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[Samtheman63]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

how about a quote from the producer?

Which is an opinion, because it was on twitter not an official press release made on behalf of EA/ware

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

[wantedman dan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

Do you take the Bible literally, too?

[arial]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

how about a quote from the producer?

Which is an opinion, because it was on twitter not an official press release made on behalf of EA/ware

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

and those who do not accept this simply prove that people on these forums seem to completely disregaurd logic and call you a troll when it goes against what they wish.

[Samtheman63]

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

Do you take the Bible literally, too?

no.

when a person creates something and then tells you what it is, do you assume they are lying?

[wantedman dan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

no.

when a person creates something and then tells you what it is, do you assume they are lying?

Oh, so a double standard, then. You cannot have a double standard here, because art forms will ALWAYS have more than one interpretation.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

Do you take the Bible literally, too?

Well obviously if someone said something in text it must be 100% true and anyone who disagrees is "disregaurd"ing logic.

[Samtheman63]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

Do you take the Bible literally, too?

Well obviously if someone said something in text it must be 100% true and anyone who disagrees is "disregaurd"ing logic.

that is an abolsutly bull**** analogy

unless the author of the bible is alive and well, and can confirm that what he/they wrote is all true

[Samtheman63]

arial wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

how about a quote from the producer?

Which is an opinion, because it was on twitter not an official press release made on behalf of EA/ware

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

and those who do not accept this simply prove that people on these forums seem to completely disregaurd logic and call you a troll when it goes against what they wish.

its almost funny, but such a shame at the same time

im done now, borderlands 2 time

[wantedman dan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

that is an abolsutly bull**** analogy

How so? The Bible is, after all, the work and words of God.

[arial]

Samtheman63 wrote...

arial wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

how about a quote from the producer?

Which is an opinion, because it was on twitter not an official press release made on behalf of EA/ware

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

and those who do not accept this simply prove that people on these forums seem to completely disregaurd logic and call you a troll when it goes against what they wish.

its almost funny, but such a shame at the same time

im done now, borderlands 2 time

Yeah, im done argueing, Off to the pub for a few drinks and a round of pool!

[Samtheman63]

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

that is an abolsutly bull**** analogy

How so? The Bible is, after all, the work and words of God.

read the rest of the post

ME is a fictional video game and the creator is alive and well

[wantedman dan]

Samtheman63 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

that is an abolsutly bull**** analogy

How so? The Bible is, after all, the work and words of God.

read the rest of the post

ME is a fictional video game and the creator is alive and well

The Bible is a tale of lore and the creator, stemming from the belief of biblical literalism, is alive and well.

[Vicious]

 The game tells you conventional victory is impossible. Even without the obvious when it TELLS YOU, there are plenty of reasons.



1) Admiral Hackett flat out says it.

2) You are beaten over the head and shoulders of how badly you are getting your ass kicked.
 
3) They took the Citadel. 

4) You get emails talking about how the Galactic economy cannot stand the strain and will completely crash WITHIN A YEAR.


The truth is that the galaxy was completely unprepared. They had no chance.

[RogueBot]

arial wrote...


Reason conventional victory is impossible is simple, Bioware says so.

Yep, it's the same way with any fictional universe. Case in point: Star Wars. If George Lucas says Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat, then Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat.

It might not make us happy, but there you go. Sometimes art is bad.

Modifié par RogueBot, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:42 .

[wantedman dan]

“All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you.”

― Joss Whedon

[Ticonderoga117]

RogueBot wrote...

arial wrote...


Reason conventional victory is impossible is simple, Bioware says so.

Yep, it's the same way with any fictional universe. Case in point: Star Wars. If George Lucas says Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat, then Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat.

It might not make us happy, but there you go. Sometimes art is bad.

It's one thing to say so, it's completely another to actually sell it and make it good.
Especially when things from before say otherwise.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Samtheman63 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

casey hudson is the prodcuer of mass effect, when he says something in mass effect is meant to imply something, its a fact

Do you take the Bible literally, too?

Well obviously if someone said something in text it must be 100% true and anyone who disagrees is "disregaurd"ing logic.

that is an abolsutly bull**** analogy

unless the author of the bible is alive and well, and can confirm that what he/they wrote is all true

The bible is abunch of made up stuff that never happened but also it doesnt take place within a fictional universe.  Its real life fanfiction.

Mass Effect is a story and isnt real.  The author is the one who determines events within a story.  If the creators of the venture bros write dr venture having daddy issues then thats the reality of THAT world.  Thats just how stories work.


Conventional victory isnt possible because of established facts about the reapers from previous entries in the story.  They're huge and bigger than big.  Thier kinectic barriers have been impregnable until shut down BOTH times one has been encountered.  The Collector Ship isnt a reaper its much smaller and less powerful, but still more powerful than an average war class ship.

"Oh but i got the quarians AND the geth to team up so that means i should win."  Yeah because a single race has ever been close to defeating the reapers, so multiple races just mean that you instantly win.  (oh wait, number of people and ships dont matter because most of those ships are useless as anything but a meatshield anyways)


"Oh but the ending of mass effect 2 was cool so the ending of mass effect 3 should be DOUBLE COOLER THAN THAT.  therefor conventional victory is possible for the reason that i really think it would be cool."  (Reapers are bigger than big.  theres a point where the dps falloff becomes insignificant even at excessively large numbers)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:53 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

wantedman dan wrote...

“All worthy work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -- it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you.”

― Joss Whedon

"therefor conventional victory is possible, because its MY pet kid not yours!!!!"


Lets all talk about how back to the future makes no sense because there is no way marty would keep running into his family and biff's ancestors in all 3 films.  Lets talk about how the ending of 28 days later shoulda been different because "they shoulda just shot all the zombies.  i mean its not that hard just look at left 4 dead and dead rising.  I dont see what the problem is.  heroes are always insanely powerful and invincible and able to do anything.  Good guys ALWAYS win, duh."

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:57 .

[RogueBot]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

arial wrote...


Reason conventional victory is impossible is simple, Bioware says so.

Yep, it's the same way with any fictional universe. Case in point: Star Wars. If George Lucas says Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat, then Darth Vader used to be a whiny brat.

It might not make us happy, but there you go. Sometimes art is bad.

It's one thing to say so, it's completely another to actually sell it and make it good.
Especially when things from before say otherwise.

Yep, like I said, sometimes art is bad.

I bet 5 years from now, people will still be debating whether conventional victory in ME3 was possible, despite the fact that Bioware's obviously moved on and the ending's about as profound as an episode of Family Guy.

Modifié par RogueBot, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:58 .

[Eterna]

Using simple math it's possible to Roughly tell how many Capital ships there are. The Leviathans began the Cycle 1 billion years ago. At the end of Each cycle a Reaper capital ship is made. Each cycle lasts around fifty thousand years.

Therefore if my math is correct there are 20000 Reaper Capital ships. This is not including Destroyers. You cannot win against those numbers especially when their technology surpasses yours.

Modifié par Eterna5, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:07 .

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

Conventional victory isnt possible because of established facts about the reapers from previous entries in the story. 

Nope, given the way things were set up, the Catalyst could easily have been a weapon designed to tip the balance of a conventional fight against the Reapers. Kind of the point of the Catalyst right?

it IS a weapon designed to end the war.    
its a big fat bomb

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:28 .

[moater boat]

Eterna5 wrote...

Using simple math it's possible to Roughly tell how many Capital ships there are. The Leviathans began the Cycle 1 billion years ago. At the end of Each cycle a Reaper capital ship is made. Each cycle lasts around fifty thousand years.

Therefore if my math is correct there are 20000 Reaper Capital ships. This is not including Destroyers. You cannot win against those numbers especially when their technology surpasses yours.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to assume that this calculation is correct. You are making far too many assumptions with far too little data. What we DO know is that it took a couple centuries for the Reapers to beat the Protheans. And that was when they had control of the citadel. With that in mind there is no logical reason to assume that the Reaper fleet numbers in the tens of thousands of capital ships.