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[Iakus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]The same can be said with any of the choices. If this story is a bout hope then we can apply that hope to control.[/quote]

You see hope.  I see a galactic war crime followed by a painful death.  But hey it's all for the greater good, so it must be fun, right?

[quote]

TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life  live how they will and want.

What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
[/quote]

No, you decide the Shepard AI's starting point.  In the years, centuries, millenia afterwards, who knows how it might develop?

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

2 Again, I was able to "do what needs to be done" quite satisfactilly as a paragon in ME1 and ME2. It' sin ME3 where suddenly you have to be a sith lord to "save" the galaxy. I know you're a stone cold renegade and can't understand that. But try, okay?

You don't have to be a Sith lord. You're never required to do anything immoral.

We'll have to disagree on that, as I find all the choices repugnant.

What's truely immoral about control?

More an insane gamble than outright immoral.  You're pretty much swapping out a part and hoping this time the machine works.

The same can be said with any of the choices. If this story is a bout hope then we can apply that hope to control.

TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life  live how they will and want.

What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?

Please read up on pre-WW1 Germany, where the Kaiser effectively dictated what their Government could and could not do.

Yes, such a scenario can exist.

Eterna5 wrote...
You do realize that the entire purpose of the
reapers was to prevent organic life from going extinct right? And that
before Picking Destroy the Catalyst says that future generations will
build synthetics and the chaos will resume?

And you do realise that you're allowing a 10 foot pole to be shoved in your behind by actually believing that crap, right?

Are you actually trying to suggest that AI's will forever roam the Galaxy, waiting for the first fish to climb out of the oceans just to end the evolution of possible organic at the start?

I knew it, you're both complete and utter morons.

1. Pre-ww1 germany was a problem? When? Add, that is not what I mean...Imagine if that Kaiser didn't get involved with goverment.

2.That what the leviathens said....They are the catalyst creator...It did it it's own way. 

[sporeian]

Eterna5 wrote...

And what happens when Synthetics take over the galaxy and squash developing life before it can reach a level to oppose them?

That is literally impossible... you literally would have to destroy all microscopic bacteria in the universe, thus destroying the universe because the two have a pretty healthy symbiotic relationship to each other...

So... they would in essence kill themselves by destroying everything

Oh, and if they were to just, you know, destroy all advanced forms of life every few thousands of years to allow them to live on.... we are kinda repeating history here....

[Iakus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.
[/quote]

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

[Eterna]

sporeian wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

And what happens when Synthetics take over the galaxy and squash developing life before it can reach a level to oppose them?

That is literally impossible... you literally would have to destroy all microscopic bacteria in the universe, thus destroying the universe because the two have a pretty healthy symbiotic relationship to each other...

So... they would in essence kill themselves by destroying everything

Oh, and if they were to just, you know, destroy all advanced forms of life every few thousands of years to allow them to live on.... we are kinda repeating history here....

I meant Destroying them before they could defeat Synthetics. So say if the Yahg started to develop Space travel they'd then swoop in and eliminate them.

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:47 .

[EnvyTB075]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Pre-ww1 germany was a problem? When? Add, that is not what I mean...Imagine if that Kaiser didn't get involved with goverment.

2.That what the leviathens said....They are the catalyst creator...It did it it's own way. 

See, you know absolutely nothing about anything.

[dreman9999]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]The same can be said with any of the choices. If this story is a bout hope then we can apply that hope to control.[/quote]

You see hope.  I see a galactic war crime followed by a painful death.  But hey it's all for the greater good, so it must be fun, right?

[quote]

TheShepard ai does what Shepard would do...What Shepard would do I decide. I decide what is done....And with that I can decide to let all synthetic life and organic life  live how they will and want.

What is a dictator that lets his /her people make their own goverment?
[/quote]

No, you decide the Shepard AI's starting point.  In the years, centuries, millenia afterwards, who knows how it might develop?

[/quote]1. What war crimes? Reapers have no will.

2.As I said before, this is an issue of truse of self with that power. Nothing says the shepard ai will go nuts with the power or even keep that power.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:46 .

[AresKeith]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

I'm pretty sure Shreaper said they'll use the Reapers

[Eterna]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

And what happens when Synthetics take over the galaxy and squash developing life before it can reach a level to oppose them?

Lol, i didn't even have time to address this by editing my post before this spewed forth all over your keyboard.

How is me making baseless claims about the Destroy ending any different than you making baseless claims about Control?

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Pre-ww1 germany was a problem? When? Add, that is not what I mean...Imagine if that Kaiser didn't get involved with goverment.

2.That what the leviathens said....They are the catalyst creator...It did it it's own way. 

See, you know absolutely nothing about anything.

1. Right because Germany was the bad guy of WW1, not the war hawk, nationalist idiots of europe. No SIR.

2. But that is what the levathens do say how it was programed.

[dreman9999]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.
[/quote]

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

[/quote]

...Yet. Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

I'm pretty sure Shreaper said they'll use the Reapers

No it did not...
Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...


...Yet. Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

Or start reaping "for the greater good" 

Modifié par iakus, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:59 .

[EnvyTB075]

dreman9999 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Pre-ww1 germany was a problem? When? Add, that is not what I mean...Imagine if that Kaiser didn't get involved with goverment.

2.That what the leviathens said....They are the catalyst creator...It did it it's own way. 

See, you know absolutely nothing about anything.

1. Right because Germany was the bad guy of WW1, not the war hawk, nationalist idiots of europe. No SIR.

2. But that is what the levathens do say how it was programed.

Actually, you moron, i said pre-WW1, whether or not you consider Germany and Austria to be the aggressors in that conflict is completely irrelevent, because that is not the topic.

Also, please fix your spelling, you're giving everyone a migraine.

Eterna5 wrote...

How is me making baseless claims about the Destroy ending any different than you making baseless claims about Control?

Because i'm not making baseless claims about control, i don't give a flying **** about control, just calling you out on your self determined baseless claims.

And again, we have established that you are both talking out of your sphincters

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:54 .

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Pre-ww1 germany was a problem? When? Add, that is not what I mean...Imagine if that Kaiser didn't get involved with goverment.

2.That what the leviathens said....They are the catalyst creator...It did it it's own way. 

See, you know absolutely nothing about anything.

1. Right because Germany was the bad guy of WW1, not the war hawk, nationalist idiots of europe. No SIR.

2. But that is what the levathens do say how it was programed.

Actually, you moron, i said pre-WW1, whether or not you consider Germany and Austria to be the aggressors in that conflict is completely irrelevent, because that is not the topic.

Also, please fix your spelling, you're giving everyone a migraine.

Eterna5 wrote...

How is me making baseless claims about the Destroy ending any different than you making baseless claims about Control?

Because i'm not making baseless claims about control, i don't give a flying **** about control, just calling you out on your self determined baseless claims.

And again, we have established that you are both talking out of your sphincters

1. The point is, you never showed how germany was bad for doing what it did pre -war.

2.What baseless claims. Everything I said is true. I decide what the Shepard AI does. It based on my Shepard which is controled by my thoughts. If I want to be belevolent and hand free with the races it will till BW says other wise.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:05 .

[dreman9999]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.
[/quote]

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

[/quote]

...Yet. Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

[/quote]

Or start reaping "for the greater good" 

[/quote]Takes some time to understand why "reaping or the greater good" happened and you'll see it won't happen agein.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

I'm pretty sure Shreaper said they'll use the Reapers

No it did not...
Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

Yea it did, both Paragon and Renegade

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But what is the posibilities... This is an issue of not trusting yourself with the power. Heck, the sheaprd ai can even decide to have the reapers destroyed.

It's pretty clear by the ending slides that this doesn't happen

I'm pretty sure Shreaper said they'll use the Reapers

No it did not...
Who knows what the Shepard AI will do in the furture....It may do somehting crazy like...Let all that power go.

Yea it did, both Paragon and Renegade

No it did not.

[Iakus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]Takes some time to understand why "reaping or the greater good" happened and you'll see it won't happen agein.[/quote]

I am well aware of why it happened.  And there is nothing to say that it can't happen again with the Sheaprd-AI

[dreman9999]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]Takes some time to understand why "reaping or the greater good" happened and you'll see it won't happen agein.[/quote]

I am well aware of why it happened.  And there is nothing to say that it can't happen again with the Sheaprd-AI

[/quote]If you understand what happen then you'll understand why it can't happen with the Shepard AI.

[Iakus]

Funny, I would have said that you should understand way it can happen...

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...


No it did not.

"I will protect and sustain. I will act as guardian for the many"

The only way Shreaper can do that is by using the Reapers

Failed to prove your point by proving me right

Modifié par AresKeith, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:12 .

[EnvyTB075]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. The point is, you never showed how germany was bad for doing what it did pre -war.

2.What baseless claims. Everything I said is true. I decide what the Shepard AI does. It based on my Shepard which is controled by my thoughts. If I want to be belevolent and hand free with the races it will till BW says other wise.

1. Thats because, as i said, you know absolutely nothing. Go do a bit of reading.

2. Thats just your headcanon.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


No it did not.

"I will protect and sustain. I will act as guardian for the many"

The only way Shreaper can do that is by using the Reapers

Failed to prove your point by proving me right

Nice, jump in logic...Try agein. Maybe use lines that says"I will use the reapers to do this" Instead of sticking them in yourself.

[dreman9999]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. The point is, you never showed how germany was bad for doing what it did pre -war.

2.What baseless claims. Everything I said is true. I decide what the Shepard AI does. It based on my Shepard which is controled by my thoughts. If I want to be belevolent and hand free with the races it will till BW says other wise.

1. Thats because, as i said, you know absolutely nothing. Go do a bit of reading.

2. Thats just your headcanon.

1.You still haven't stated why Germany is wrong for doing that.
2.Open ended game. The only ones that can say I'm wrong is BW.