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[dreman9999]

clennon8 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

clennon8 wrote...

If being forced to choose a heinous war crime and/or murder your friends was truly "the point" of the the Mass Effect series, then Bioware can truly go eff themselves.

The overall question is "What are you willing to do and sacrific to stop an unstopable force".

Think how that question stands when your force to pic immoral choices only to have to stop this unstopable force from destroying all advance organic life.

"How low will you sink?" was not the theme of the Mass Effect series.  It was the theme of the last 10 minutes. Frankly, I don't think there's any ending you wouldn't defend.  You are a drone.

It not how low you can sink. It what your willing to do ......Ifyou want a high an noble path, get over yourself and pick control.
If you absolutely have to kill off the reapers, pick destory. This is war...Honor and dignaty go out the window in extreme war and you do want you must to win or servive.

[clennon8]

Drone.

[The_Other_M]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Yea, no.
The EC is like a Report Card that had 4 F's on it. And then Extra Credit got 3 F's and a D.

^^That's probably the best analogy I've heard on the endings thus far.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

That why choice matters. If you picked refused...What do you think will happen. If you want her to live, get over your morals and ego. Remeber, the question of the seris is what you are willing to do and sacrific to stop an unstopable force. unstopable 

No.

I don't play video games to indulge my inner sociopath.  The real world is bad enough without it intruding into my fantasy worlds.  I play video games to get the job done and go home.  Not to commit war crimes for teh greater good.

[Ghost]

clennon8 wrote...

Combat Drone.

Fixed.

[Ticonderoga117]

The_Other_M wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Yea, no.
The EC is like a Report Card that had 4 F's on it. And then Extra Credit got 3 F's and a D.

^^That's probably the best analogy I've heard on the endings thus far.

Then the report card caught fire, but you felt somewhat nice inside while it burned to ashes though.

[Jamie9]

"How far will you go to end it?"

Tagline for Omega.

[clennon8]

I should get over myself and choose the option I just spent the entire game trying to convince TIM was a fool's errand. And then praise Bioware for their artistic integrity in ripping off Deus Ex.

[AresKeith]

Jamie9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Part of me also said some of the problem came from the Narrative Director leaving after ME2

Unrefutable, pretty much. Karpyshyn's three novels were great, and then Dietz wrote Deception, and... yeah. Not good.

Drew wasn't the Narrative Director, I was talking about Armando Troisi. He also left Bioware after ME2 and went to work on Halo 4

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I also hate it when people (who hate the endings) call supporters "Drones." Just because they have a different opinion doesn't mean they do for BioWare's own sake. They liked it because they chose to like it. It wasn't in favor of the Devs.

[Jamie9]

AresKeith wrote...
Drew wasn't the Narrative Director, I was talking about Armando Troisi. He also left Bioware after ME2 and went to work on Halo 4

Derp. I knew that. I just lack basic reading comprehension.

You've also just reminded me to avoid Halo 4 spoilers. Thanks!

[clennon8]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I also hate it when people (who hate the endings) call supporters "Drones." Just because they have a different opinion doesn't mean they do for BioWare's own sake. They liked it because they chose to like it. It wasn't in favor of the Devs.

Says someone who on the 2nd page of this thread referred to the "people (who hate the endings)" as "spoiled children" who should stop "whining."

Modifié par clennon8, 15 octobre 2012 - 04:07 .

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And you missed my point....You see if you like the character...You don't want them to die. The fact that the only way to make sure they don't die is to pick one of these choices you don't like. If you want them to live...Something has to be sacrificed.

ME3 doesnt' even do that.  You get "implications" that Shepard lives.  Unlike the deaths, which are shown.

You commit a war crime for an implication.  Not a good tradeoff.

Even if your just focused on teh characters, the characters fate ties into the plot. If you want them to live, you may have to get over your morals so they don't die.

That's not a good tagline for a video game.  Just saying.

"ME3 doesnt' even do that.  You get "implications" that Shepard lives.  Unlike the deaths, which are shown."

I'm talking about you squad mates anc crew not shepard.

"You commit a war crime for an implication.  Not a good tradeoff."

This is war. The question is what your willing to do to stop an unstopable force.

You should take sometime to understand the meaning of this quote.

"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and as the ghost if honor matter....The silence is you awnser."

Once you do you'll get my point. If your squad knew you let everyone one in the galexy gets destoryed because you did not want to taint you honor...They will be none too happy.I don't see Ashley shying away form picking destroy.

[Ghost]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I also hate it when people (who hate the endings) call supporters "Drones." Just because they have a different opinion doesn't mean they do for BioWare's own sake. They liked it because they chose to like it. It wasn't in favor of the Devs.

I would appreciate constructive criticism over acting like a whiny b*tch which most of the haters do.

[AresKeith]

Jamie9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Drew wasn't the Narrative Director, I was talking about Armando Troisi. He also left Bioware after ME2 and went to work on Halo 4

Derp. I knew that. I just lack basic reading comprehension.

You've also just reminded me to avoid Halo 4 spoilers. Thanks!

Aren't they rewriting Deception?

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That why choice matters. If you picked refused...What do you think will happen. If you want her to live, get over your morals and ego. Remeber, the question of the seris is what you are willing to do and sacrific to stop an unstopable force. unstopable 

No.

I don't play video games to indulge my inner sociopath.  The real world is bad enough without it intruding into my fantasy worlds.  I play video games to get the job done and go home.  Not to commit war crimes for teh greater good.

It'snot about being a sociopath. You don't think people who pick destory picked it because they wanted to kill of the geth and all of synthetic life?

No. We did it because we wanted to save who we could. The point of the grand question in ME is whatyou would do in the very extremes.

[Ghost]

Jamie9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Drew wasn't the Narrative Director, I was talking about Armando Troisi. He also left Bioware after ME2 and went to work on Halo 4

Derp. I knew that. I just lack basic reading comprehension.

You've also just reminded me to avoid Halo 4 spoilers. Thanks!

I saw the ending on YouTube. Cortana dies earlier but so does Chief. New protagonist will be another Spartan.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

"Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and as the ghost if honor matter....The silence is you awnser."

Once you do you'll get my point. If your squad knew you let everyone one in the galexy gets destoryed because you did not want to taint you honor...They will be none too happy.I don't see Ashley shying away form picking destroy.

Sorry I don't play renegade.

How about the phrase "I won't let fear compromise who I am?"

Llike I said, if Bioware wants to force me to commit a galactic-scale war crime to "win" I simply won't play.  This is, after all a game.  Unfortunately, Bioware forgot this detail in its pursuit of "art"

[Jamie9]

AresKeith wrote...
Aren't they rewriting Deception?

Apparently, though we've heard no updates for a while, so we don't know if it's still happening.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

I liked some of EC and I give credit to Bioware for the effort but as for improving the ending or redeeming themselves ...no it did not do that for me .

[Jamie9]

Ghost1017 wrote...
I saw the ending on YouTube. Cortana dies earlier but so does Chief. New protagonist will be another Spartan.

Thank the Maker you're ****ing with me.

[clennon8]

Ghost1017 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I also hate it when people (who hate the endings) call supporters "Drones." Just because they have a different opinion doesn't mean they do for BioWare's own sake. They liked it because they chose to like it. It wasn't in favor of the Devs.

I would appreciate constructive criticism over acting like a whiny b*tch which most of the haters do.

Constructive criticism abounds.  But the drones invariably reduce it to "You're just a baby who wanted a happy ending."

Modifié par clennon8, 15 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Ghost]

Jamie9 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...
I saw the ending on YouTube. Cortana dies earlier but so does Chief. New protagonist will be another Spartan.

Thank the Maker you're ****ing with me.

I am but Cortana does die. Don't type in Halo 4 on YT.

[3DandBeyond]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Given how incredibly awful the original ending was, the EC significantly improving the ending still leaves it as being really bad.

While I don't see it as significantly improving the ending, I can see for some that it did, but you are correct in that it left it as really bad. 

It's like asking for a cake for your birthday, complete with icing and candles.  It's your birthday so you want your favorite cake and all.  But all you get is poo on a saltine ******.  You complain, so you get icing and candles on the poo on the saltine ******.  It may stink less, but it still won't ever taste right.

For me the problem is the things it did make "better" are not better because I don't care to see them or they added a level of hilarity and ridiculousness that is too much.  The goodbye scene at the conduit is great, but so foolish as to be laughable.  It explains how those 2 teammates got onto the Normanday but doesn't explain why Harbinger didn't care or why the Normandy didn't try to distract Harbinger so Shepard could make it to the conduit.  It also does not explain how all those other teammates got to the Normandy, the ones taking a break at the FOB.

And I can't stomach the kid and his new and improved dialogue-the words "wake up" make me sick.  He makes me sick.  The whole garbage logic behind it all is ridiculous.  It takes a side story and a minor issue and makes it the central issue for how to end the game and be best friends with the reapers-oh and die or kill friends and end up a charcoal briquette with good lungs.  Why not make the ending be about injecting everyone with the genophage so they won't breed and ultimately will die off and never be able to create synthetics?  Oh, wait they kind of did by creating synthesis as a choice.