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TheCrazyHobo wrote...

EDI had already shown emotion of love when she decided that she was willing to die for Joker.

AI interface was already shown by the Geth Consensus mission and the existence of the Virtual Aliens.

Synthesis solves nothing. It does not cure racism/xenophobia. It does not mean that the AI who know understand organics are going to always want to co-exist with them. Javik is not going to going to love the Reapers/AI now just because they share the same eye color.

Synthesis does solve something.  The reason AIs were created was because organics can't do some things.  Fourier transformations, for example, are impossible to do in your head regardless of how savant or genius you are.  We use computers to do things that surpass our limitations.  The Catalyst examined that when the AIs were sufficiently advanced, they realized that the organics were no longer necessary and killed them.  The organics were unable to combat the superior synthetics because they were designed to be superior, to do what we couldn't.  Synthesis makes it that everyone can process technological advancements so synthetics will never be so advanced they can just wipe out all organics.  

WIll that solve all conflict?  No.  If being the same was enough to solve conflict, humans would never go to war with each other which we obviously have.  What it will solve is the problem of synthetics wiping out organics that the Catalyst was created solve.  The catalyst was not created to solve all the universe's problems.  It was designed to solve one problem and synthesis does so. 

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TheCrazyHobo wrote...

But we have shown that this is possible WITHOUT the changes made in Synthesis.  Ignorance is the issue as you have stated, and Shepherd can show that a non-synthesis organic can bridge the gap between the two.


I agree, but it seems very wrong to claim that I'm validating synthetic life when I'm blowing them up.

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As much as I'd love a utopia, it just feels wrong to force it on everyone. You take away all the illogical metaphysics and in-universe impossibility of it all (my primary reason for avoiding it), and that's what I'm left with. Really, all the endings involve playing god, and I hate playing god, especially in a universe with people I love and care about in it.

If only Refusal worked, then I wouldn't have to.

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They could only have made it more obvious if they showed a cinematic of Saren throwing himself into the green energy beam.

Would you side with Saren if he wasn't indoctrinated? That's what Synthesis is.

Not necessarily a bad choice, but i didn't side with him before and i wouldn't side with him now. Living things should self-determinate.

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TheCrazyHobo wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

EDI had already shown emotion of love when she decided that she was willing to die for Joker.

AI interface was already shown by the Geth Consensus mission and the existence of the Virtual Aliens.

Synthesis solves nothing. It does not cure racism/xenophobia. It does not mean that the AI who know understand organics are going to always want to co-exist with them. Javik is not going to going to love the Reapers/AI now just because they share the same eye color.


The idea is that by establishing an understanding between the types of life, both will be able to empathize with each other's unique perspectives. An organic can comprehend the synthetic perspective, and a synthetic can comprehend the organic perspective. The assumption is that understanding equates to empathy, and empathy will lead to peace.



But we have shown that this is possible WITHOUT the changes made in Synthesis.  Ignorance is the issue as you have stated, and Shepherd can show that a non-synthesis organic can bridge the gap between the two.   



You cannot say his. You cannot say that the relaionship between organics and synthetics will be peaceful forevermore because you had one case in which diplomacy worked. 

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Vicious wrote...

They could only have made it more obvious if they showed a cinematic of Saren throwing himself into the green energy beam.

Would you side with Saren if he wasn't indoctrinated? That's what Synthesis is.

Not necessarily a bad choice, but i didn't side with him before and i wouldn't side with him now. Living things should self-determinate.


Being that an organic made the choice it is self determinating. 

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Synthesis=the individual cease to exist.
If i'm wrong then eventually there is going to be a Reaper problem.

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Eterna5 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

They could only have made it more obvious if they showed a cinematic of Saren throwing himself into the green energy beam.

Would you side with Saren if he wasn't indoctrinated? That's what Synthesis is.

Not necessarily a bad choice, but i didn't side with him before and i wouldn't side with him now. Living things should self-determinate.


Being that an organic made the choice it is self determinating. 


Yeah, for that one single organic, not the any number of trillions in the galaxy.

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Yes. It really is that bad.

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It's the best of the options for the galaxy. Everyone, Reapers included, benefit from it.

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Shepard doesn't! His or her love interest doesn't, goddamnit!

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All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

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Yes.

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SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?

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It has been proposed in the main Synthesis thread that the reason why Shepard had to die was because the Crucible needed a template for what Synthesis would be, and it would extract it from his mind (the essence of what he is). Thus, Synthesis is whatever you want it to be, within certain limits.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

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jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

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 Captain Reynolds said it best:

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

Because dna is not something humans should have control over and maybe some people dont want to have sythethicness in them THUS FORCING IT ON THEM which is rape

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iakus wrote...

 Captain Reynolds said it best:

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.


I love you.

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jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

Because dna is not something humans should have control over and maybe some people dont want to have sythethicness in them THUS FORCING IT ON THEM which is rape

People have control over the genetic code already in the ME universe, just look at Miranda Lawson. Also, the races had no idea what the Crucible was capable of, but were willing to use it. Thus, they are willing of whatever it does, so synthesis is not rape.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

Because dna is not something humans should have control over and maybe some people dont want to have sythethicness in them THUS FORCING IT ON THEM which is rape

People have control over the genetic code already in the ME universe, just look at Miranda Lawson. Also, the races had no idea what the Crucible was capable of, but were willing to use it. Thus, they are willing of whatever it does, so synthesis is not rape.

Well in my eyes it is but Im done arguing no point in trying to argue I should let others have their own opinions

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jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?


Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

Because dna is not something humans should have control over and maybe some people dont want to have sythethicness in them THUS FORCING IT ON THEM which is rape

People have control over the genetic code already in the ME universe, just look at Miranda Lawson. Also, the races had no idea what the Crucible was capable of, but were willing to use it. Thus, they are willing of whatever it does, so synthesis is not rape.

Well in my eyes it is but Im done arguing no point in trying to argue I should let others have their own opinions

Though I disagree with you, i will respect your viewpoint as well.Posted Image

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:20 .


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iakus wrote...

 Captain Reynolds said it best:

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.

I love what you just said, and I love your sig.

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I don't have a "real" problem with synthesis, but I have one with Shepard's dumb reaction to the Catalyst's explanation. "Huh? I dunno... "

Then run and jump.