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[Maxster_]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

Hater? A label created by the fanboys to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are. 

[EnvyTB075]

christrek1982 wrote...
and I still find it shocking that a game that prides itself on choice take it all away in the last few moments so that it can force the player into some force sacrafice.

They took it out of a sizeable chunk of the game dude....

[squee365]

OP I'm glad you enjoyed the game. I look forward to biowares next move too. Don't try to let these people bring you down. Most of them have really sad lives, it pointless to try and argue with them.

[Maxster_]

Well, when i was at half of ME3, i already made a conjecture, that i'm no longer part of EAWare target audience. When your plot is bad and idiotic, that you need to asassinate and make retarded every character to shoehorn them into that stupidity - no good could even come from that.
Crucible? Complete nonsense.
And then there was the ending, which level of nonsense, absurdity and idiocy easily surpasses everything that was before.
And Extended Crap made it even worse, with that idiotic evactuation scene.
After that(and their arrogant reaction to fans outrage) i understood, that my conjecture was indeed correct, and Bioware(now EAWare) is no more.
So no, i have no "faith" in Bioware, there is no Bioware. Just and empty shell, corporate EA branch.

[christrek1982]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

christrek1982 wrote...
and I still find it shocking that a game that prides itself on choice take it all away in the last few moments so that it can force the player into some force sacrafice.

They took it out of a sizeable chunk of the game dude....

humm yes I did notice but I as I said at the start of my post I'm willing to fogive a lot but that ending the way shep and in turn the player was treated. well lets just say I reached my braking point.

[Sundance31us]

Good to hear OP. If you wish to discuss the game/ending without an excessive amount of negativity I recommend joining one of the group discussions.

[christrek1982]

Maxster_ wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha OP can't even make a thread showing his appreciation without getting trolled from the very first comment.

You haters are like hyenas

Hater? A label created by the fanboys to give voice to their destruction. In the end, what they chose to call us is irrelevant. We simply... are. 

this I like well siad<_<

[Gamer790]

Nope, still wearing my cynicism hat.

[Kais Endac]

For me the endings remain unchanged I feel exactly the same in the Original ending as the EC and that feeling is something like depression. Like my god I played all three game sunk hundreds of hours into this franchise and i get this EDI dead, the Geth Dead and my Shep half alive on the citadel.

I hate control and Synthesis as I don't really want my Shep to become a God like being or force synthesis on the entire galaxy. I would have been happy if the ending had not forced the sacrifices on me, throughout the entire game it is constantly pressed on you that millions of people are dying every day the ending did not need to force the player to commit genocide just to let his shep live.

That said I do like Mass effect 3 and have played it through several times however I have not nor will I ever like the ending I usually stop playing prior to priority earth and (as much as I loathe Head cannon) I simply make my own ending for my shep one where he does live and so do the geth and EDI plenty of people die in the final battle so I don't really see the need to kill the Geth or EDI. I do respect Bioware's decision though and will continue to buy their products even if I have come to dislike the endings especially the last two DA2 and ME3.

I know this is slightly off topic I just wanted to express my opinion and I understand there are people who like the endings. This is just my opinion (then again I have never really liked sacrificial or bittersweet endings) I don’t really want a super happy ending where everyone has a party and dances on the reaper corpses well into the night. To be honest all I wanted was a reunion scene between my Shep and his LI without having to imagine it.

[christrek1982]

Kais Endac wrote...

For me the endings remain unchanged I feel exactly the same in the Original ending as the EC and that feeling is something like depression. Like my god I played all three game sunk hundreds of hours into this franchise and i get this EDI dead, the Geth Dead and my Shep half alive on the citadel.

I hate control and Synthesis as I don't really want my Shep to become a God like being or force synthesis on the entire galaxy. I would have been happy if the ending had not forced the sacrifices on me, throughout the entire game it is constantly pressed on you that millions of people are dying every day the ending did not need to force the player to commit genocide just to let his shep live.

That said I do like Mass effect 3 and have played it through several times however I have not nor will I ever like the ending I usually stop playing prior to priority earth and (as much as I loathe Head cannon) I simply make my own ending for my shep one where he does live and so do the geth and EDI plenty of people die in the final battle so I don't really see the need to kill the Geth or EDI. I do respect Bioware's decision though and will continue to buy their products even if I have come to dislike the endings especially the last two DA2 and ME3.

I know this is slightly off topic I just wanted to express my opinion and I understand there are people who like the endings. This is just my opinion (then again I have never really liked sacrificial or bittersweet endings) I don’t really want a super happy ending where everyone has a party and dances on the reaper corpses well into the night. To be honest all I wanted was a reunion scene between my Shep and his LI without having to imagine it.

I agree +1 it wouldnt of made the ending of the game better than ME1 or ME2or even as good but I cold of lived with it.

[Neizd]

The game changed from bad to average, and there are still a lot of problems with it for example:

Change of rules - in ME1 and ME2 you can win against impossible without loosing anything. You are Shepard that performs miracles during war.

Now in ME3 you can't win because the star-kid says so, and you have to choose betwen A,B,C,D

Until this is resolved and we can have the same rules that were in prevorious games the game will stay average, no matter how many times bw will explain everything.

[3DandBeyond]

squee365 wrote...

OP I'm glad you enjoyed the game. I look forward to biowares next move too. Don't try to let these people bring you down. Most of them have really sad lives, it pointless to try and argue with them.

When you have no real ability to add to a discussion, attack the person and not the stance.

Have you read a thing anyone has been saying?  Have you read some of the counterpoints?

Control has a corollary with the kid's AI.  Deluded or just badly programmed, he became what he became.  His creators should never have created tech.  They made it possible for their enthralled races to create synthetics that kept attacking them. Instead of controlling them (as they would logically have done because they are also rather dictatorial) and forcing them to not create synthetics that want to kill, they decided to create some tech themselves.  And it did the same damn thing.  And they in their idiocy didn't learn from countless bad decisions of their thralls so they put no really important controls on what the AI they created could do and it turned on them.  Shepard in becoming an AI will enter into the infrastructure that they or their (and their thralls) created, which is flawed tech.  The likelihood that Shepard AI will become just as flawed as the kid is of a higher probability than that s/he won't.  The infrastructure makes no allowance for feelings.  Ever see a reaper cry and yet they are the model for what the ascended Shepard will become except Shepard will have control.  Really?  That voice that narrates control isn't just Shepard.

And again no one will answer this question-who really would logically believe that people that have watched giant skyscraper sized monsters eat their families and all but destroy their planets would be ok with them flying around fixing things, or that they'd be ok living with reaper variants that may be a relative of theirs?  It makes no sense at all-it goes completely against the nature of people to be ok with that.  The chance of the reapers and Shepard AI being as flawed as the kid AI is, is a chance no rational individual would take.  People would not be happy with giant dangerous things that contain people goo in them flying around.  In the real world, rightly or wrongly, dogs that have viciously attacked people are put down.  And they may well have been trained to do that.  And serial killers are at least locked up.  But rightly or wrongly people want them dead.  It's why Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison.  But imagine Jeffrey Dahmer the size of a skyscraper and imagine there are numerous versions of him sprucing up the galaxy.  Do you really think people won't want these killers dead, no matter how super useful they are?  They are reminders of the horrors that have happened, what they have done to the galaxy.  And the Shepard AI will not be Shepard.  Even if it was still Shepard, it isn't like reapers have laser-like precision in trying to stop conflicts.  If there are attempts to destroy them or if fights break out, someone is going to get hurt badly.

But your statements say it all.  I read through a lot of this thread and it's like it always is.  People go to great lengths to explain what is wrong in their opinion with the endings.  Then someone tries to trivialize it.  It's like if someone says that the idea of a technological singularity was never explored in the way that Bioware presents it and synthesis as shown is not something that would ever be an evolutionary event, which means it must always be forced.  And that force is defined as not having the permission to do something, in this case with a person's body.  It is not only about going against an expressed desire or will, but it is about ignoring what a reasonable person may consider a violation of their body.  Someone may express what I think is a thoughtful opinion, that is explained rather thoroughly and all the supposed "lovers" (though they act far more like haters of real people when their idea of a hater is someone that dislikes a video game ending-A VIDEO GAME) can do is slam and insult the person.  There's no real discussion here.  Dreman never answers truly any single statement anyone makes-he merely repeats canned responses that don't address the post at hand.  Eterna uses one line zingers that indicate a lack of distinction between people and an inanimate object, a game.

It's incredibly funny to me, that most often so-called haters come up with real reasons for their dislike and that most often is pointed at the game and endings.  So-called lovers spew hate at people.  And an ending that some think is intellectually based, is anything but.  It fails on an emotional and gut level basis, and when explored for more than its superficiality, it fails because it lacks true intelligence.  It can be picked apart in so many ways.  But it's supported by some who can only repeat, "if you don't like control, pick something else".  And this from someone who should by now know why many people dislike all of the choices.

The stupidest thing of all is the idea that synthetics will always be created that will either intentionally or by accident (without solution) destroy all organics and so the kid must save organics.  A being that knew and determined that the destruction of organics (he says this about his creators) was necessary to achieve this salvation.  And it's based on the idea that synthetics are not just going to kill all sentient organic life, but apparently Ferns and Pine trees and Tree Toads and puppies and kittens and goldfish and butterflies and so on are all at risk.  This because synthetics in an all powerful state will lack the logic to understand they are all powerful and so cannot be threatened by weaker organics-so they won't ever adopt a live and let live attitude.  Or because synthetics won't be able to stop unintended destruction from happening because they are just too powerful.  There's a geth or two that would beg to differ on both accounts.

[Iakus]

@3DandBeyond

::applause::

[Gravbh]

3DandBeyond wrote...

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Or maybe it's simply because people are tired of being shouted down by the echo chamber of hate when anything positive is said about the game, so they just tune out the negative replies. Some people like the thing you despise and you simply can't move on, even after 7 months.

I must say, as someone who finds nerd-rage hilarious, the story sub-forum has long been a reliable source of entertainment.

[3DandBeyond]

Gravbh wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

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Or maybe it's simply because people are tired of being shouted down by the echo chamber of hate when anything positive is said about the game, so they just tune out the negative replies. Some people like the thing you despise and you simply can't move on, even after 7 months.

I must say, as someone who finds nerd-rage hilarious, the story sub-forum has long been a reliable source of entertainment.

And yet those that are just in love with the endings are few and far between.  Even many that are fans of the endings, are not in love with them and say "they're better", "they're ok", "they don't suck as much".  Well, if this were my company, I'd want better things said of something I believe is terrific.  I create things.  If people say "that's ok", they don't buy. 

I create a delineation between what is a game, an inanimate object and people, what are thoughts and the person behind the thoughts. 

I have replied to people in these forums, saying I am glad they like the game endings now, but here's why I don't.  For that effort, I've been told I'm a hater, a whiner, this that and blah blah blah.  I am a paying customer.  That's earned me entrance into this forum and if I act responsibly, I may continue to speak here, just as you may do.  I am a consumer and a product has failed to live up to not only my expectations, but the promises of its creators.  They lied to get people to pay them money for a product they have as yet not fixed to the satisfaction of a great many people who could not get them to open up a dialogue about it.  Every time they said something to someone about the game that ended up not being true, and where they did not say, "we changed our minds on that, sorry" they lied.  They could retcon the game and what it meant all over the place, but as yet have done no retconning of their promises-a real sincere attempt to clear things up with fans.

And so, on these forums I may say I totally dislike what they did with the game, but that does not give anyone the out and out right to call me a hater.  The implication is that the product and the reaction to it matters more than the attitude towards real people.  The bottom line seems to be this: hating a game and its endings is unforgivable.  Hating people is acceptable and applauded.  Discussing and disagreeing with a post is out of line.  Hating and heaping hate on the person who posted is respected. 

I post here for the same reasons you do.  I am a fan of these games.  I have gone to great lengths to say that.  I also paid my money and have reasons as to why they failed me as a customer.  In no other industry would a company get away with this, but video games are off limits apparently.  If they're buggy in beta testing, they get released with a lot of the same bugs and people get to live with most of them because patches are nowhere near as effective as pre-release programming and they create more bugs.  If content sucks, hype and trailers are used to get you to pre-order and returns can be difficult with opened products or digital downloads.  If endings suck, you can be beyond the time where any returns are allowed if they were ever allowed.  If the endings of a trilogy suck, you have to get through 3 games and years and hours of play to find that out and by then the "damage" is done.  Who should people complain to or about if not the creators of the product?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 15 octobre 2012 - 02:30 .

[Iakus]

3DandBeyond wrote...
And yet those that are just in love with the endings are few and far between.  Even many that are fans of the endings, are not in love with them and say "they're better", "they're ok", "they don't suck as much".  Well, if this were my company, I'd want better things said of something I believe is terrific.  I create things.  If people say "that's ok", they don't buy. 

I create a delineation between what is a game, an inanimate object and people, what are thoughts and the person behind the thoughts. 

I have replied to people in these forums, saying I am glad they like the game endings now, but here's why I don't.  For that effort, I've been told I'm a hater, a whiner, this that and blah blah blah.  I am a paying customer.  That's earned me entrance into this forum and if I act responsibly, I may continue to speak here, just as you may do.  I am a consumer and a product has failed to live up to not only my expectations, but the promises of its creators.  They lied to get people to pay them money for a product they have as yet not fixed to the satisfaction of a great many people who could not get them to open up a dialogue about it.  Every time they said something to someone about the game that ended up not being true, and where they did not say, "we changed our minds on that, sorry" they lied.  They could retcon the game and what it meant all over the place, but as yet have done no retconning of their promises-a real sincere attempt to clear things up with fans.

And so, on these forums I may say I totally dislike what they did with the game, but that does not give anyone the out and out right to call me a hater.  The implication is that the product and the reaction to it matters more than the attitude towards real people.  The bottom line seems to be this: hating a game and its endings is unforgivable.  Hating people is acceptable and applauded.  Discussing and disagreeing with a post is out of line.  Hating and heaping hate on the person who posted is respected. 

I post here for the same reasons you do.  I am a fan of these games.  I have gone to great lengths to say that.  I also paid my money and have reasons as to why they failed me as a customer.  In no other industry would a company get away with this, but video games are off limits apparently.  If they're buggy in beta testing, they get released with a lot of the same bugs and people get to live with most of them because patches are nowhere near as effective as pre-release programming and they create more bugs.  If content sucks, hype and trailers are used to get you to pre-order and returns can be difficult with opened products or digital downloads.  If endings suck, you can be beyond the time where any returns are allowed if they were ever allowed.  If the endings of a trilogy suck, you have to get through 3 games and years and hours of play to find that out and by then the "damage" is done.  Who should people complain to or about if not the creators of the product?

If the Mass Effect team ever decides to really engage us, rather than creating a "we are listening" thread then walking away, I nominate you as our spokesperson!

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
And yet those that are just in love with the endings are few and far between.  Even many that are fans of the endings, are not in love with them and say "they're better", "they're ok", "they don't suck as much".  Well, if this were my company, I'd want better things said of something I believe is terrific.  I create things.  If people say "that's ok", they don't buy. 

I create a delineation between what is a game, an inanimate object and people, what are thoughts and the person behind the thoughts. 

I have replied to people in these forums, saying I am glad they like the game endings now, but here's why I don't.  For that effort, I've been told I'm a hater, a whiner, this that and blah blah blah.  I am a paying customer.  That's earned me entrance into this forum and if I act responsibly, I may continue to speak here, just as you may do.  I am a consumer and a product has failed to live up to not only my expectations, but the promises of its creators.  They lied to get people to pay them money for a product they have as yet not fixed to the satisfaction of a great many people who could not get them to open up a dialogue about it.  Every time they said something to someone about the game that ended up not being true, and where they did not say, "we changed our minds on that, sorry" they lied.  They could retcon the game and what it meant all over the place, but as yet have done no retconning of their promises-a real sincere attempt to clear things up with fans.

And so, on these forums I may say I totally dislike what they did with the game, but that does not give anyone the out and out right to call me a hater.  The implication is that the product and the reaction to it matters more than the attitude towards real people.  The bottom line seems to be this: hating a game and its endings is unforgivable.  Hating people is acceptable and applauded.  Discussing and disagreeing with a post is out of line.  Hating and heaping hate on the person who posted is respected. 

I post here for the same reasons you do.  I am a fan of these games.  I have gone to great lengths to say that.  I also paid my money and have reasons as to why they failed me as a customer.  In no other industry would a company get away with this, but video games are off limits apparently.  If they're buggy in beta testing, they get released with a lot of the same bugs and people get to live with most of them because patches are nowhere near as effective as pre-release programming and they create more bugs.  If content sucks, hype and trailers are used to get you to pre-order and returns can be difficult with opened products or digital downloads.  If endings suck, you can be beyond the time where any returns are allowed if they were ever allowed.  If the endings of a trilogy suck, you have to get through 3 games and years and hours of play to find that out and by then the "damage" is done.  Who should people complain to or about if not the creators of the product?

If the Mass Effect team ever decides to really engage us, rather than creating a "we are listening" thread then walking away, I nominate you as our spokesperson!

that is like saying "the moment politicians become honest I will get involved into politics"


 

 
Not gonna happen

[macrocarl]

I was cool with pre-EC and ecstatic post. I agree with the OP.

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If the Mass Effect team ever decides to really engage us, rather than creating a "we are listening" thread then walking away, I nominate you as our spokesperson!

that is like saying "the moment politicians become honest I will get involved into politics"


 

 
Not gonna happen

I did say "if"  I know it's not a realistic expectation

[crimzontearz]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

iakus wrote...

If the Mass Effect team ever decides to really engage us, rather than creating a "we are listening" thread then walking away, I nominate you as our spokesperson!

that is like saying "the moment politicians become honest I will get involved into politics"


 

 
Not gonna happen

I did say "if"  I know it's not a realistic expectation

meh....I just get more and more bitter while being on these forums

[Headcount]

iakus wrote...

If the Mass Effect team ever decides to really engage us, rather than creating a "we are listening" thread then walking away, I nominate you as our spokesperson!

+1


My faith in Bioware might be restored if DA3 is great from beginning to end. 
 
I'm saddened where things stand but I'm refusing to give Bioware another dime in preo-orders or DLC.  This mess shouldn't have happened but it did and how it came about is a mystery, although we have plenty of rumors who approved the original endings.  Although some people here overreacted the other side behaved just a badly which did nothing to calm things down.  After waiting five years, spending hundreds of hours and hundreds of dollars to finish this game, the original endings were crap and the EC just drowned it in sugar.

[dreman9999]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
 Don't give me that bull, Sheplyst isn't Shepards consciousness uploaded to an AI shell and you know it, scew it however you will, but there is no refuting that Sheplyst is not Shepard.

again, Dreman is right about this.A mind can be cyberized and yet be the same person.

Being a sycophant isn't going to make him any less incorrect.

It isn't the same person when the Ai clearly states that it is not the same person.

More like saying it's no longer human.

Here is a link to the video, I want you to quote one line where he says " I am commander Shepard" good luck because you aren't going to find it.
I however can show you several part of the video where it clearly state it is not Shepard.

I watched it many time. It's only saying it was human. It not saying it not the same person.

[dreman9999]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

FFS, there's no such thing 'Cyberization', Shepard IS DEAD. He disintergrated into dust, the new Catalyst is just a copy.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Alien

Yes, there is.

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

He tries so hard to make himself right lol

It is quite amusing, yes.

I also find mirth in observing the contortions he will go through to rationalize the irrational.

It's not irrational to think I have the final say if the reapers are used. The shepard ai is basicly the player.

I never downloaded the sprinkles DLC, but from videos I've seen of it, the Shep AI clearly state that it is not, in fact, Shepard, so no, you don't get any choice in the matter.

We have a winnar. In the same vein that in Halo-verse Cortana is not Halsey despite being a copy of her brain, Shepardlyst is not Shepard, and you don't get to decide what it does.

Cortana is not the thoughts and memories of Halsey uploaded and madei nto an AI. The shepard AI is the thoughts and meamories of Shepard uploades and made into an AI.

Next, look intothe conext of your points before using them. Cortana, an AI made via brain scans(clone of Halsey's brain scans that is), is not that same thing the thoughts and meamories of a being being uploaded and turned into an AI.

So you admit that Shepardlyst is merely a copy and not actually Shepard, as you're attempting to claim.

A person is not their thoughts and memories? Isn't who a person was dead if their thoughts and memories are dead?

Nice try thought.