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Adding them is fine. Adding them as armored husks on speed in a faction that favours tactics is dumb. But you can't see it. 

Their rate of speed really just looks comical.  The husk comparison is pretty funny.


And you end up fighting more Dragoons than anythng else on Cerberus because they close in, die, respawn and close in again faster than anything else on Cerberus including Phantoms. Seriously I kill 6 Dragoons before that Centurion even gets to me. 

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Why? Because Dragoons run like Usain Bolt and spam smash without recharge speed, and they come everytime in groups of 3-4 units at least. If you think they are too easy, play platinum, nobody forces you to play gold.

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If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.

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Dragoons are there to smother people...and they do a pretty good job of doing it. I really don't want anymore people being put off in playing this game.

And the Reapers are pretty much at the sweet spot. Just the familiarity is what makes them seem the easiest now.

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Dragoons are stupid, just like this topic. Their general design is just dumb.


why is it stupid? its an upclose smash guard character? we have ex ceberus that were never part of ceberus. why not add them as an enemy?


They sprint around the map in packs like usain bolt and spam smash, they never take cover and generally act completely retarded. They also make soloing activation objectives pretty much impossible on half the maps .Whoever designed them should get a slap.


so they should get slapped becuase it added a little difficulty to soloing?


You're a good player, but a crappy designer. And you can't see that devs shove poorly designed enemies at your face. 

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The Dragoons should have been armed with Eviscerators or Harriers, and Homing Grenade as the primary offensive skill. Real shock trooper-ish.

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llandwynwyn wrote...

If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.


why the personal attacks for giving my opinion. plenty of people give their opinions on teh forums on a daily basis. just cause you might nto agree doens't mean i can't voice my opinion w/o the personal attacks

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Air Quotes wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Dragoons are stupid, just like this topic. Their general design is just dumb.


why is it stupid? its an upclose smash guard character? we have ex ceberus that were never part of ceberus. why not add them as an enemy?


They sprint around the map in packs like usain bolt and spam smash, they never take cover and generally act completely retarded. They also make soloing activation objectives pretty much impossible on half the maps .Whoever designed them should get a slap.


so they should get slapped becuase it added a little difficulty to soloing?


You're a good player, but a crappy designer. And you can't see that devs shove poorly designed enemies at your face. 


if thats your opinion tahts fine, but its not mine. Poeple complain becuase now ceberus has a unit to pull you out of cover?

how tactical is it for ceberus to funnel into 1 area where they can get grabbed by player behind a counter. if they were really tactical they would go around the back and the forn at teh same time. your tactical theory doens't make sense becuase its limited by the AI

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Disagree. Dragoons don't need a buff... especially if there are more than two in play. This more of that run-and-gun BS masked as balance change. I play all the difficulty levels and I'm surprised people haven't quit playing with some of the changes made. If vets want a tougher challenge the press BW to make "platinum only" changes OR better yet make a "player only" setting that nerfs your skills/damage. As one vet to another, you have to remember that not ALL people play the same way, have the same skill or have a full manifest. What might be easy for you is a really tough time for others.

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spurkis wrote...

The Dragoons should have been armed with Eviscerators or Harriers


NO.


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F**KING TRYHARDS!!!!!

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NO TOTAL NO!!!

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upinya slayin wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.


why the personal attacks for giving my opinion. plenty of people give their opinions on teh forums on a daily basis. just cause you might nto agree doens't mean i can't voice my opinion w/o the personal attacks


Sorry, but how is what I said a personal attack?

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upinya slayin wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.


why the personal attacks for giving my opinion. plenty of people give their opinions on teh forums on a daily basis. just cause you might nto agree doens't mean i can't voice my opinion w/o the personal attacks


Well you're not the first person to get flamed for posting dumb opinons either, deal with it. No one likes stupid hipster topics, see the reegar is an abomination topic for evidence.

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Shadohz wrote...

Disagree. Dragoons don't need a buff... especially if there are more than two in play. This more of that run-and-gun BS masked as balance change. I play all the difficulty levels and I'm surprised people haven't quit playing with some of the changes made. If vets want a tougher challenge the press BW to make "platinum only" changes OR better yet make a "player only" setting that nerfs your skills/damage. As one vet to another, you have to remember that not ALL people play the same way, have the same skill or have a full manifest. What might be easy for you is a really tough time for others.


^^^^THIS^^^^

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Faster brutes, marauders as fast as Dragoons and husks slightly faster.

You're welcome.


*cough*

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Making enemies harder makes it more difficult for newer players, or older players with weak manifests.
I'd instead say bring the other factions to the reaper difficulty level, and if necessary buff Reapers in Gold/Plat.

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Shadohz wrote...

Disagree. Dragoons don't need a buff... especially if there are more than two in play. This more of that run-and-gun BS masked as balance change. I play all the difficulty levels and I'm surprised people haven't quit playing with some of the changes made. If vets want a tougher challenge the press BW to make "platinum only" changes OR better yet make a "player only" setting that nerfs your skills/damage. As one vet to another, you have to remember that not ALL people play the same way, have the same skill or have a full manifest. What might be easy for you is a really tough time for others.


Its not inteneded to make the game harder for some people. its a balance. as in all the factions should be relativelty close in difficulty.

collectors are brutal
geth are a fake hard aka cheap
reapers are now the easiest and once people realize it then they will be the most played faction and BW will buff them anyway
Ceberus is a nice balance but they were nerfed with dragoons takaing phatoms spots in the spawn budget. They should get buffed since they are way easier then phantoms IMO

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llandwynwyn wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

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If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.


why the personal attacks for giving my opinion. plenty of people give their opinions on teh forums on a daily basis. just cause you might nto agree doens't mean i can't voice my opinion w/o the personal attacks


Sorry, but how is what I said a personal attack?



yours really isn't but saying to quit the game or stop playing bronze is an easy response. Maybe i really like the game. why else would i have over 600 hours in it? 

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upinya slayin wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Dragoons are stupid, just like this topic. Their general design is just dumb.


why is it stupid? its an upclose smash guard character? we have ex ceberus that were never part of ceberus. why not add them as an enemy?


Adding them is fine. Adding them as armored husks on speed in a faction that favours tactics is dumb. But you can't see it. 


so its dumb to add a character that makes you move out of the 1 spot you've been sitting in for 3 waves?

people take "lore" to seriouslly in MP games


They're "dumb" because they are quite literally that, dumb. They do nothing but spam staggerlock and move around as fast (if not faster) than a Hunter, while being armoured and stomping you. They don't mesh with Cerberus. They need a style change not a buff.

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A Wild Snorlax wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

If you think the game is too easy and it's boring you even on Plat, perhaps is time for you to play another game.


why the personal attacks for giving my opinion. plenty of people give their opinions on teh forums on a daily basis. just cause you might nto agree doens't mean i can't voice my opinion w/o the personal attacks


Well you're not the first person to get flamed for posting dumb opinons either, deal with it. No one likes stupid hipster topics, see the reegar is an abomination topic for evidence.


why is it dumb? i've yet to see an actual reason on why

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upinya slayin wrote...

Shadohz wrote...

Disagree. Dragoons don't need a buff... especially if there are more than two in play. This more of that run-and-gun BS masked as balance change. I play all the difficulty levels and I'm surprised people haven't quit playing with some of the changes made. If vets want a tougher challenge the press BW to make "platinum only" changes OR better yet make a "player only" setting that nerfs your skills/damage. As one vet to another, you have to remember that not ALL people play the same way, have the same skill or have a full manifest. What might be easy for you is a really tough time for others.


Its not inteneded to make the game harder for some people. its a balance. as in all the factions should be relativelty close in difficulty.

collectors are brutal
geth are a fake hard aka cheap
reapers are now the easiest and once people realize it then they will be the most played faction and BW will buff them anyway
Ceberus is a nice balance but they were nerfed with dragoons takaing phatoms spots in the spawn budget. They should get buffed since they are way easier then phantoms IMO


So the fix is to balance the collectors, and geth down to cerb status not the reverse.
Who the hell gave you your license to use the internet, someone needs to revoke it.

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I'm just gonna say No and leave this thread.

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Kenadian wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Dragoons are stupid, just like this topic. Their general design is just dumb.


why is it stupid? its an upclose smash guard character? we have ex ceberus that were never part of ceberus. why not add them as an enemy?


Adding them is fine. Adding them as armored husks on speed in a faction that favours tactics is dumb. But you can't see it. 


so its dumb to add a character that makes you move out of the 1 spot you've been sitting in for 3 waves?

people take "lore" to seriouslly in MP games


They're "dumb" because they are quite literally that, dumb. They do nothing but spam staggerlock and move around as fast (if not faster) than a Hunter, while being armoured and stomping you. They don't mesh with Cerberus. They need a style change not a buff.


i get it they are fast and spam smash, but their smash animation is slow as hell and they can be bated into it liek every other melee heavy character. they also are extremly weak in their armor

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Xerorei wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Shadohz wrote...

Disagree. Dragoons don't need a buff... especially if there are more than two in play. This more of that run-and-gun BS masked as balance change. I play all the difficulty levels and I'm surprised people haven't quit playing with some of the changes made. If vets want a tougher challenge the press BW to make "platinum only" changes OR better yet make a "player only" setting that nerfs your skills/damage. As one vet to another, you have to remember that not ALL people play the same way, have the same skill or have a full manifest. What might be easy for you is a really tough time for others.


Its not inteneded to make the game harder for some people. its a balance. as in all the factions should be relativelty close in difficulty.

collectors are brutal
geth are a fake hard aka cheap
reapers are now the easiest and once people realize it then they will be the most played faction and BW will buff them anyway
Ceberus is a nice balance but they were nerfed with dragoons takaing phatoms spots in the spawn budget. They should get buffed since they are way easier then phantoms IMO


So the fix is to balance the collectors, and geth down to cerb status not the reverse.
Who the hell gave you your license to use the internet, someone needs to revoke it.


geth cheapness needs to be removed. i agree with that.
but the collectors are good where they are. they are challenging w/o being cheap. thats what most people wanted to see out of them