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[Fyurian2]

Corypheus.
It's Hawke's fault!

[KENNY4753]

Brodoteau wrote...
The Wardens:  There is currently a nice little conspiracy theory about this on these forums.  What exactly was Stroud and Nathaniel doing?

Are you talking about this thread

http://social.biowar.../index/14503941

[septembervirgin]

Maybe the big enemy isn't really a living thing but rather phenomena. Lyrium might not have always existed in Thedas. Also, humans and elves and dwarves might all be from different worlds, brought together by a technology pre-dating Eluvians but similar to Eluvians. The Fade might actually be something that occurred after humans, elves, and dwarves were existent. Demons might not be the First Children as some assume -- but what if the First Children haven't even appeared in the game.

The reference to First Children and Second Children etc might be a remnant from an older text that refers to sets of demons or spirits not presently in Thedas or even to sets of gods.

[PistolPete7556]

The aggressors on both sides of what I think will be an all-out civil war between the mages and chantry should be the big bad, but hopefully there will be multiple ways to either end it, escalate it, or just slap a band aid on it.

[Brodoteau]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Brodoteau wrote...
The Wardens:  There is currently a nice little conspiracy theory about this on these forums.  What exactly was Stroud and Nathaniel doing?

Are you talking about this thread

http://social.biowar.../index/14503941

Yes that was the one I was talking about, I think the Bodahn idea would be a way to explain why Bodahn and Sandal keep popping up in all these games.  The Wardens are up to something, regardless.  It would be cool if Bioware changed our positive view of the Wardens (based on the first game) into something more negative.   Maybe once Corypheus infiltrates them?  BTW I don't think Corypheus can be DA3 Big Bad because it is really debatable when he was "freed."  I view him as something like Flemeth or Morrigan, who is doing something completely unrelated. 

Also, I do think that they should have an "Illusive Man" type character, but this time make him a dwarf that fights for dwarf rights.  They seem to be the most isolationist community, why should they also be the most "nationalist" 

As for the rest of the above... I'm tempted to agree that Cullen is responsible.  Strange that mages tend to go crazy whenever he's around....

Oh... and lastly, just to fit in with the rest of the forums:  DA3 BIG BAD FOR LI!!

[Vicious]

Maybe once Corypheus infiltrates them? BTW I don't think Corypheus can be DA3 Big Bad because it is really debatable when he was "freed.

No matter what, he was freed before the Mage/Templar situation blew up.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

probably some Pride demon.

[KENNY4753]

Brodoteau wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Brodoteau wrote...
The Wardens:  There is currently a nice little conspiracy theory about this on these forums.  What exactly was Stroud and Nathaniel doing?

Are you talking about this thread

http://social.biowar.../index/14503941

Yes that was the one I was talking about, I think the Bodahn idea would be a way to explain why Bodahn and Sandal keep popping up in all these games.  The Wardens are up to something, regardless.  It would be cool if Bioware changed our positive view of the Wardens (based on the first game) into something more negative.   Maybe once Corypheus infiltrates them?  BTW I don't think Corypheus can be DA3 Big Bad because it is really debatable when he was "freed."  I view him as something like Flemeth or Morrigan, who is doing something completely unrelated. 

Exactly. It is not just a coincidence that he keeps running into our heroes, just like Flemeth. It isn't a coincedence that she just so happens to save both of our heroes. There's more to it than that.

I don't really want the Wardens to be potrayed in a negative way. I just think that since it has been said the First Warden is involved in politics, since politics is a dirty business it isn't unlikely for him to have spies. Plus like my thread says with Amaranthine now belonging to the Wardens and with the First Warden really hoping Amaranthine is successful that it is likely he possibly contacts the Hero of Ferlelden to send his old buddy Bodahn to the rival trading city of Kirkwall to get inside knowledge oir something like that.

About Corypheus, I would like to see more of him and the Architect. For example in DA2 during Nathaniel's mission it seems likely that the Architect (if alive) could be the unlikely source Nathaniel spoke of.

[Giltspur]

Possibilities:
Flemeth.  If anyone's a candidate to manipulate events, it's here.
Aurelius Titus.  He's working against Flemeth, knows about the power in Alistair's family and has dragon eyes.
Some ancient Tevinter.  They're associated with old gods and probably with drinking dragon blood and the darkspawn.
Some ancient elf.  Maybe one that gives insight on how elves lost their immortaility or if they ever had it or perhaps it was him that ruined elven immortality and that has had his crime covered up by history.
Some ancient dwarf .  Maybe one that gives some insight into how dwarves lost their immortality--perhaps it was the dwarves that created the taint through work with lyrium and that lost their connection to the fade, kind of like the KOTOR aliens lost their connection to the Force.
Some spiritual successor to Jon Irenicus.  And this would be a lot like the elf I describe above.
Andraste.  Because sometimes people will introduce a character as a seeming force for good only to reveal the awful truth later.

If I had to guess, I'd say there's more than one powerful entity at work and that you have some choice as to how you deal with them.  Morrigan vs Flemeth is a popular guess.  But Flemeth vs Titus or Flemeth vs some Irenicus-like Elf makes sense too.  Who knows.  I'm guessing there won't be just be one "bad guy" lurking around controlling everything.  And I"m really sure that whatever the antagonist is, she'll have understandable motivations and not just be "generic evil" for you to oppose.

Modifié par Giltspur, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:51 .

[The _Inquisition]

No doubt their wont be any single evil but rather a hand full of smaller evils influencing the political system for their own goals, while we try to bring and end to this war if any major evil it might be a union of certain factions within the war like that Animated movie they made with us putting an end to their plot and then with all the power we decide how it ends, with options such as becoming Emperor restoring the old system of simply leaving the world to destroy it self and then be rebuilt by the survivors.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Big Bad is, of course, not bad at all. He will be the last boss fight of the game, but will ultimately be trying to save all of the world from the terror and horror that awaits us all should we reach The End.

He is our final obstacle, and our last hope. The End Boss and a Servant To Us All.

He was destroyed once, only to be reborn again, made anew in the flames of Red, Green and Blue.

He is Marauder Shields. He will ALWAYS stand between a Bioware protagonist and the devastation to the lore that a Bioware ending brings.

[inko1nsiderate]

AnacondaDarce wrote...

I kind of hope there isn't a mysterious force pulling the strings behind the scenes, and i REALLY hope this puppet master isn't introduced at the end of the game . . . i'm pretty sure you know where i'm going with this.

I'm guessing it will end up being Flemeth, if it happens at all, and not some random kid you see dying at the beginning of DA3.

[Foolsfolly]

You know what. My opinion hasn't changed since I first wrote this. So I'll just copy-paste:

Let me start off by saying that while there is somewhat a bit of proof that Flemeth is Fen'Harrel I've never believed that theory. Simply put Flemeth in both games but especially in Origins seems to be a character not too different from Doctor Manhattan from the comic book Watchmen.

She seems to know Jory will die and that he's irrevelent to the story, she knows she'll be in a fight with the Warden in DA2, she knows Hawke's future and gives her sympathy, and in general she seems aloof but a puppet to some greater scheme. She seems, at least to me, to be an important part of the world but not some deity that colors out of the lines. I'll finish this line of thought by saying while I disbelieve she's the Dread Wolf I won't really campagin that fact or call foul if she is revealed to be the Dread Wolf.

Second off, she's too obviously the big bad. So I'm ruling her out as the big bad manipulating things because there's no mystery there.

SO who or what is?

The moment you start Origins you hear the story of the ancient Tevinters blackening the Golden City. That single event, while originally dubious, sent the entire plot of the first game forward. More importantly the Architect is revealed in Awakening to have been responsible for the most recent Blight.

When this information comes out (the Mother forces it) the Architect says it was to find a way to end the Blights. Because of my own personal bias against that character I don't believe a word of it. Just like his never meaning to war with the Wardens while the talking darkspawn at Vigil's Keep says the slaughter went exactly as the Architect foretold. The character is just too untrustworthy for me to believe him especially since he wasn't going to tell us this fact had the Mother not brought it up.

In Dragon Age 2 the entire meltdown of the Chantry/Templar/Mages thing could (with the exception of Anders' durp moment) be laid at the pure lyrium idol found in the Primeval Thaig. Meredith wasn't the most lenient person in the world before coming in contact with the idol but her madness spiraled out of control after aquiring it. If there is a dark force manipulating the world into collapse then it acted through that idol. (Fun note: the idol appears to be elven in design. I looked for the thread that talked about that but there you go.)

Who could have had access to that idol? In a forgotten thaig lost to the darkspawn ages ago? Darkspawn.

Then there's the mission with Nathaniel Howe who talks ominously about the Wardens new allies and the need to secretly go back to the Primeval Thaig for some unknown reason. These allies are clearly the Architect if you import an Awakening where the Architect survived but the allies are less obvious if you killed that particular ancient darkspawn mutant.

But then there's Legacy. Which has a great name for what it is because it deals with what kicked off the series... the tainting of the Golden City. We meet one of the Tevinter Magisters that went into the Fade and kicked off (inadvertently) the Blights. This is the most solid proof there is yet that the Chantry's recounting of the origin of the darkspawn isn't all made up.

Interestingly enough Cory (the magister who looks an awful lot like the Architect and I do not believe that to be a coincidence) seems to no longer here the old god Dumat (the first archdemon). This suggests that magisters used to be in constant contact with the old gods. And that it appears the old gods may have suggested that the magisters go to the Fade. This is all conjecture but Cory does show how he speaks through the taint to control darkspawn, ghouls, and to a lesser extint Grey Wardens even while asleep. This ability has only been seen in archdemons who we believe are corrupted old gods.

All this points to me at least to a villain we haven't seen. Either an old god or an ancient Tevinter Magister. Either way whatever force is behind the darkspawn is manipulating this chaos.

The darkspawn cannot co-exist with other species or life in general. Their mere presence taints the land and twists living beings into ghouls. Their blood is the source of their corruption and also all darkspawn magic. I've long thought they were engineered by something as a living bio-weapon. This is speculation, of course, but I still believe it.

And finally I feel it needs to be said... Flemeth while powerful still saw the Blight as the real threat in Dragon Age: Origins. And it's entirely possible that all Flemeth's actions have been towards ending the Blights and whatever is controlling them.

Thoughts?

[Eumerin]

The _Inquisition wrote...

No doubt their wont be any single evil but rather a hand full of smaller evils influencing the political system for their own goals

I'm guessing that the immediate big bad(s) within DA3 will be something more or less ordinary.  But I also suspect that this will be the first game in the series that pulls the curtain back just a little and lets us get a peek at what's really going on, and what the real threat is.  The first two games were setting the stage for all of the games that will come after.

[Fast Jimmy]

If someone is manipulating the dark spawn, it would be an other worldly force, since the power that guides the Darkspawn is in conflict with everything it touches in our world. And the only other way to get to another world is the Eluvians.

And to what end would organizing a war between mages and Templars be? We know that through the sheer amount of magic and abominations likely to be released during a full blown attack of a Mage army, it would rip the veil between worlds, just like it did back during the ancient battle in the Brecillian Forest. And, with a big enough hole ripped in the world, something besides just spirits coming through.

What their agenda may be (aside from destruction and domination) could be up for much debate.

[Foolsfolly]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

If someone is manipulating the dark spawn, it would be an other worldly force, since the power that guides the Darkspawn is in conflict with everything it touches in our world. And the only other way to get to another world is the Eluvians.

And to what end would organizing a war between mages and Templars be? We know that through the sheer amount of magic and abominations likely to be released during a full blown attack of a Mage army, it would rip the veil between worlds, just like it did back during the ancient battle in the Brecillian Forest. And, with a big enough hole ripped in the world, something besides just spirits coming through.

What their agenda may be (aside from destruction and domination) could be up for much debate.

Magic and lyrium has to play with this somewhere too. The whole blood and lyrium angle has to lead somewhere. And while I'm not reading the Gaider penned comics (although I want to) there seems to be some plot about dragons and needing Alistair's blood to awaken them. Someone (Writer Redux likely) will expand upon this but that has to mean something.

Perhaps the old gods had a role to play in the universe. Something vastly important to the whole world but now that they're being systematically wiped out by the darkspawn whatever their duty is is going unchecked.

I've often remarked on these boards about how I've always viewed the darkspawn as too well made to be aan accident. They're like a perfect biological weapon. And since they keep digging and searching for old gods when there's not a blight directing them... perhaps they're a weapon against the old gods.

I don't know.

It's frustrating. I see the pieces but cannot see how they all fit. Especially since I know there's at least one big piece that hasn't shown up yet...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The Big Bad will be someone big........ and bad.

[Pride Demon]

Likely candidate for the Big Bad? Obviously me...

Giltspur wrote...

Possibilities:
Flemeth.  If anyone's a candidate to manipulate events, it's here.
Aurelius Titus.  He's working against Flemeth, knows about the power in Alistair's family and has dragon eyes.
Some ancient Tevinter.  They're associated with old gods and probably with drinking dragon blood and the darkspawn.
Some ancient elf.  Maybe one that gives insight on how elves lost their immortaility or if they ever had it or perhaps it was him that ruined elven immortality and that has had his crime covered up by history.
Some ancient dwarf .  Maybe one that gives some insight into how dwarves lost their immortality--perhaps it was the dwarves that created the taint through work with lyrium and that lost their connection to the fade, kind of like the KOTOR aliens lost their connection to the Force.
Some spiritual successor to Jon Irenicus.  And this would be a lot like the elf I describe above.
Andraste.  Because sometimes people will introduce a character as a seeming force for good only to reveal the awful truth later.

If I had to guess, I'd say there's more than one powerful entity at work and that you have some choice as to how you deal with them.  Morrigan vs Flemeth is a popular guess.  But Flemeth vs Titus or Flemeth vs some Irenicus-like Elf makes sense too.  Who knows.  I'm guessing there won't be just be one "bad guy" lurking around controlling everything.  And I"m really sure that whatever the antagonist is, she'll have understandable motivations and not just be "generic evil" for you to oppose.

I like these ideas...

[KainD]

Why must there be a big bad? Why not just conflicts between mages/tempars, nations, chantry/qunari. Etc.

[Pride Demon]

KainD wrote...

Why must there be a big bad? Why not just conflicts between mages/tempars, nations, chantry/qunari. Etc.

Well, I believe it's because identifying an antagonist with a specific individual rather than a generic group is easier, it also generally makes the fight more personal since you have an opponent to identify/compare/contrast your character with, rather than an unnamed mass forming a group...

Even if there was no big bad, the groups you describe would need to have some sort of leader or figurehead, and most would just see that someone as the "big bad" even if they never end up fighting them...

As was said before, there may well be more than just one "big bad"...

[NedPepper]

marshalleck wrote...

nedpepper wrote... Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf. Perhaps in league with Flemeth.  

Unless Flemeth is the dread wolf. 

She does fit the profile, doesn't she.  And as we all know, the Dread Wolf likes to play both sides to create chaos....

[Kroitz]

I don´t know why, but I got this feeling his name begins with an "e" and ends with an "a" ...

[PistolPete7556]

nedpepper wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

nedpepper wrote... Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf. Perhaps in league with Flemeth.  

Unless Flemeth is the dread wolf. 

She does fit the profile, doesn't she.  And as we all know, the Dread Wolf likes to play both sides to create chaos....

So Flemeth could be the Dread Wolf & the Maker?

[ImperatorMortis]

It would be funny if the big bad was Andraste/The Maker.

Just for the **** storm it would cause.

[LadyVaJedi]

It can't be Corypheus Hawke and the party killed him.