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[xsdob]

I'm sensing a lack of empathy here from reading the comments.

Empathy for bioware or fellow fans. Oh well, it was inevitable for all fanbases.

[CronoDragoon]

xsdob wrote...

I'm sensing a lack of empathy here from reading the comments.

Empathy for bioware or fellow fans. Oh well, it was inevitable for all fanbases.

It's easy to be apathetic when you don't have to look someone in the eye or fear a punch to the mouth for being an ass.

[KiwiQuiche]

CronoDragoon wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I'm sensing a lack of empathy here from reading the comments.

Empathy for bioware or fellow fans. Oh well, it was inevitable for all fanbases.

It's easy to be apathetic when you don't have to look someone in the eye or fear a punch to the mouth for being an ass.

Oh have Casey and co crawled out of that hole that they confined themselves in for six months or so? Kinda hard to talk to someone who's in hiding.

[CronoDragoon]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh have Casey and co crawled out of that hole that they confined themselves in for six months or so? Kinda hard to talk to someone who's in hiding.

Mac was at the last ME event. No incidents reported. Weird, eh?

[CronoDragoon]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

He is a liar, history backs that up.

What history?

[Calamity]

 I'm still bleeding out under the rubble...

[Kel Riever]

It doesn't even matter.  Chris is a fairly good moderator.  He's biased for his company, der, which is NOT a problem.  I mean, really, who else are they going to get for the boards?  Yes, more unhappy posts about ME get shut down than pro ones, and that's all part of the biase of company web sites.
But seriously, when you take people who work for a company on a pay or voluntary basis at face value, you are just being silly.  At a minimum they are biased, even if you were to take everything they say as true.  You don't have to deny Leviathan did well in sales or not.  But to cite your source as what a guy at a company said...LOL.  You can't even believe public press releases for companies.  Why would you believe what one employee says on a forum?
Oh, I know, the magical vetting police make sure that companies always say the truth...and when they don't, they fly down on wings and edit them so you can believe everything they say. 

Back to the topic at hand...if we can even get there.  OP says his faith is restored.  I have to say he's one of the few.  Faith for most people was already there and they like everything hands down, it seems, or there was no way the EC was going to rescue it given it was a big explanation with slides rather than actually fixing what they consider wrong with it.

[dorktainian]

dont believe the hype.

[ld1449]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Oh have Casey and co crawled out of that hole that they confined themselves in for six months or so? Kinda hard to talk to someone who's in hiding.

Mac was at the last ME event. No incidents reported. Weird, eh?

Of which there was no video, and no mentioning that he would even be there, and even then I still heard he got plenty of dirty looks.

Let him show up at something big like the SDCC and report no incidents there.

[AlanC9]

Kel Riever wrote...

Back to the topic at hand...if we can even get there.  OP says his faith is restored.  I have to say he's one of the few.  Faith for most people was already there and they like everything hands down, it seems, or there was no way the EC was going to rescue it given it was a big explanation with slides rather than actually fixing what they consider wrong with it.

Well, I wouldn't quite describe the first group like that. If you think the original ending fell flat because it didn't really show what happened, or why Normandy left Sol, etc., then the EC made things much better. And a couple of ending interpretations -- nova theory and all-tech-destroyed theory -- were ruled out, which is a good thing since these were bad interpretations (in both senses).

But yes, for people who hated the entire concept of the endings, the EC offered..... nothing? Not much, anyway.

[Kel Riever]

Honestly, AlanC9, I think BioWare could have satisfied both crowds...the people who liked the endings and those who didn't. No, not everyone would like it, but a heckuva lot more. As I've mentioned, one of the distinct complaints about the endings is the failed logic of starbrat. But even if you left him in (and that's just an awful thing in my book, but lets say you did), since his logic is so skewed, you need to make choices that are actually choices and lead to vastly different outcomes. Those are the complaints I hear about the most from ending haters and I agree with them. 1 ) no logic, and 2 ) since you gave me no logic, you also didn't give me a choice that was satisfactory, even if you were going to end the Shepard story.

[AlanC9]

Synthesis isn't vastly different from Destroy? Isn't a choice?

I guess I'm not really following you.

[MegaSovereign]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's really not hard to make profit off of DLC.

They're essentially selling the equivalent of 1/20 of the main game for 1/6 of the full game's price.

1/20?

This game is pretty short, you could lower it down to 1/15 or less.
They would probably need to sell over 100,000 to make a profit.

I'm not measuring it by length. I'm considering the assets and the budget gone into creating the DLC. Your estimates continue to come off as ass pulls.

[Kel Riever]

AlanC9 wrote...

Synthesis isn't vastly different from Destroy? Isn't a choice?

I guess I'm not really following you.

So, again, jumping over the very first, and most glaring flaw of the starbrat being completely inconsistent even within the context of Mass Effect 3's story (which makes anything after that being called a choice just nonsense), we are presented with 3 'choices,' all of which have the exact same result.  The answer, therefore is, no, Synthesis is not vastly  different from Destroy.  Maybe, other than that it is clearly the most nonsense choice, even over destroy.

The end result is the same...BioWare wants you to be dead (even though they put the breath scene in there, they felt the need to defy medical science and say it could be a dying breath...damn, some people are so stupid), and regardless you never reunite with your crew.  Unless you want to headcannon that.  The universe is one big happy family, but with different slides.  Which means Geth and EDI aren't around in Destroy, and they are in synthesis.  But the fact that it makes no sense why they are actually gone in destroy makes that also ludicrous.  Gee, starbrat, do you think with all that technology, you could actually figure out how to shut down the reapers without shutting down the Geth and EDI?  Yeah, you could.  So it is pure writing stupidity which would say otherwise.  There is literally no difference in the result of any ending as a choice in a way that makes any sense whatsoever, even if you swallow the puke that starbrat says is the reason you have to make a choice in the first place.

Refuse might be a choice...if you want to call it that, if it wasn't so obvious it was a way for BioWare to give the middle finger to its fans who didn't like what they wrote.  Or, even if I was completely naive and thought it was some sort of acknowledgement of those who didn't accept the endings, it should have, at least, realized how completely insulting it was.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 16 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .

[Kais Endac]

For me the EC fixed nothing, the issues that I had with the ending remain the same. However I still like and play the game and I will continue to buy Bioware games even though the last two games have not been perfect, they are still some of the most enjoyable games I have played. I will never like the endings but everyone is different and shouting and insulting people or Bioware does nothing to solve whatever issue you have with the game and just spreads a lot of hate around.

Since i joined BSN I have mostly lurked in the background only posting on things I feel strongly about. I must have only posted on boards about 10 times and to be honest I can see both side of the argument the fact remains however that Bioware employees put a lot of time and effort into these games and the good that they have achieved has been forgotten by some and instead they have suffered abuse and hate from their fans.

I am not trying to insult anyone though I just wanted to state my opinion.

[pgcis136]

Jawsomebob wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Yea, no.
The EC is like a Report Card that had 4 F's on it. And then Extra Credit got 3 F's and a D.

THIS

yup.

[CronoDragoon]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

He is a liar, history backs that up.

What history?

His history of comments.

What history of comments?

[Lincoln MuaDib]

I have faith that BioWare CAN make a good game. (I liked the EC endings- original were horse vomit).

BUT.

I have no faith that BioWare know what their fan base want. It took Epic Nerd Rage for them to realize they had a problem.

I'm never, ever preordering any BioWare game again.

I just can't trust them to make the game they promise any more.

[Han Shot First]

MegaSovereign wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Twitter=/= official press release

He said it on the BSN. You know, BioWare's official forums.

In response to 3D, I am not arguing that Leviathan is better than Shadow Broker, only that it sold more. And I even noted the asterisk in my post that SB may well have outsold Levi if PS3 users had been charged for it. I just think it's ridiculous that people are claiming it did not sell well.

Maybe for ME2, but this is a bad game that lots of old fans hate.
It was these fans that bought the DLC for ME2, if they do not buy it for ME3 then the DLC won't sell as well.

Chris Priestly had no reason to post. He's the only source we have on the how well Leviathan sold. You can call him a liar if you want but concluding that Leviathan sold poorly is an ass-pull. Simple as that.

Pretty much.

[Kel Riever]

Its an ass pull either way. It may sound like a person is making a judgement pro- or anti- BioWare, but really, people don't know and they can't know and that is that.

[CronoDragoon]

Kel Riever wrote...

Its an ass pull either way. It may sound like a person is making a judgement pro- or anti- BioWare, but really, people don't know and they can't know and that is that.

Not an ass-pull when you can use BW as a source. You can claim they are lying, but that doesn't relegate it to an ass-pull.

[Kel Riever]

No, it is an ass pull when your source is the company. It is the same ass pull.

Seriously, go to the car salesman example I used. Do yourself a favor and take someone else more level headed with you when you buy a car if you have that attitude.

I think the ending sucks but that has nothing to do with believing or not believing a company. It is an ass pull to say they did sell lots of Leviathan DLC or that they didn't because you don't know and have no source other than some moderator telling you from the company.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 16 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .