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[Shepard108278]

Hexley UK wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...



For every 1 person who complains 26 feel the same but stay silent...opinion.

Fixed.

Orly?

"Waiting for feedback to arrive on its own is a perilous, non-strategy. Research firm TARP has found that for every person who complains, there are 26 who do not. That means if 10 customers complain, another 260 may have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are thinking, ask them."

www.creatingcustomerevangelists.com/resources/columnsarticles/fight_the_fear.asp

"Research has found that for every person that complains, 26 others don’t. So, if 10 customers have complained recently to your company, another 260 may have held their tongues while turning to your competitors. Properly conducted research many times acts as a feedback machine designed to root out these people’s thoughts."

marketing.about.com/od/marketingtools/a/listenresearch_2.htm

"The opposite approach to proactively gathering customer feedback-waiting for it arrive on its own-is fraught with peril. Research has found that for every person who complains, there are 26 who do not. That means if you have 1,000 customers and 100 of them complain, another 260 may have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are thinking, we must ask."

www.peoplepulse.com.au/Customer-Feedback.htm

Well established fact.

That research is as valid as any small group study but I see your point I still dissagree.

Bottom line is 91% of 75k people on this forum hated the ending, if those estimated figures in the study are accurate that's roughly 2 million unsatisfied customers.

Hardly a minority and rather a scary number as far as Bioware are concerned.

Pre EC that percent might be accurate but not after. And that's a big IF. I would say a high number don't like it fair enough I do as do many others you don't fine lets just agree to dissagree and leave it at that.

[thefallen2far]

I think it helped some people, but it was still an uneventful dissappoinment. It was an experience with a horribly ineffective conclusion, and undermines the themes and concepts of the rest of the series. Overall, in the future, it'll be remembered as "the horrble ending" even with the EC, which is a shame because th redst of it was really good.

[Shepard108278]

thefallen2far wrote...

I think it helped some people, but it was still an uneventful dissappoinment. It was an experience with a horribly ineffective conclusion, and undermines the themes and concepts of the rest of the series. Overall, in the future, it'll be remembered as "the horrble ending" even with the EC, which is a shame because th redst of it was really good.

I hope not. The whole series is good and I'd hate for it to become like that.

[Hexley UK]

Shepard108278 wrote...

thefallen2far wrote...

I think it helped some people, but it was still an uneventful dissappoinment. It was an experience with a horribly ineffective conclusion, and undermines the themes and concepts of the rest of the series. Overall, in the future, it'll be remembered as "the horrble ending" even with the EC, which is a shame because th redst of it was really good.

I hope not. The whole series is good and I'd hate for it to become like that.

It already is like that...go check out the message sections for the "No more Shepard" news on Gamespot, Gamespy, 1UP among others......it's almost nothing but people ripping on ME3 and it's ending.

[Shepard108278]

Hexley UK wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

thefallen2far wrote...

I think it helped some people, but it was still an uneventful dissappoinment. It was an experience with a horribly ineffective conclusion, and undermines the themes and concepts of the rest of the series. Overall, in the future, it'll be remembered as "the horrble ending" even with the EC, which is a shame because th redst of it was really good.

I hope not. The whole series is good and I'd hate for it to become like that.

It already is like that...go check out the message sections for the "No more Shepard" news on Gamespot, Gamespy, 1UP among others......it's almost nothing but people ripping on ME3 and it's ending.

I know because like I said most people who like it are tired of defending it. Moaners never cease.

[Reorte]

Shepard108278 wrote...

I know because like I said most people who like it are tired of defending it. Moaners never cease.

Another one trying the "dismiss instead of address" approach.

[Shepard108278]

Reorte wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

I know because like I said most people who like it are tired of defending it. Moaners never cease.

Another one trying the "dismiss instead of address" approach.

i'm not dismissing anything. Us who like it are tired of being called "BIo Drone" and the like so we leave you maoners never shut up.

[Sovereign330]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

The responses in this thread are why we can't have nice things.

[DadeLeviathan]

The EC made the ending better. It made it palatable, and now I will eventually start a new playthrough of ME3 once I get around to it. But that doesn't mean it made the ending good. It's like putting a ton of sugar and cream in some really horrible coffee. It's still horrible coffee, you've just used sugar and cream to cover up that fact.

With that said, however, I still think that the ending of ME3 is going to go down as one of the biggest gaming dissapointments of this generation, and certainly be counted as one of the worst game endings of all time. It will be up there with Dragon Age 2, Diablo 3, Fable, etc in terms of dissapointments. No, it's not a bad game. But with how many people hated the ending, I don't think that ME3 will ever regain its shimmer. ME2 and ME1 will forever be remembered as great, and ME3 will be rememebred as "The one that tried, but couldn't." 

Honestly, it's time to move on from that. Continue playing ME3 (if that's your thing) and just come to peace with the fact that the ending isn't going to be getting any better.

Modifié par DadeLeviathan, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:46 .

[Shepard108278]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

The EC made the ending better. It made it palatable, and now I will eventually start a new playthrough of ME3 once I get around to it. But that doesn't mean it made the ending good. It's like putting a ton of sugar and cream in some really horrible coffee. It's still horrible coffee, you've just used sugar and cream to cover up that fact.

With that said, however, I still think that the ending of ME3 is going to go down as one of the biggest gaming dissapointments of this generation, and certainly be counted as one of the worst game endings of all time. It will be up there with Dragon Age 2, Diablo 3, Fable, etc in terms of dissapointments. No, it's not a bad game. But with how many people hated the ending, I don't think that ME3 will ever regain its shimmer. ME2 and ME1 will forever be remembered as great, and ME3 will be rememebred as "The one that tried, but couldn't." 

Honestly, it's time to move on from that. Continue playing ME3 (if that's your thing) and just come to peace with the fact that the ending isn't going to be getting any better.

While i respect your opinion i don't agree about the ending but i do agree that is likely what will happen. At least i know i and others enjoy it and in the end that's what matters.

[rekn2]

deus ex machina, new antagonist introduced 5 minutes before the end...ya know i had a whole list i was gonna type, to damn lazy. those 2 are enough to fail a 6th grade english class

[Hexley UK]

rekn2 wrote...

deus ex machina, new antagonist introduced 5 minutes before the end...ya know i had a whole list i was gonna type, to damn lazy. those 2 are enough to fail a 6th grade english class

I think my sig says it quite eloquently -

ME3 = The worst ending in narrative history combining the same limitation of theme as Lost, the same introduction of a theme unrelated to the rest of the plot as the Architect from the Matrix, the same undermining of the previous established concepts of the Phantom Menace, the failed attempt at a twist ending of M.Night Shyamalan's The Happening and the inaccurate assumption of the audience's willingness to "go along with it" of Batman & Robin.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 21 octobre 2012 - 04:25 .

[Spectre Impersonator]

How is your faith restored? They still lied about the final product and have yet to answer any fan questions regarding these lies. Look for less choice and more railroading in the future, those of you who plan to keep giving Bioware your money.

[Hexley UK]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

How is your faith restored? They still lied about the final product and have yet to answer any fan questions regarding these lies. Look for less choice and more railroading in the future, those of you who plan to keep giving Bioware your money.

God no, not unless a future DLC fixes the ending or ME4 literally starts off with Shepard in the rubble ready to finish the job properly.

[neilthecellist]

Yeah, no, the ending still sucks, the game is still incomplete. Not buying anymore BioWare games, and no way in hell will I buy any Bioware points anymore.

[rekn2]

whats the IP of the OP, he a bw employee?

[Spectre Impersonator]

Hexley UK wrote...

JohnShepard12 wrote...

How is your faith restored? They still lied about the final product and have yet to answer any fan questions regarding these lies. Look for less choice and more railroading in the future, those of you who plan to keep giving Bioware your money.

God no, not unless a future DLC fixes the ending or ME4 literally starts off with Shepard in the rubble ready to finish the job properly.

No one at Bioware has the courage to put something so simple in. They say they give their fans what they want but it's crap. They're too proud to give in.

[rekn2]

what irritates me most is they claim artistic integrity and they have no integrity. when EA was ****in and trying to get you all to hurry up STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. you think they can code this? you want to be an artist then act like it. execs pushing you around on your project? then WALK. if you dont youll be laid off any way and good luck finding a job in the same field after this.

[CronoDragoon]

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

It's an opinion, it is your problem if you interpreting it as a fact.
IRL everything I say is an opinion, I don't see why this would be any different.
Unless I state something as being  true or fact, again I don't see why this would be any different.
You're merely confusing a debating language with factual language.

Oh? In real life everything you say is an opinion? Really?

Situation A: You see a movie and say it is bad.
Situation B: You say the Rotten Tomatoes rating of a movie is 8%.

Situation A is inherently opinionated. Situation B is either true or false, and therefore is not inherently opinionated. It either is the case or it is not. Therefore, any statement of the Situation B variety needs to be backed up with proof, for example linking the Rotten Tomatoes page that shows 8% for that movie.

This is your problem because the entirety of your posts have been generic statements with nothing to back them up. Not only does that make you a bad debater, it makes you irrelevant to any opinionated conversation, as well. You are contributing nothing. For example:

Chris priestly is a liar, he made many comments that were just plain wrong and lies.
To state that he was not a liar would be incorrect, I guess it is part of his job to spread bulls**t.

I have now asked you multiple times to provide examples, and you haven't. Therefore, your uneducated opinion - since it is clear that is all you have - is irrelevant.

I know you're a serious bio - drone, but even you sure be able to know this, put your trollish ways behind you and quit ignoring the truth.
It's really just my opinion of his history, I evaluate him to be a liar, if you confuse my language to be as me stating facts then that is really your problem.

That depends on how you look at something being "my problem." It's my problem in the sense that I am taking the time to explain basic supporting evidence principles to someone. It's your problem in the sense that you have no clue how to support or even present an opinion respectively. Unless you show your reasons for believing something, then you are irrelevant. Period.

And Bio-Drone, really? After I was a Retaker and now that I repeatedly voice my dissatisfaction about the current Destroy ending and still wish for further improvements? Oh, but wait, clearly people who don't agree with you on this board do so because they are paid by BioWare, not because you don't post anything approaching an informed opinion.

It's only Bioware's view that it sold the best out of any DLC, I don't use opinions to make judgements.
I have good estimate that it sold less, Bioware doesn't have anything other than a statement which is probably a lie given their recent history.

"Only" BioWare's view. classic.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Hexley UK]

CronoDragoon wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

It's an opinion, it is your problem if you interpreting it as a fact.
IRL everything I say is an opinion, I don't see why this would be any different.
Unless I state something as being  true or fact, again I don't see why this would be any different.
You're merely confusing a debating language with factual language.

Oh? In real life everything you say is an opinion? Really?

Situation A: You see a movie and say it is bad.
Situation B: You say the Rotten Tomatoes rating of a movie is 8%.

Situation A is inherently opinionated. Situation B is either true or false, and therefore is not inherently opinionated. It either is the case or it is not. Therefore, any statement of the Situation B variety needs to be backed up with proof, for example linking the Rotten Tomatoes page that shows 8% for that movie.

This is your problem because the entirety of your posts have been generic statements with nothing to back them up. Not only does that make you a bad debater, it makes you irrelevant to any opinionated conversation, as well. You are contributing nothing. For example:

Chris priestly is a liar, he made many comments that were just plain wrong and lies.
To state that he was not a liar would be incorrect, I guess it is part of his job to spread bulls**t.

I have now asked you multiple times to provide examples, and you haven't. Therefore, your uneducated opinion - since it is clear that is all you have - is irrelevant.

I know you're a serious bio - drone, but even you sure be able to know this, put your trollish ways behind you and quit ignoring the truth.
It's really just my opinion of his history, I evaluate him to be a liar, if you confuse my language to be as me stating facts then that is really your problem.

That depends on how you look at something being "my problem." It's my problem in the sense that I am taking the time to explain basic supporting evidence principles to someone. It's your problem in the sense that you have no clue how to support or even present an opinion respectively. Unless you show your reasons for believing something, then you are irrelevant. Period.

And Bio-Drone, really? After I was a Retaker and now that I repeatedly voice my dissatisfaction about the current Destroy ending and still wish for further improvements? Oh, but wait, clearly people who don't agree with you on this board do so because they are paid by BioWare, not because you don't post anything approaching an informed opinion.

It's only Bioware's view that it sold the best out of any DLC, I don't use opinions to make judgements.
I have good estimate that it sold less, Bioware doesn't have anything other than a statement which is probably a lie given their recent history.

"Only" BioWare's view. classic.

Well surely by your own logic Chris' statement that it has sold the best needs data to back it up no? Otherwise it's just a generic statement.....

[CronoDragoon]

Hexley UK wrote...

Well surely by your own logic Chris' statement that it has sold the best needs data to back it up no? Otherwise it's just a generic statement.....

As if data would change people's minds that have already decided BioWare is lying. If Chris saying it sold the best doesn't cut it, why would Chris posting data showing this cut it?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

I know because like I said most people who like it are tired of defending it. Moaners never cease.

Another one trying the "dismiss instead of address" approach.

i'm not dismissing anything. Us who like it are tired of being called "BIo Drone" and the like so we leave you maoners never shut up.

Eh, if we can handle being called haters by kotoreffect 24/7 you can handle being called out on drone -ness.

Little thing called dedication, we truly beleive in what ME 3 was promised to be, and we still want it to be that game.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

rekn2 wrote...

deus ex machina, new antagonist introduced 5 minutes before the end...ya know i had a whole list i was gonna type, to damn lazy. those 2 are enough to fail a 6th grade english class

The sad thing is, one could argue that the catalkid replaced Shepard in the last few minutes as the PROtagonist, at least in the original ending, all forward narrative momentum is coming from it, he shows up with the answer to all of Shepard's problems and ultimately lets Shepard defeat the reapers.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Well surely by your own logic Chris' statement that it has sold the best needs data to back it up no? Otherwise it's just a generic statement.....

As if data would change people's minds that have already decided BioWare is lying. If Chris saying it sold the best doesn't cut it, why would Chris posting data showing this cut it?

How about BioWare posting official numbers instead of relying on CP...err Preistly.......anywho, a generic statement =/= official numbers, it is hard to argue against actual hard fact, not so much so a statement made by someone whose job it is to hype his company's game.

[MegaSovereign]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

I know because like I said most people who like it are tired of defending it. Moaners never cease.

Another one trying the "dismiss instead of address" approach.

i'm not dismissing anything. Us who like it are tired of being called "BIo Drone" and the like so we leave you maoners never shut up.

Eh, if we can handle being called haters by kotoreffect 24/7 you can handle being called out on drone -ness.

Little thing called dedication, we truly beleive in what ME 3 was promised to be, and we still want it to be that game.

Or the best case scenario:

Everyone stops the name-calling and the dividing of factions? And just let their arguments speak for themselves?