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[SlimJim0725]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

It sounds like someone isn't going to be happy until either 98% of the community quits playing the game due to frustration or they all move to bronze since it will be the only difficulty an average player will be able to extract from.

not to sound like a jerk but an "average" player as you call it should be playing silver

beginner = bronze
average = silver
good player = gold
great player = platinum

that what it is there for. If the credits were the same for all 4 difficulties people would play the one that suits them best. instead all teh young gamers want an easy win unlock eveyrhting button. and complain when they don't get it.

You completely misunderstood my point. I said he won't be happy until the average gamer either stops playing the game or has to play bronze. Meaning if they keep buffing enemies and making this game harder. It's going to alienate 98% of the people who play this game. The people who can solo platinum with their hands tied behind their backs are the extreme minority. But yet these are the jerks who keep asking for enemy buffs.

if people quit the game becuase its not easy its no loss. the game isn't meant to be easy (except bronze) i'm by no means the best gunner out there. no even close IMO. but the great thing about ME3 MP is you have a team of 4 and you can suck at aiming and still do good if you use power classes.

I don't expect everyone to be able to solo platinum or even beat platinum and i don't want to see the game get so hard that a group of 4 good players cna't beat gold. but it shouldn't be soo easy that a group of 4 crappy players can beat gold by sitting behind a counter all game

Hey, if you so much like challenge, why not play it on PC? I mean you wouldn't have an aimbot and mobs would do much more damage to you.

Are you serious? Aim assist hurts FAR more than it helps for one. Two, it has been tested and proven that the enemies do the same. Know what you are talking about before posting idiotic things please, thank you.

[hudder92]

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

It sounds like someone isn't going to be happy until either 98% of the community quits playing the game due to frustration or they all move to bronze since it will be the only difficulty an average player will be able to extract from.

not to sound like a jerk but an "average" player as you call it should be playing silver

beginner = bronze
average = silver
good player = gold
great player = platinum

that what it is there for. If the credits were the same for all 4 difficulties people would play the one that suits them best. instead all teh young gamers want an easy win unlock eveyrhting button. and complain when they don't get it.

You completely misunderstood my point. I said he won't be happy until the average gamer either stops playing the game or has to play bronze. Meaning if they keep buffing enemies and making this game harder. It's going to alienate 98% of the people who play this game. The people who can solo platinum with their hands tied behind their backs are the extreme minority. But yet these are the jerks who keep asking for enemy buffs.

if people quit the game becuase its not easy its no loss. the game isn't meant to be easy (except bronze) i'm by no means the best gunner out there. no even close IMO. but the great thing about ME3 MP is you have a team of 4 and you can suck at aiming and still do good if you use power classes.

I don't expect everyone to be able to solo platinum or even beat platinum and i don't want to see the game get so hard that a group of 4 good players cna't beat gold. but it shouldn't be soo easy that a group of 4 crappy players can beat gold by sitting behind a counter all game

You won't be saying that when you are forced to solo any game you want to play because everyone is either playing bronze or just quit playing altogether.

Also there is a difference between 4 crappy players beating Gold and 4 crappy players using an exploit to beat gold.

[Zero132132]

upinya slayin wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

On Dragoons; was probably carrying this one match, and I got downed by a Centurion grenade while two Dragoons rushed me. I usually hold off on the gels until I'm either going to be stomped or the counter runs down, but the Dragoons have such a fast animation for everything that I was stomped before I even registered that it was a possibility. Match failed, because the two remaining players couldn't handle all of the firepower being focused on them. It's just another thing to adapt to, but their curbstomp is definitely much more rapid and less avoidable, so that's a thing.

Mostly, slayin, I agree, but considering that a large portion of the playerbase struggles with these enemies, I doubt they need a buff. Buffs and nerfs shouldn't be based only on the good players. If a lot of folks have trouble with them compared to other enemy types, then that's the closest thing we have to an objective measure of their strength. Until players get better at dealing with Dragoons, they're fine as is. Most folks have always struggled with Reapers, and they were initially the most powerful faction, so I don't know what to say about that..

the concept of MP is simple.
start with starter equipment on bronze. earn credits, hone your skills unlock better stuff move up to silver and repeat.

the issue people are having is they turned it into a how quick can i unlock stuff game and now are mad that they actually have to play it instead of having an easy win button.

If you go into a gold match with a harrrier you can rape things. If your best pistol is a predator X you shouldn't be playing gold.

Missing the point. It isn't only people with crappy manifests and bronze-level play that have trouble with these enemies. Plenty of people that previously had a good grip on the game struggle with Dragoons. Not so much Reapers, but a lot of gold players (not BSN gold, but normal players) thought they were the hardest before. A buff should be undertaken when a substantial portion of the playerbase finds an enemy simpler to deal with than the devs intended. If enough gold players have trouble with an enemy, then the enemy is about where it should be.

The game shouldn't be balanced around you, or around me, or around BSN players, it should be balanced around the majority of the playerbase. Since even people here are complaining about Dragoons at times, I think it's fair to say that most people don't find them easy.

Also, with Singularity as it is, I think a common human adept can contribute to a gold match without even using their weapons, if they spec it right, but that's a whole different discussion.

[Heldarion]

Dragons are a typical example of a fake difficulty ("cheap") unit.

1. Heavily armored
2. Super fast (is not the case in conjunction with point 1 on ANY other unit in MP), also, they roll
3. Their Hornet HURTS
4. Smash spam
5. They stomp

On top of all that, I've yet to hear them make any sound and look like a teammate half the time.

I hate them, but I can live with it, because it's only one unit (unlike the Geth, where all units are cheap) and I've got used to Phantoms which are now pretty easy to deal with.

I'm completely on board with Air Quotes, cheap design.


Edit: I should add, I enjoy playing Reapers a lot, because they are not unfair (or, to put it better, do not do as many unfair things as other factions). They make you run around and flush you out of cover, but when you die, it's because you made a mistake.
I've seen that lately Ravagers have taken to curving their shots, though <_<

Modifié par Heldarion, 15 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[stayposi1990]

Zero132132 wrote...

The game shouldn't be balanced around you, or around me, or around BSN players, it should be balanced around the majority of the playerbase.

[DJ Airsurfer]

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

[UKStory135]

My feelings wouldn't be hurt if the Reapers got a slight buff, but I like Cerberus where they are right now. They are easy on gold if you are set up for them, but hard if you don't have something with AP and something to stagger Dragoons and Phantoms. A significant buff to Dragoons would make them cheap.

[EvoSigma]

This thread reeks of "elitist" bullsh*t...

[SlimJim0725]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

Please know who you are talking to before making stupid comments please. Slayin is a Platinum player (had the first extraction on Platinum before it was even released to the public) and the Reapers right now are pretty pathetic even on Gold when compared to every other enemy.

[DJ Airsurfer]

BMP969 wrote...

I just hate it when I'm playing a solo game against Cerberus and I get a hack objective. You have to leave the area every minute and a half because a Dragoon comes up from behind an nearly kills you... They're not difficult to take down, it's just stupid that they spawn nonstop in some waves...

Then why do you keep your back turned? The only thing that needs nerfing is your stupidity.

[DJ Airsurfer]

Slimjim0725 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

Please know who you are talking to before making stupid comments please. Slayin is a Platinum player (had the first extraction on Platinum before it was even released to the public) and the Reapers right now are pretty pathetic even on Gold when compared to every other enemy.

Speaking of stupid comments.

[silencekills]

upinya slayin wrote...

 I love the way they are agressive and pull people out of cover...

They can do this? I must see it in action!

[Tristam25]

As of now, Dragoons have no self-preservation, forget how to shoot every five seconds, and spam biotics.
Pretty much a fast, biotic, LOKI mech. Needs more than a buff.

Reapers? Idk. By wave 8 on Gold they get pretty intense. Overwhelm you if you let them. Maybe a small buff? Collectors were kind of a buff, if you think about it. They are Reaper forces, after all. Less emphasis on close quarters with Collectors, though. Scions are pretty much weak Atlases.

[SlimJim0725]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

Please know who you are talking to before making stupid comments please. Slayin is a Platinum player (had the first extraction on Platinum before it was even released to the public) and the Reapers right now are pretty pathetic even on Gold when compared to every other enemy.

Speaking of stupid comments.

What exactly was stupid about my comment? I have around a 5% chance of failing a Reapers game at this point and that is only if I manage to get sync killed which anyone even decent at the game should be able to avoid after 7 months of playing. If you were referring to me telling you who Slayin is, you told him to stop playing Bronze or Silver, I am telling you that he only plays Gold and Platinum, so get your facts straight.

[Zero132132]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Slimjim0725 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

Please know who you are talking to before making stupid comments please. Slayin is a Platinum player (had the first extraction on Platinum before it was even released to the public) and the Reapers right now are pretty pathetic even on Gold when compared to every other enemy.

Speaking of stupid comments.

When people make statements which are rooted in assumptions that are distinctly false, yes, stupid is generally the term applied. Very fitting in your case, don't you think? 

[nbiscuitz]

should make brute able to jump across the map and grab/smash you like the hulk.

[golyoscsapagy]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

golyoscsapagy wrote...

Hey, if you so much like challenge, why not play it on PC? I mean you wouldn't have an aimbot and mobs would do much more damage to you.

... wait.  You're not joking.  Are you?  Please leave PC vs. Console bickering out of this.  It is not relevant, nor will it help further the discussion.

And sorry for the double post. 

It is relevant. The difficulty is not the same. It's not about 'my PC penis is bigger than your console penis', it's about a difference in difficulties. If mobs do 20% more damage on PC then a game which is fine on console is stupid hard on PC. Otherwise yeah, most console self-proclaimed shooter kings plainly suck without artificial help (chopper driving notwithstanding), but that's out of the point.

[Jzadek72]

This suggestion is the opposite of batman.

[Unfair_Banana]

longgamma wrote...

Hey bro, I am having enough trouble in gold pugs, my medigel supply is at an all time low. If you want a real tough challenge, go play Dark Souls. What exactly are you trying to prove here?

That game drove me freaking nuts. And I loved it.

[upinya slayin]

hudder92 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

hudder92 wrote...

It sounds like someone isn't going to be happy until either 98% of the community quits playing the game due to frustration or they all move to bronze since it will be the only difficulty an average player will be able to extract from.

not to sound like a jerk but an "average" player as you call it should be playing silver

beginner = bronze
average = silver
good player = gold
great player = platinum

that what it is there for. If the credits were the same for all 4 difficulties people would play the one that suits them best. instead all teh young gamers want an easy win unlock eveyrhting button. and complain when they don't get it.

You completely misunderstood my point. I said he won't be happy until the average gamer either stops playing the game or has to play bronze. Meaning if they keep buffing enemies and making this game harder. It's going to alienate 98% of the people who play this game. The people who can solo platinum with their hands tied behind their backs are the extreme minority. But yet these are the jerks who keep asking for enemy buffs.

if people quit the game becuase its not easy its no loss. the game isn't meant to be easy (except bronze) i'm by no means the best gunner out there. no even close IMO. but the great thing about ME3 MP is you have a team of 4 and you can suck at aiming and still do good if you use power classes.

I don't expect everyone to be able to solo platinum or even beat platinum and i don't want to see the game get so hard that a group of 4 good players cna't beat gold. but it shouldn't be soo easy that a group of 4 crappy players can beat gold by sitting behind a counter all game

You won't be saying that when you are forced to solo any game you want to play because everyone is either playing bronze or just quit playing altogether.

Also there is a difference between 4 crappy players beating Gold and 4 crappy players using an exploit to beat gold.

if anything it will get teh people who have no business playing certain difficulties out of it. playing PUGs (and mind you i don't do it too foten) i'd say about 5% of the players i've come across had no business being in that difficulty. 4 crappy players won't even beat a gold w/o explioting 1 cheap tactic. 

If eveyrhting was unlocked immdeiatly upon buying the game 90% of people in gold and platinum would be playing bronze and silver. teh rewards is what makes people mad. Look at my manifest. id din't do the 1st 4 challenge weekends. I also dind't play gold until i was ready. i earned my bumps and bruises on bronze and silver. I never jumed into a game hoping to be carried. excuse me if i don't have sympathy for people taking the lazy route to things.

I don't want to punish solid players by making gold unplayable. let me make that clear.

[GreatBlueHeron]

upinya slayin wrote...

Jecalux wrote...

Maybe it's time for you to stop playing Bronze and try something harder. At least you'll be occupied with something rather than writing bull****.

lol new people to the forums shouldn't post. If you don't know who is who on the forums in regards to their accomplishments then don't trash them.

please just go chekc out my posts/youtube page/ arelex tourment thread etc .

bronze players don't have maxed manifests like me either

Who cares about your epeen?  I certainly don't.  Perhaps you've outgrown this game and need to move on.  

[Zardoc]

The Dragoons need to be toned down if anything. Reapers are ****** easy though.

[upinya slayin]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Buff Dragoons and Reapers? Lol, what are you smoking? Maybe try something other than Bronze or Silver, and you'll see they don't need buffing. Cannibals tear you to shreds, Dragoons are hard as fok to kill without Overload, a shotgun or any AoE. etc etc

wanna compare manifests and accomplishments and see who is teh bronze player between the 2 of us?

[Zero132132]

golyoscsapagy wrote...

It is relevant. The difficulty is not the same. It's not about 'my PC penis is bigger than your console penis', it's about a difference in difficulties. If mobs do 20% more damage on PC then a game which is fine on console is stupid hard on PC. Otherwise yeah, most console self-proclaimed shooter kings plainly suck without artificial help (chopper driving notwithstanding), but that's out of the point.

Extremely stupid, or just trolling? There's no real way to know...

The 'enemys are harder on teh PCs!' claim has been debunked. Aim autoassist only exists because we don't have an aiming mechanic that's as easy as clicking 'BW please buff the dragoons and the reapers' for getting headshots. It's also usually distinctly harmful, since it'll consistently take the aim away from the reticule to aim at some other enemy. One of the reasons people noscope a lot, and wish they could noscope on snipers without a penalty.

Seriously, whether you're a complete ****ing idiot or a troll, no one wants to hear you speak.

[upinya slayin]

Tristam25 wrote...

As of now, Dragoons have no self-preservation, forget how to shoot every five seconds, and spam biotics.
Pretty much a fast, biotic, LOKI mech. Needs more than a buff.

Reapers? Idk. By wave 8 on Gold they get pretty intense. Overwhelm you if you let them. Maybe a small buff? Collectors were kind of a buff, if you think about it. They are Reaper forces, after all. Less emphasis on close quarters with Collectors, though. Scions are pretty much weak Atlases.

a gold dragoon is like watching a n00b play a smash guard. they run at enemeis, try to spam smash, and die.