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[dreman9999]

Sauron001 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes it is. Everything thing stated in ec says it is. 

Oh you mean " The man Shepard was" or  how it never refers to itself as Shepard?


Or how it says Shepard is dead, multiple times.

Was as in "what I was before" Shepard is no longer a man/woman...Not even human.

Seems people are refusing the cannon ending for control.... Sheparlyst clearly identifies itslef as something completely different his thoughts and who he was helped create the new AI but it is not Shepard otherwise he would be like.....

"Yo Guyzzz Ima reaper now!!!! I took over harbi's brain" Not trying to be a troll

It means it's no longer human...Not a different person.

[Isichar]

For me, faith is not something that can so easily be restored.

Bioware made some good decisions but a ton of bad decisions too, most of which are at least somewhat understandable. For me, the choice to stand by the endings but NOT have the creators engage in any meaningful conversations with the fans whatsoever definitely hurt their reputation far more then the original endings did, and the EC can't fix that.

Modifié par Isichar, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

No, because he is an AI now.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Kais Endac wrote...

For me the endings remain unchanged I feel exactly the same in the Original ending as the EC and that feeling is something like depression. Like my god I played all three game sunk hundreds of hours into this franchise and i get this EDI dead, the Geth Dead and my Shep half alive on the citadel.

I hate control and Synthesis as I don't really want my Shep to become a God like being or force synthesis on the entire galaxy. I would have been happy if the ending had not forced the sacrifices on me, throughout the entire game it is constantly pressed on you that millions of people are dying every day the ending did not need to force the player to commit genocide just to let his shep live.

That said I do like Mass effect 3 and have played it through several times however I have not nor will I ever like the ending I usually stop playing prior to priority earth and (as much as I loathe Head cannon) I simply make my own ending for my shep one where he does live and so do the geth and EDI plenty of people die in the final battle so I don't really see the need to kill the Geth or EDI. I do respect Bioware's decision though and will continue to buy their products even if I have come to dislike the endings especially the last two DA2 and ME3.

I know this is slightly off topic I just wanted to express my opinion and I understand there are people who like the endings. This is just my opinion (then again I have never really liked sacrificial or bittersweet endings) I don’t really want a super happy ending where everyone has a party and dances on the reaper corpses well into the night. To be honest all I wanted was a reunion scene between my Shep and his LI without having to imagine it.

Same

[Isichar]

dreman9999 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Indeed, he is no longer human, because he is dead.

No, because he is an AI now.

It directly refers to Shepard and itself as a seperate entity. "His/her thoughts guide me"

[dorktainian]

squee365 wrote...

Don't try to let these people bring you down. Most of them have really sad lives, it pointless to try and argue with them.

[MetioricTest]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I must admit it helped, but it hardly restored my faith. Kinda like a band-aid for a broken ankle, know what I mean?

Still, props for Bioware for at least doing SOMETHING.

This sums it up.

I'm glad they cared.  I just wish they cared more...

[dreman9999]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

Shepard is only shepard when he stays Shepard.
This control thing, is only an altered virtual version of Shepard.

As stated, has same personality, morals, memories, etc. so it can be argued that it's not altered as well.

I think the way you're using the word "it" to talk about it automatically makes it something else, not Shepard.
Will it have the same desires and personality as Shepard? No.

How can you say that? It has the same thoughts that does nto mean it won't have the same desires. It will not be held under the limits of an organic body, meaning it won't be held by the instincts that body need. That does not mean it personal desire of Shepard would not be the same.

[MegaSovereign]

Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:16 .

[crimzontearz]

MetioricTest wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I must admit it helped, but it hardly restored my faith. Kinda like a band-aid for a broken ankle, know what I mean?

Still, props for Bioware for at least doing SOMETHING.

This sums it up.

I'm glad they cared.  I just wish they cared more...

Some cared, they just were not in charge

[dreman9999]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...


A copy is not the original. Ever. Shepard is dead. This thing is not Shepard, but an avatar based on the morals and principles, but not the original.

*ModEdit: Image used as commentary removed as spam per Site Rule # 6*

Whoa man.

So what you are trying to say is that, even though Led Zeppelin isn't around anymore and Led Zepagain is based on their songs, they aren't actually Led Zeppelin?

Thats crazy stuff right there man.

Things that are based of things are not copies of that thing....Also, how do we know the Shepard AI is just a copy.

[Dominator24]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I must admit it helped, but it hardly restored my faith. Kinda like a band-aid for a broken ankle, know what I mean?

Still, props for Bioware for at least doing SOMETHING.

Exactly my feelings.

[dreman9999]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

*stares at apples intensely until notices theanswer is given*
You're talking about cloning, which I agree makes different things than original even if genetically identical. I'm talking about transhumanism, which had Shepard downloaded into new Catalyst but retaining everything that makes Shepard Shepard.

That doesn't matter, in the slightest.

Also Sheplyst says it isn't Shepard, so it isn't Shepard, drawing a picture wasn't simple enough so I'm just gonna fall back on good old fashion concrete, irefutable evidence.

I'm not defending Control anymore, now I'm talking about transhumanism and how it's a possibility for those who want to believe shepard is still Shepard.

Shepard is only shepard when he stays Shepard.
This control thing, is only an altered virtual version of Shepard.

As stated, has same personality, morals, memories, etc. so it can be argued that it's not altered as well.

I think the way you're using the word "it" to talk about it automatically makes it something else, not Shepard.
Will it have the same desires and personality as Shepard? No.

How can you say that? It has the same thoughts that does nto mean it won't have the same desires. It will not be held under the limits of an organic body, meaning it won't be held by the instincts that body need. That does not mean it personal desire of Shepard would not be the same.

I'm not even sure why we're talking about it.
As someone already stated even this virtual Shepard says he is no longer his former self.

Please, when has that been said in ec?

The shepard AI states"The man I was" not  "them an I 'm based off".

The problem with saying it's a copy is that you have to prove the ai is a copy. Nothing even hints to that. Only that the Shepard AI was human and now is not.

Tranfers like this already exsist in the meu.....
http://masseffect.wi...i/Virtual_Alien

We had a mind swap with this.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:30 .

[Rovay]

MegaSovereign wrote...

*Awsome picture snip*

Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

It's a miracle that the button has not broken yet from extensive overuse.

[Iakus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

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Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

[squee365]

3DandBeyond wrote...


Snip because holy wall of text

I have read everything people have posted. But its been so over aggregated and oversaturated now I'm just done hearing it. I've moved on, you should too. 
The fact that you wrote 3 huge paragraphs for my little sentence proves you care way too much. Move on, for the sake of yourself. 

Modifié par squee365, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

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Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

But he is spot on.

[garrusfan1]

Eh I wanted more emphasis on Shepard living so I would give EC a D- LOL

[garrusfan1]

Mega sovereign I liked that pic it sums it up good unfortunately. Seriously people I haven't been on the ME3 forum for a month and I come back and it is still 40% ending threads

[Henioo]

By the time EC came out I lost all my passion for the series.

It had the potential of resparking the passion, but it just didn't.

Modifié par Henioo, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:53 .

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

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Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

But he is spot on.

I hope your joking, because no one here basically said that

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

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Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

But he is spot on.

I hope your joking, because no one here basically said that

It not a statement meaning they(you)said that vey insult...It's the fact that they did come into the topic and made insults.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

::image removed::


Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

But he is spot on.

I hope your joking, because no one here basically said that

It not a statement meaning they(you)said that vey insult...It's the fact that they did come into the topic and made insults.

Most I seen was people agreeing and disagreeing with their opinion, people agruing with you (as always), and a couple people (who liked the ending) start with the insults

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

::image removed::


Sums up this thread quite nicely unfortunately...

Stay classy, man

But he is spot on.

I hope your joking, because no one here basically said that

It not a statement meaning they(you)said that vey insult...It's the fact that they did come into the topic and made insults.

Most I seen was people agreeing and disagreeing with their opinion, people agruing with you (as always), and a couple people (who liked the ending) start with the insults

It's there if you look.