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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
 Don't give me that bull, Sheplyst isn't Shepards consciousness uploaded to an AI shell and you know it, scew it however you will, but there is no refuting that Sheplyst is not Shepard.

again, Dreman is right about this.A mind can be cyberized and yet be the same person.

Being a sycophant isn't going to make him any less incorrect.

It isn't the same person when the Ai clearly states that it is not the same person.

More like saying it's no longer human.

Here is a link to the video, I want you to quote one line where he says " I am commander Shepard" good luck because you aren't going to find it.
I however can show you several part of the video where it clearly state it is not Shepard.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Sauron001]

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it is. Everything thing stated in ec says it is. 

Oh you mean " The man Shepard was" or  how it never refers to itself as Shepard?


Or how it says Shepard is dead, multiple times.

Was as in "what I was before" Shepard is no longer a man/woman...Not even human.

Seems people are refusing the cannon ending for control.... Sheparlyst clearly identifies itslef as something completely different his thoughts and who he was helped create the new AI but it is not Shepard otherwise he would be like.....

"Yo Guyzzz Ima reaper now!!!! I took over harbi's brain" Not trying to be a troll

[EnvyTB075]

Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
On a completely unrelated note, that anime is one of the best i've ever seen.

I agree. The Ghost in the Shell franchise is one of my top five anime franchises. 

...not quite what i was thinking of actually.

What were you thinking of?

Well a certain user here directly refers to the Sixty Billion Double Dollar Man himself...
I wasn't aware of this, so I confused hat you were referring to. What is this anyway? 

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:29 .

[EnvyTB075]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
I wasn't aware of this, so I confused hat you were referring to. What is this anyway? 

Oh dear....you have not lived.

[CptBomBom00]

Well, for me personally, EC did clarify Destroy ending, but sadly BW didn't expand on it further, a scene confirming that Shepard is alive, for example he manages to get out of the rubble and he sees that the Reapers are dead, and then a scene where Normandy docks at Citadel, and Shepard is re-united with his/hers LI, there you go expanded Destroy ending.

[Sauron001]

[/quote]More like saying it's no longer human.
[/quote] Here is a link to the video, I want you to quote one line where he says " I am commander Shepard" good luck because you aren't going to find it.
I however can show you several part of the video where it clearly state it is not Shepard.



[/quote]


More like "I am commander shepard" and this is my favorite Reaper body

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EnvyTB075 wrote...
 
Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

FFS nearly its first line says "the man I WAS"" as in am not anymore

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
On a completely unrelated note, that anime is one of the best i've ever seen.

I agree. The Ghost in the Shell franchise is one of my top five anime franchises. 

...not quite what i was thinking of actually.

What were you thinking of?

Well a certain user here directly refers to the Sixty Billion Double Dollar Man himself...
I wasn't aware of this, so I confused hat you were referring to. What is this anyway? 

Trigun dude. jeez.

[EnvyTB075]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
 
Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

FFS nearly its first line says "the man I WAS"" as in am not anymore

Quite so, i'm interested to see how this will make sense in Dremanland.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:32 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
 
Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

FFS nearly its first line says "the man I WAS"" as in am not anymore

Quite so, i'm interested to see how Dreman will twist this to make sense in Dremanland.

" Well obviously if he used to be something that means that he stilll is."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
On a completely unrelated note, that anime is one of the best i've ever seen.

I agree. The Ghost in the Shell franchise is one of my top five anime franchises. 

...not quite what i was thinking of actually.

What were you thinking of?

Well a certain user here directly refers to the Sixty Billion Double Dollar Man himself...
I wasn't aware of this, so I confused hat you were referring to. What is this anyway? 

Trigun dude. jeez.

How did I not see that. Must be more tired than I thought.

[Sauron001]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Yet what does Ghost in the Shell have to do with ME? This is the MEU not the GSU.

[EnvyTB075]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Except that its anime logic, it only makes sense in that setting.

For example, Vash is actually a lightbulb. And humans can understand the gutteral sounds of giant robot ligers with jetpacks.







....and Shinji is actually a badass....

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:36 .

[grey_wind]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...
 
Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

FFS nearly its first line says "the man I WAS"" as in am not anymore

Quite so, i'm interested to see how Dreman will twist this to make sense in Dremanland.

" Well obviously if he used to be something that means that he stilll is."

I admit I'm in tears thanks to this thread.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sauron001 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Yet what does Ghost in the Shell have to do with ME? This is the MEU not the GSU.

I was simply stating that similar things have happened in scifi. I'll stick to Virtual Aliens from now on in this thread.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Except that its anime logic, it only makes sense in that setting.
For example, Vash is actually a lightbulb. And Rei is a god.
....and Shinji is actually a badass....

Ok, I'll concede that "different universes=different logics".
Also, lol from memories at your examples.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:37 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Except that its anime logic, it only makes sense in that setting.

For example, Vash is actually a lightbulb. And humans can understand the gutteral sounds of giant robot ligers with jetpacks.







....and Shinji is actually a badass....

I beleive Vash is actually all of those things....oh you changed it.

He is still a BA.

Also Nicholas D. Wolfwood.

Love that guy.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:39 .

[Ieldra]

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

[EnvyTB075]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

I don't know what the actual realworld term is (transhuman maybe...), but it's a term used in Ghost in the Shell that refers to something noncybernetic, like a mind, being downloaded into something that is cybernetic.

Except that its anime logic, it only makes sense in that setting.

For example, Vash is actually a lightbulb. And humans can understand the gutteral sounds of giant robot ligers with jetpacks.







....and Shinji is actually a badass....

I beleive Vash is actually all of those things....oh you changed it.

He is still a BA.

Also Nicholas D. Wolfwood.

Love that guy.

I really don't have the money at the moment, stop tempting me to go out and buy it instead of relying on my friends....

edit: And yes, i know what you were referring to when i changed it up. Unlike Dreman, i proof my posts, and if theres something i'd like to add, i add it.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Sauron001]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sauron001 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

ame memories, same personality, same morals/principles... the only difference is Shepard doesn't have an organic body.

[EnvyTB075]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sauron001 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

ame memories, same personality, same morals/principles... the only difference is Shepard doesn't have an organic body.

A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:52 .