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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

EnvyTB075 wrote...


A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

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Whoa man.

So what you are trying to say is that, even though Led Zeppelin isn't around anymore and Led Zepagain is based on their songs, they aren't actually Led Zeppelin?

Thats crazy stuff right there man.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Applepie_Svk]

EC was retcon of their original ending to make it not more believable but more swallowable, ofc only for those which were looking for polishing of old endings and for those which look for logical explanation... well guys we are screwed...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sauron001 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

ame memories, same personality, same morals/principles... the only difference is Shepard doesn't have an organic body.

A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

Shepard's mind was transhumaned(don't know if how that word's used), so it is the same person. Look at Virtual Aliens, are they just copies too?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sauron001 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

ame memories, same personality, same morals/principles... the only difference is Shepard doesn't have an organic body.

A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

Shepard's mind was transhumaned(don't know if how that word's used), so it is the same person. Look at Virtual Aliens, are they just copies too?

How is an AI who clearly says that it IS NOT Shepard, Shepard?

Holy cow, this is way beyond denial at this point.

This isn't Shepard putting his/her brain into a robo body, anything that isn't exactly that makes it a copy, and a copy IS NEVER, ever, in any universe the same.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:04 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
How is an AI who clearly says that it IS NOT Shepard, Shepard?

Holy cow, this is way beyond denial at this point.

Thru his death I was born... 

seems legit

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Sauron001 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...
FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

For all practical purposes, the difference does not matter. A perfect copy will act like the original, and if the original doesn't exist any longer, it's perfectly practical to claim it is the original. Nobody will be able to tell the difference anyway.

Origional: "I am commander Shepard" (Human)
Copy: "The man that sacrificed for my existence" or close to (Harbinger)

How would you think he is the same in any logical way? Everyone would notice a difference

ame memories, same personality, same morals/principles... the only difference is Shepard doesn't have an organic body.

A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

Shepard's mind was transhumaned(don't know if how that word's used), so it is the same person. Look at Virtual Aliens, are they just copies too?

How is an AI who clearly says that it IS NOT Shepard, Shepard?

Holy cow, this is way beyond denial at this point.

All Shepard says is "the person I was" which means Shapalyst recognizes itself as not human anymore. I don't know why I'm defending Control so much(the principle of transhumanism i guess) since I choose Synthesis anyway.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

All Shepard says is "the person I was" which means Shapalyst recognizes itself as not human anymore. I don't know why I'm defending Control so much(the principle of transhumanism i guess) since I choose Synthesis anyway.

What species was Commander Shepard?


WHAT DOES Commander Shepard LOOK LIKE!?

It does not in any way matter if it was a perfectly exact replica of Shepard, it still is not Shepard, I don't understand why this is so hard to understand for some people.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:07 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

All Shepard says is "the person I was" which means Shapalyst recognizes itself as not human anymore. I don't know why I'm defending Control so much(the principle of transhumanism i guess) since I choose Synthesis anyway.

What species was Commander Shepard?


WHAT DOES Commander Shepard LOOK LIKE!?

****** Sapien, & varies depending on player.
So someone has to look the same all the time to be the same person?

[puppy maclove]

sorry OP, but I strongly disagree.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

All Shepard says is "the person I was" which means Shapalyst recognizes itself as not human anymore. I don't know why I'm defending Control so much(the principle of transhumanism i guess) since I choose Synthesis anyway.

What species was Commander Shepard?


WHAT DOES Commander Shepard LOOK LIKE!?

****** Sapien, & varies depending on player.
So someone has to look the same all the time to be the same person?

NO someone has to be the same person to be the same person.

This is an apple

This is the exact same image of the exact same apple
 
Do you see the difference?

The difference is that the second apple isn't the same as the first one because it isn't the one that was originally posted.
 I know this is pretty advanced stuff, I would suggest watching the science channel, Morgan Freeman has a very good television series that can explain this to you.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:14 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

All Shepard says is "the person I was" which means Shapalyst recognizes itself as not human anymore. I don't know why I'm defending Control so much(the principle of transhumanism i guess) since I choose Synthesis anyway.

What species was Commander Shepard?


WHAT DOES Commander Shepard LOOK LIKE!?

****** Sapien, & varies depending on player.
So someone has to look the same all the time to be the same person?

NO someone has to be the same person to be the same person.

This is an apple

This is the exact same image of the exact same apple
 
Do you see the difference?

The difference is that the second apple isn't the same as the first one because it wasn't the one that was originally posted.

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

[Mcfly616]

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete evidence.

Also I'm going to bed.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

[Applepie_Svk]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

Hater? A label created by the fanboys to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are. 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:24 .

[StElmo]

I'm okay with them going the route of explaining the endings (instead of changing), but they certainly haven't explained them enough for me to remain interested in anything other then having the endings explained more

I think they will eventually tho

Modifié par StElmo, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:25 .

[EnvyTB075]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

And you white knighters are like hookers, very easy to please and quick to defend from any sort of scrutiny.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

I don't expect to ever see you in an IT thread unless you are in incredibly unwavereing support of it.

You can beleive in transhumanism all you want, but when Sheplyst says it is not Shepard MULTIPLE times, the only rational thing to beleive is that it isn't, and then use your brain to deduce that if something isn't something that it simply isn't.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

I don't expect to ever see you in an IT thread unless you are in incredibly unwavereing support of it.

You can beleive in transhumanism all you want, but when Sheplyst says it is not Shepard MULTIPLE times, the only rational thing to beleive is that it isn't, and then use your brain to deduce that if something isn't something that it simply isn't.

No, I despise the Indoctrination Hypothesis personally, but respect others wish to believe it.
Again, I'm not pro-Control, I'm just giving them a possibility, just like yours is. But if it makes you feel better, I'll openly conced that Shepalyst=/=Shepard as likely as Shepalyst =Shepard..

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:36 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

Shepard is only shepard when he stays Shepard.
This control thing, is only an altered virtual version of Shepard.

As stated, has same personality, morals, memories, etc. so it can be argued that it's not altered as well.

[Mcfly616]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

And you white knighters are like hookers, very easy to please and quick to defend from any sort of scrutiny.

white knighters? Lame lol


I hated the original endings and bashed them, Bioware and StarBrat since the day i rejoined the BSN, all the way up til my EC download was completed at 5:30 am on June 26....that's 3 months of straight up bashing everything about the last 10 minutes of the game and anybody that had anything to do with it. So when I found out that StarBrat wasnt completely removed and Indoc Theory wasnt being implemented, I already knew EC was going to suck. (My posts don't lie)

But it didn't. And since I was thoroughly satisfied by the EC, that makes me a hooker? Right on bro lol whatever makes you feel better about the fact that you are simply hater: picking apart anything and everything to make yourself feel better about your own point of view. Hell, I could tear ME2 apart far worse than ME3....but it seems the cool thing to do here is to hate on something while its current and then praise it after something new has been released a few years down the line.

[Fixers0]

Game's still pretty mediocre though,