Bill Casey wrote...
You created an omnipotent being that wants to exercise its absolute authority over everyone...
It's nothing short of tyranny...
Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 04:53 .
dreman9999 wrote...
1. I think you need to take the time to understand why what the leviathen did did not work to see that the Shepard AIis not the same case. And with that...Control is a very open option.
2.You've been making sacrifces since ME1. We just did not see the end results for a while. It just that asthe series progressed, the choice got more and more extreme, from squad mates lives, the coucil or human ships, to geth lives vs geth self, to advancement vs moral gound, to tuchanacka and final the end choices. You missed the fact here that it was not about paragon or renagande. It's about what you have to do. As I asked before, if standing by you morals to a "t" causes the death of everyone in the galexy.....What good are they?
3.If it just a game then I guess it's ok for your to stop whining and pick destory then...Since no one is really dieing , picking destory is not really genocide then.
1.Don't pick synthesis.3DandBeyond wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. If you don't want to do galactic genocide...Pick control.
2.It's not about being renagade or paragon. It's about save thecharacters you care for and the galexy. If you can't get over your self and do what needs to be do to do that...Everyone will die.
If you morals gets everyone killed, is it worth anything?
If your ignorance in choosing something not clearly defined and with an unknown outcome dooms everyone to a fate worse than death, is that worth anything? What price would you pay to live? What price would you pay to make others live if they didn't want to live as you think they should? Who does Shepard ever ask this question of, "do you want me to pick one of these things?" If you would live but were forced forever to do what nanites in your body said you would do, and life no longer had the joy it once did, would you want that? If you would live but you had to live surrounded by serial killers that ate your family, would you want that? If you had to kill your children to save your wife's life, would you want that?
Then answer this-
Who controls your body?
Who has the right to say if you live or die?
Do you think it's better to live and have machines control your life-and be able to do nothing about it and always live in fear, or to be allowed to try and fight even if it means you will die?
Then look at current events and see how real people are answering these questions right now.
In the US, there's the question of who can tell a woman what she can do with her body-does the state have a right?
There are also questions of who has the right to decide for others that they must live even when they are terminally ill and in great pain. There are also questions of when war is called for and when it is not. And in some countries there are those who are put to death merely for being the "wrong" ethnicity, race, religion, or sexual orientation. Who has the right to say if you live or die?
There is also the question of whether going forward we allow machines to control our lives (some do now with texting and emailing, youtube, and forums) or if we control and use them for our good. And do machines adapt to us and our needs (does Apple make iPads to fit users' needs) or do we adapt to their abilities or to their new concepts (does Apple just make iPads that users will want and put stuff on it that users will come to think they need).
Xilizhra wrote...
You don't have to be a Sith lord. You're never required to do anything immoral.2 Again, I was able to "do what needs to be done" quite satisfactilly as a paragon in ME1 and ME2. It' sin ME3 where suddenly you have to be a sith lord to "save" the galaxy. I know you're a stone cold renegade and can't understand that. But try, okay?
Not being based on a race of megalomaniacal cuttlefish aliens who have no regard for life might help just a tad.It ahs SHepard's memories and gneral values, but it still thinks like a machine. The Catalyst had a mandate to "preserve life" and came up with the reapers. WHo's to say even teh most paragon Shepard won't develop some similar insane troll logic?
I honestly don't see it as grimdark or nonheroic, at least in Control's case. It's just making the best of a bad situation.I'll "whine" here as long as I like, because it's actually more fun than actually playing Mass Effect now. Bioware decided to go grimdark in a previously heroic story. I think I've a right to be p*ssed
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
1. But the problem is the catalyst is a shaclked AI doing what it's programed to do. It was locked to absolute thinking. The only limit the Shepard AI has it to think likeShepard and have his her memories. It not a case of not having emotion that got the catalyst to act out...It a lack of morals. The catalyst does have emotions. Added, nothing say the sheaprd ai does not have emotions.iakus wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. I think you need to take the time to understand why what the leviathen did did not work to see that the Shepard AIis not the same case. And with that...Control is a very open option.
It ahs SHepard's memories and gneral values, but it still thinks like a machine. The Catalyst had a mandate to "preserve life" and came up with the reapers. WHo's to say even teh most paragon Shepard won't develop some similar insane troll logic?2.You've been making sacrifces since ME1. We just did not see the end results for a while. It just that asthe series progressed, the choice got more and more extreme, from squad mates lives, the coucil or human ships, to geth lives vs geth self, to advancement vs moral gound, to tuchanacka and final the end choices. You missed the fact here that it was not about paragon or renagande. It's about what you have to do. As I asked before, if standing by you morals to a "t" causes the death of everyone in the galexy.....What good are they?
And until the final moments of the game, the choices have been worth it. In the end, the choice became unfun. The price too high to be enjoyable.3.If it just a game then I guess it's ok for your to stop whining and pick destory then...Since no one is really dieing , picking destory is not really genocide then.
I'll "whine" here as long as I like, because it's actually more fun than actually playing Mass Effect now. Bioware decided to go grimdark in a previously heroic story. I think I've a right to be p*ssed
Please..I dicide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.Bill Casey wrote...
You created an omnipotent being that wants to exercise its absolute authority over everyone...
It's nothing short of tyranny...
You made a god in your own image...
Worse than refuse...
Worse than a thousand genocides...
Disgusting...
Modifié par dreman9999, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:01 .
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
What's truely immoral about control?iakus wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
You don't have to be a Sith lord. You're never required to do anything immoral.2 Again, I was able to "do what needs to be done" quite satisfactilly as a paragon in ME1 and ME2. It' sin ME3 where suddenly you have to be a sith lord to "save" the galaxy. I know you're a stone cold renegade and can't understand that. But try, okay?
We'll hav eto disagree on that, as I find all the choices repugnant.
But it's true. If you are an Ai that can rule life how it wants...What's stopping that said AI for letting life rule itself?clennon8 wrote...
*points and laughs* Look! Look at the drones scrambling! They'll say anything! Do anything!
Eterna5 wrote...
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
Power can't corrupt an AI.
Right, use the AI that a slave to it programing as an example and miss the point to why it happen.sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
Power can't corrupt an AI.
Sure it can, it's Artifical intelligence, so it can think for itself. Sure, it's limited by variables, but it can make decisions about what to do... like to kill everyone every 50,000 years because it apparently saves everyone...
You don't decide anything...dreman9999 wrote...
Please..I dicide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.
What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:14 .
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
Power can't corrupt an AI.
Sure it can, it's Artifical intelligence, so it can think for itself. Sure, it's limited by variables, but it can make decisions about what to do... like to kill everyone every 50,000 years because it apparently saves everyone...
Modifié par Eterna5, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:19 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Right, use the AI that a slave to it programing as an example and miss the point to why it happen.sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
Power can't corrupt an AI.
Sure it can, it's Artifical intelligence, so it can think for itself. Sure, it's limited by variables, but it can make decisions about what to do... like to kill everyone every 50,000 years because it apparently saves everyone...
TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.
What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.Bill Casey wrote...
You don't decide anything...dreman9999 wrote...
Please..I dicide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.
What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
That ain't shepard...
The Shepard VI sounds more like Commander Shepard than that thing...
Not if a have a guide line....A basic "don't be like TIM" rule. This is a question of wheather you can trust your self.sporeian wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Right, use the AI that a slave to it programing as an example and miss the point to why it happen.sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
sporeian wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Yes, it's a dictator...
It can call itself whatever it wants...
And what exactly is wrong with a Dictator that stops Galatic conflict?
Power Corrupts...
Power can't corrupt an AI.
Sure it can, it's Artifical intelligence, so it can think for itself. Sure, it's limited by variables, but it can make decisions about what to do... like to kill everyone every 50,000 years because it apparently saves everyone...
TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life live how they will and want.
What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
Shepard's personality may be a basis for it's decisions, but Shepard is still human, he can change his opinions and YOU can change your opinions. Power corrupts all in the end, whether it be organic or synthetic.
Also, the answer to your question is a false democracy... usually initiated by fear or power over others.
Modifié par dreman9999, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:22 .
dreman9999 wrote...
TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done...
Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:20 .
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