their own volition? Or that the STG had peaceful uses for them?
I wonder how many humans were experimented on in Sur'Kesh.

And I told the salarians to go to hell thereafter. They just didn't attack me, so I had no reason to kill them. Of course, now that the Reapers are mine, there may well be... words.

[Edolix]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

She's secretly a Spectre, but shhhhhhhh.

Cor! That would be one hell of a plot twist.

[General User]

Obviously having General Petrovsky defect and putting him in charge of Omega would be ideal. Unfortunately he's (currently) on the wrong side.

Aria might be a scumbag, but at least she's our scumbag. Only the thing is, Aria doesn't need Omega, she has the mercenary force Shepard put together for her to manage, and she can do that from the Citadel.

Putting the Alliance in command should be an option too.

Modifié par General User, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Kathleen321]

As long as I get a chance to get me some of that azure I don't really care what other options they give us.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
An army of crazed killers who can't stop fighting? That'll work well...

People don't react in the same manner and the experiments that increased her biotic powers can be refined over time to involve less pain,

And I told the salarians to go to hell thereafter. They just didn't attack me, so I had no reason to kill them. Of course, now that the Reapers are mine, there may well be... words.

So, Cerberus are terrorists who must be destroyed but the STG or the Spectres can be left alone? Despite the fact Cerberus never did anything those other groups didn't do many times over.

[Wulfram]

MisterJB wrote...

The asari have the luck of all of them being born biotics.
And you're thinking too small. Jack is a human whose biotic capabilities match that of an asari matriarch. Now, picture an army of Jacks.

How much good did an army of advanced Biotics do Thessia?

Biotics sort of nifty for special forces, but really kind of irrelevent in the grand scheme of things.  Spend the resources on warships, it's the control of space which wins wars - and Dreadnoughts aren't powered by dead children..

[Barquiel]

If you go by that logic, then you would have been forced to arrest/kill 50% of the ME2 squad.

We know Aria is on our side and she is willing to help Shepard (The way I see it; if you don't defeat the Reapers, we're all dead. It's in my interest to help you...she seems more intelligent than most of the other leaders in the ME universe), killing her would be stupid. Yes, she is a crime lord. But what we have here is the Taliban or the SS...versus the Italian Mob. I prefer Aria ruling Omega (...if we have to choose). And apart from that, the council races would never allow Cerberus to keep the base after the war.

Modifié par Barquiel, 14 octobre 2012 - 03:43 .

[Xilizhra]

People don't react in the same manner and the experiments that increased her biotic powers can be refined over time to involve less pain,

What, when they involve inducing Pavlovian reactions to inflicting pain? How will that help the refusal to leave combat?

So, Cerberus are terrorists who must be destroyed but the STG or the Spectres can be left alone? Despite the fact Cerberus never did anything those other groups didn't do many times over.

Destroying the other two would be less convenient than reforming them. Cerberus, being unaffiliated, has no legitimate claim to existence. Again, this sort of thing is the Alliance's responsibility; if the Alliance is deemed to be an insufficient defender of humanity, the people should say so. Not a lone megalomaniac.

[MisterJB]

Wulfram wrote...
How much good did an army of advanced Biotics do Thessia?

Biotics sort of nifty for special forces, but really kind of irrelevent in the grand scheme of things.  Spend the resources on warships, it's the control of space which wins wars - and Dreadnoughts aren't powered by dead children..

Against the ground troops of the Reapers? A lot of good.

Cerberus has other divisions that deal with advanced technology such as the cells that influenced the creation of the Normandy. I don't see why they couldn't also research biotics.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Destroying the other two would be less convenient than reforming them. Cerberus, being unaffiliated, has no legitimate claim to existence. Again, this sort of thing is the Alliance's responsibility; if the Alliance is deemed to be an insufficient defender of humanity, the people should say so. Not a lone megalomaniac.

The fact that the Alliance is too concerned with public opinion, both human and alien, is one of the reasons it doesn't have the freedom to act in the manner Cerberus can.
But that is already stepping on my dislike of Democracy which would be widly off topic. Suffice to say, I place a lot more trust in someone like TIM than in humanity in general.

[MisterJB]

Barquiel wrote...

If you go by that logic, then you would have been forced to arrest/kill 50% of the ME2 squad.

We know Aria is on our side and she is willing to help Shepard (The way I see it; if you don't defeat the Reapers, we're all dead. It's in my interest to help you...she seems more intelligent than most of the other leaders in the ME universe), killing her would be stupid. Yes, she is a crime lord. But what we have here is the Taliban or the SS...versus the Italian Mob. I prefer Aria ruling Omega (...if we have to choose).

If you don't mind, I'll just redirect you towards my posts in the second page as to why I believe Petrovsky could extablish a proper civilization on Omega. Just so I don't need to repeat myself.

And apart from that, the council races would never allow Cerberus to keep the base after the war.

It is in the best interest of all Council races to establish a strong foothold in the Terminus System, It is even more in the best interests of the Alliance to protect this new human lead state.
Even if Petrovsky and his troops were removed from the station; which I found doutful considering the losses the major powers will suffer against the Reapers; it would still fall under the juridisction of a Council race which is a major improvement over Crime Lords like Aria or Patriarch.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:11 .

[CYRAX470]

This is my kind of thread! I've wanted to kill Aria since my first interaction with her. Considering my Shepard is one for HARD justice, he froths at the mouth waiting to kill her. Needless to say, if the option is in there, I will kill her, with no remorse, no regret, no mercy.

[Falaxe]

Aria: "Hah, **** you Illusive Man, Aria is back in charge of Omega, ****!"
Shepard: "Glad to see you`re satisfied Aria, can I now have those mercs you promised?"
Aria: "Hah, go get me a drink first..."
*15mints late Shepard comes back with drinks*
Shepard: "Do you mind if I invited few friends to VIP Lounge?"
Aria: "Like who?"
*Wrex and Garrus walk in*

>Insert brutal rape/execution scene here<

Modifié par Falaxe, 14 octobre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Xilizhra]

The fact that the Alliance is too concerned with public opinion, both human and alien, is one of the reasons it doesn't have the freedom to act in the manner Cerberus can.
But that is already stepping on my dislike of Democracy which would be widly off topic. Suffice to say, I place a lot more trust in someone like TIM than in humanity in general.

And I don't care about humanity, at least not moreso than I do the rest of the galaxy. My role as a Spectre is incompatible with that, at least in my belief of what my duty entails. And as the Catalyst, rest assured that I'll act with equality.

[dreman9999]

Op...No. Blind justice is just stupid. Plus she is the only order on omega. Omega would be worse with out her.

[dreman9999]

General User wrote...

Obviously having General Petrovsky defect and putting him in charge of Omega would be ideal. Unfortunately he's (currently) on the wrong side.

Aria might be a scumbag, but at least she's our scumbag. Only the thing is, Aria doesn't need Omega, she has the mercenary force Shepard put together for her to manage, and she can do that from the Citadel.

Putting the Alliance in command should be an option too.

You think the alliance...As thinned out as it is in this war...WANTS TO HOLD OMEGA?

[Fixers0]

 Agreed

seems like a perfect job for FADM. S. Hackett to take command of omega.  

Modifié par Fixers0, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:26 .