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The extended cut was free, and you're saying it was the equivalent of thousands of dollars of surgery being botched. 


You seem to think I made that analogy to crap on BioWare. I love the Extended Cut. I think it's unfair to categorize the EC as merely applying a band-aid to a severed arm or something, because there are some issues it legitimately fixed. Therefore, my analogy shows how it fixed some things but not others.

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A more apt analogy would be a team of doctors deciding not to help a number of patients in discomfort because they know better and the patients are whiny entitled brats who cannot possibly be feeling in pain if the physicians say otherwise.....while conversely aiding other people and listening to them

Or better yet, it,s an open ended injury, if you choose not to feel pain you will not

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crimzontearz wrote...

A more apt analogy would be a team of doctors deciding not to help a number of patients in discomfort because they know better and the patients are whiny entitled brats who cannot possibly be feeling in pain if the physicians say otherwise.....while conversely aiding other people and listening to them

Or better yet, it,s an open ended injury, if you choose not to feel pain you will not



You're in surgery and the doctors messed up proper on what was meant to be a straight forward and perfectly easy procedure.
You can choose to either experience the damage they done or use gas to sleep.

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I understand your points but the EC is way better than what we had originally in my opinion. EC and Leviathan answered pretty much all my questions, which is what i took issue with the original endings.



Most of my questions weer like that as well and I also agree it does provied enough closure for in terms of the story. I weouldn't say it was perfect biut to behonest these days rarely anything is

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The EC just adds a nice shine to the turd of an ending we were given.

And as we all know... A shiney turd is still a piece of s***!

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.

I'd be surprised to see anymore DLC.


DLC is often planned in advance, though the fans do have on influence on it.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.

I'd be surprised to see anymore DLC.


DLC is often planned in advance, though the fans do have on influence on it.


Doesn't mean it will be worked on, I would be surprised if any new DLC was worked on after ME3.

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I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.


Care to back that up with anything?

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CronoDragoon wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.


Care to back that up with anything?


- No sale figures been released
- Other older DLC's on the market sold better and continued to sell better even initially when Leviathan was released.

At best I would estimate perhaps 10000 people purchased it.

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.


Care to back that up with anything?


- No sale figures been released
- Other older DLC's on the market sold better and continued to sell better even initially when Leviathan was released.

At best I would estimate perhaps 10000 people purchased it.


Comparing  Leviathan sales to other games' DLC does not tell us whether or not it "sold well." You need to compare it to other ME DLC and BioWare's expectations for the DLC. We know it sold the best out of ME DLC, but we don't know if this would apply had Shadow Broker not been included with the PS2 ME2. We also don't know BioWare's expectations for the DLC, so it's useless to speculate on that front, as well.

In other words, all we know is it sold the best out of all ME DLC. That tells us it didn't tank, but it doesn't tell us the sales surpassed or failed expectations.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:31 .


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so it's useless to speculate on that front, as well.

In other words, all we know is it sold the best out of all ME DLC.


Actually we don't, you're speculating that it sold better than ME2 DLC.
You said it was useless to speculate yet you do it anyway.

Modifié par A Bethesda Fan, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:34 .


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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.

I'd be surprised to see anymore DLC.


DLC is often planned in advance, though the fans do have on influence on it.


Doesn't mean it will be worked on, I would be surprised if any new DLC was worked on after ME3.


For the record, I'm agreeing with you.

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CronoDragoon wrote...

so it's useless to speculate on that front, as well.

In other words, all we know is it sold the best out of all ME DLC.


Actually we don't, you're speculating that it sold better than ME2 DLC.
You said it was useless to speculate yet you do it anyway.


Because we do know it sold better than ME2 DLC. That is not speculating.

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Yeah. It definitely sold better than ME2 dlc. In fact I think I recall one of the BW employees saying it was their best selling dlc to date.....



People are in denial

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CronoDragoon wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

so it's useless to speculate on that front, as well.

In other words, all we know is it sold the best out of all ME DLC.


Actually we don't, you're speculating that it sold better than ME2 DLC.
You said it was useless to speculate yet you do it anyway.


Because we do know it sold better than ME2 DLC. That is not speculating.


Sales figures please.

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CronoDragoon wrote...

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CronoDragoon wrote...

so it's useless to speculate on that front, as well.

In other words, all we know is it sold the best out of all ME DLC.


Actually we don't, you're speculating that it sold better than ME2 DLC.
You said it was useless to speculate yet you do it anyway.


Because we do know it sold better than ME2 DLC. That is not speculating.


Care to back that up with anything?
I was just joking about 10000 sales estimate, it is probably 5/6 times that.

Modifié par A Bethesda Fan, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:46 .


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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.
Omega is been released because it was been worked on long before Mass effect 3 was released.

I'd be surprised to see anymore DLC.


Do you have statistics or an official source or are you just talking out of your backside?

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

I just wanna touch on Omega been released is not a sign Leviathan sold well, because it didn't sell well.

I'd be surprised to see anymore DLC.


Do you have statistics or an official source or are you just talking out of your backside?


An intelligent observation.

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Created about 18 hours ago...
Like many of you I was dissatisfied with the original endings but after just finishing the extended cut my faith in Bioware is restored. I even started a second playthrough and can't wait for Omega to come. Thank you Bioware for your commitment to the fanbase and for the countless hours of enjoyment you have given me.

EC was released months ago - any particular reason you've chosen to share this with us just now?

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Balz to the Wall wrote...

I understand your points but the EC is way better than what we had originally in my opinion. EC and Leviathan answered pretty much all my questions, which is what i took issue with the original endings.


You say this as though putrid roadkill wouldn't have been better than the original.

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The Omega DLC started production *during the development of ME 3*. All the signs are there; Aria being on the Citadel, some war assets defined but not linked in, etc. etc.

It was very likely *supposed* to be the first DLC released, but Casey's poor judgement regarding the endings meant they had to put *two* other DLCs ahead of it. The EC to stop the financial bleeding and the Leviathan to address the sheer stupidity of the Catalyst as it first appeared.

So yes, fan reaction does have an effect on DLC.

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Well since we're discussing leviathan's sales or lack thereof this is what I posted in a previous thread the other day in response to a post that said because Omega existed Leviathan must have done well.

ld1449 wrote...


You do realise that Omega was already 80 percent done. Half of Aria's dialogue is in the campaign to begin with as it stands. Omega is little more than content they did not have time to finish or cut from the game to sell later.

Even if DLC sales were abyssmal and not just Mediocre, which they most likely are, putting in the final touchups to this content to sell at 15 bucks apice would be somewhat worth it since it was mostly finished to begin with.

Because it was supposed to be part of the vanilla game it would account for the size (twice as big supposedly) and the release timeframe , with barely three months between it and leviathan, and even that might be because of Microsoft's schedule regarding DLC more than the time needed to finish it. Normally they announce DLC's a week before they appear, not an entire month in advance.

With AC3 coming out, Dark souls getting its first DLC, Halo 4 and several other releases around the end of oct/begining of nov. Microsoft because of their policies may have told them it was too late to book an october or early nov. release, so they just up and announced it for late nov.

Don't take Omega's existence as evidence, its flimsy at best, even DA2 had two very large pieces of DLC, and its DLC sales were abhorrent, even without a massive controversy surrounding it.


That's my take on it anyway

Modifié par ld1449, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .


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Ohh look out it's the flock of doom predictions!!!!!!

Ohhhh it'll sell badly!!!!!
OOOHHHHHH Bioware will go bankrupt!!!
Oooohhhhh they lied about the figures of DLC being sold!!!!
Ooooohhh I will never buy anything Bioware related!!!!!!
Ooooohhhh the end of EA is nigh!!!

Hahahah these guys and their lack of power to move on just makes me laugh...they used to make me angry now they just make me sad.

It's good to play a game and that it impacts your life in a certain way...but when you cross the line and the game becomes your life like some many of these guys here complaining about every little thing they hated...then it's more like time to see a shrink...

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N7 Lisbeth wrote...

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Seriously people I haven't been on the ME3 forum for a month and I come back and it is still 40% ending threads


It sounds like Bioware still hasn't fixed the endings people are upset about. Oh, that's right, they haven't.

Up until last week, Chris Priestly said he was open to the idea of DLC changing the ending provided there was interest in it. Last week he closed the One Last Plea thread and insisted never. So yeah, with him not only absolutely denying ever changing it, he also locked a few threads where people congregated to discuss alternate solutions so now they're posting everywhere instead of in one place. It's like he thinks we'll just magically disappear if they say it like that. <Snorts>

Bioware has gone on the record as saying they wanted a controversy, that's why they created the endings. Are you really that surprised that they got controversy?


Yes he closed it after saying that Shepard dying OR living was not ambiguous and after saying that the "team" was open to changing their minds.  Seems like ambiguity is a way of life for some people.

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Yes he closed it after saying that Shepard dying OR living was not ambiguous and after saying that the "team" was open to changing their minds.  Seems like ambiguity is a way of life for some people.


Yep.  It's not ambiguous because it could go either way.  

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