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[Xilizhra]

It's explicitly stated in-game during the Thessia mission that asari superioirity is derived from them having Prothean technology that the other races did not.

In-character, not in a codex entry. I assume that the others forgot that the beacons are incomprehensible without the Cipher.

And the asari forces gained after the coup are minimal (just like the salarians). Most asari War Assets are gained through scanning already Reaper-conquered areas.

Quite a bit larger than the salarian ones, actually. The asari do gain a bunch of assets through scanning, but, well, so what? So does the Alliance, and in fact almost everyone except the krogan, quarians and geth. Additionally, the asari wind up having larger assets than both the quarians and turians.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Xilizhra]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Additionally, the asari wind up having larger assets than both the quarians and turians.

The asari do not have over 800 War Assets, even if you save the Destiny Ascension (which I didn't).

In my last count, the quarians had 575 and the turians 643. The Alliance, krogan and geth are larger contributors than the asari, but those are the only ones (at least in my playthrough).

Anyway, that wasn't really the point anyway. The point was that the
asari clearly aren't necessary to get most of the major races to
successfully work together.

A. the asari are one of the major races (the most major of the Council races), and B. It doesn't really matter; they deserve to be saved along with everyone else.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[Xilizhra]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Additionally, the asari wind up having larger assets than both the quarians and turians.

The asari do not have over 800 War Assets, even if you save the Destiny Ascension (which I didn't).

In my last count, the quarians had 575 and the turians 643. The Alliance, krogan and geth are larger contributors than the asari, but those are the only ones (at least in my playthrough).

By my count, the quarians have 825.

Civilian Fleet 250
Heavy Fleet 275
Patrol Fleet 250
Xen 25
Koris 25

Ah, so you killed off the heretics, I assume.

[Xilizhra]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ah, so you killed off the heretics, I assume.

Of course.

I rewrote them, so perhaps it's only in my playthrough that the asari outstrip the quarians.

[shit's fucked cunts]

Xilizhra wrote...

I rewrote them, so perhaps it's only in my playthrough that the asari outstrip the quarians.

Well duh. Have you ever seen a quarian stripper?

It really doesn't work that well.

[jtav]

The asari are representative of everything that is wrong with the old order. Keeping power by making rules that encourage the other races to stagnate (and most of those races had no political say), not following the rules themselves, and becoming decadent and lazy. They deserve to lose their power and influence.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

If I can destabilize the asari government at the same time, all the better.

So I was right, you are pro-human-supremacist. I'm hardly surprised.

I'm a human. I want humans to be the first among equals. All the other races wants the same.

[majormajormmajor]

MisterJB wrote...

Backing the sh*ttiest and most unoriginal species in the game

HFYers are a fooking joke.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's explicitly stated in-game during the Thessia mission that asari superioirity is derived from them having Prothean technology that the other races did not.

In-character, not in a codex entry. I assume that the others forgot that the beacons are incomprehensible without the Cipher.

Now you're just in denial because the asari are your favorite race.

[hukbum]

MisterJB wrote...

I want humans to be the first among equals.

You want to be more equal? What? Equalier? So you can look down on them and say "Ha! I'm more equal!"

[Xilizhra]

The asari are representative of everything that is wrong with the old order. Keeping power by making rules that encourage the other races to stagnate (and most of those races had no political say), not following the rules themselves, and becoming decadent and lazy. They deserve to lose their power and influence.

No they don't. And again, it was actually impossible for them to gain any knowledge from the beacon. And they've hardly forced anyone into stagnation; salarians and humans may be at the forefront of scientific advancement, but progress is still ongoing, even if a bunch of other matriarchs were skeptical of building new mass relays.

I'm a human. I want humans to be the first among equals. All the other races wants the same.

Actually, at the moment, you're a bunch of mystically spread particles. And I'm no longer an organic being, hence being exempt from your weird genetically determined loyalty notion.

Now you're just in denial because the asari are your favorite race.

Less so than you supporting an absolute impossibility as being true, somehow.

[DeinonSlayer]

jtav wrote...

The asari are representative of everything that is wrong with the old order. Keeping power by making rules that encourage the other races to stagnate (and most of those races had no political say), not following the rules themselves, and becoming decadent and lazy. They deserve to lose their power and influence.

Pretty much. Oh why oh why must we apologize to Councilor Tevos?

[Zardoc]

ioannisdenton wrote...

and second: Paragon shepard does not kill.
Renegade shepard who actually murders wuould help Aria beacause actually he will gain something. Renegade shepard is not an idiot. He is a pragmatist.

And that, my friend, is bullsh*t.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Actually, at the moment, you're a bunch of mystically spread particles.

I'm not Shepard.

And I'm no longer an organic being, hence being exempt from your weird genetically determined loyalty notion.

Sentient beings siding with those most similar to themselves? What is the world coming to?

Less so than you supporting an absolute impossibility as being true, somehow.

Almost every Council race became so because they discovered a way to adapt prothean technology. There are laws that forbid hoarding prothean technology. So, obviously, you don't need the Cypher to extract knowledge from Beacons. The game makes it obvious, again and again, that the asari were hiding that Beacon and extracting knowledge from it in order to have an edge over the other races.
You just can't accept it because you're unwilling to see the asari as anything less than perfect.

[Xilizhra]

Almost every Council race became so because they discovered a way to adapt prothean technology. There are laws that forbid hoarding prothean technology. So, obviously, you don't need the Cypher to extract knowledge from Beacons. The game makes it obvious, again and again, that the asari were hiding that Beacon and extracting knowledge from it in order to have an edge over the other races.
You just can't accept it because you're unwilling to see the asari as anything less than perfect.

Beacons aren't the only means of storing Prothean technology; humans found a "small data cache" that seems to have been stored on a different format. However, Shepard can only understand this beacon through the Cipher, one of the reasons the asari councilor asks Shepard to take a look at the thing. And, we notice, Tevos doesn't know what's on the beacon, despite her actually knowing about it. And since the hugely important thing on the beacon, Vendetta, was not known to the asari at all, and since these beacons have only ever been used as anti-Reaper warnings that we've seen so far, I believe it's safe to conclude that the asari were never able to read it.

Sentient beings siding with those most similar to themselves? What is the world coming to?

Ah yes, because no one could ever just not really care, or even develop a fondness more for the way one other culture/race works than their own. Especially when that race tends to bond a lot with other species.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2012 - 02:44 .

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

jtav wrote...

The asari are representative of everything that is wrong with the old order. Keeping power by making rules that encourage the other races to stagnate (and most of those races had no political say), not following the rules themselves, and becoming decadent and lazy. They deserve to lose their power and influence.

Pretty much. Oh why oh why must we apologize to Councilor Tevos?

. BECAUSE WE ALL MUST LOVE THE ASARI!!!!!!!!!  SUPARMAC HAS SPOKEN

[majormajormmajor]

MisterJB wrote...
Now you're just in denial because the asari are your favorite race.

And you like the taste of Mac Walters' dong. How does that make you different?

I'll take the silly-arse blue bints over human ****** anyday. If I wanted to see it done right and realistically I'd play Halo, rather than the handwavium of how we go to being king sh*t of the galaxy in the span of two years.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
Beacons aren't the only means of storing Prothean technology; humans found a "small data cache" that seems to have been stored on a different format. However, Shepard can only understand this beacon through the Cipher, one of the reasons the asari councilor asks Shepard to take a look at the thing. And, we notice, Tevos doesn't know what's on the beacon, despite her actually knowing about it. And since the hugely important thing on the beacon, Vendetta, was not known to the asari at all, and since these beacons have only ever been used as anti-Reaper warnings that we've seen so far, I believe it's safe to conclude that the asari were never able to read it.

The Beacon on Mars is structurally similar to the ones found on Eden Prime and Thessia as well as Javik's Memory Shard; that, coupled with the Watcher's claims that Beacons were the main source of comunication in the empire(so, obviously, they can be used for things other than warnings about the Reapers), highly suggests the protheans used this singular form of data storage. The fact that the warnings against the Reapers can only be fully understood by those with the Cypher, doesn't mean it is impossible to acquire other type of information through different means. Which the asari, humans, batarians all did. The squadmates are just a way for the game to make it clear to the player what the asari were doing.
Tevos is unwilling to speak openly to Shepard. She obviously knew it was a Prothean Beacon but she still choses to refer to it as "artifact" so, her word is not reliable.

Ah yes, because no one could ever just not really care, or even develop a fondness more for the way one other culture/race works than their own. Especially when that race tends to bond a lot with other species.

I didn't say that. What I am opposing is your assumption that there is something wrong or abnormal with prefering one's own culture/race over others.

[hukbum]

MisterJB wrote...

What I am opposing is your assumption that there is something wrong or abnormal with prefering one's own culture/race over others.

Oh? So The Hilter Man was right after all?

[MisterJB]

hukbum wrote...
Oh? So The Hilter Man was right after all?

Because prefering your own people over others somehow equals hating everyone else, wishing them dead? Don't be ridiculous.

[majormajormmajor]

MisterJB wrote...
I didn't say that. What I am opposing is your assumption that there is something wrong or abnormal with prefering one's own culture/race over others.

Get a load of this c*nt

Certainly it all comes down to biological programming. Doesn't stop it from being irrational. Congratulations, you've yet to go past being a cro-magnon.