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[Icinix]

All the endings are evil.

Synthesis though, forcing that ideology onto everyone, forcing a change in every organic / synthetic creation in the galaxy, that's about as evil as it comes.

[Seival]

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

blueumi wrote...

think about the synthetics that also are fine with who and what they are so they have to change as well if they are alive in any real sense then they also should have the right to say sorry no thanks i want to keep my own form

star child said we can't why can't we it's just the reapers being sick bullys who get to turn us in to what ever they want and that is a win in biowares eyes sorry no man that choice is stupid

All Synthesis gave synthetics was a full understanding of organics, which is what they all wanted anyway.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Icinix wrote...

All the endings are evil.

Synthesis though, forcing that ideology onto everyone, forcing a change in every organic / synthetic creation in the galaxy, that's about as evil as it comes.

How's that more evil than letting them die for Shepard's pride/principles?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

I like your idea, but I don't get why everyone says it's forced. The galaxy accepts the use of the Crucible, when they don't even know what it does. That means they accept whatever the Crucible will do.

[AresKeith]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

I like your idea, but I don't get why everyone says it's forced. The galaxy accepts the use of the Crucible, when they don't even know what it does. That means they accept whatever the Crucible will do.

Its true that they wanted to use the Crucible to kill the Reapers, but I doubt any of them knew or wanted that to happen

[Icinix]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All the endings are evil.

Synthesis though, forcing that ideology onto everyone, forcing a change in every organic / synthetic creation in the galaxy, that's about as evil as it comes.

How's that more evil than letting them die for Shepard's pride/principles?

You're making that choice without knowledge of the outcome - but if you are metagaming, then its a sacrifice of one cycle - one cycle out of possibly millions - so the next can survive with all their freedoms intact.

Synthesis though, you know what you're doing. You have full knowledge of what the outcome will be - you're told straight up you will force an ideology upon every living / synthetic thing - they won't get a choice and it will last forever.

[GreyLycanTrope]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

LOL

Implications....unpleasant

[Hanako Ikezawa]

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

I like your idea, but I don't get why everyone says it's forced. The galaxy accepts the use of the Crucible, when they don't even know what it does. That means they accept whatever the Crucible will do.

Its true that they wanted to use the Crucible to kill the Reapers, but I doubt any of them knew or wanted that to happen

They didn't know what it would do, except stop the Reaper threat. All three of Catalyst's options do that in different ways: they are either destroyed, controlled by Shepalyst, or hav no reason to reap anympre since their purpose has been achieved.

[Bad King]

It basically turns everyone into gods. Like what this guy wanted to do:

Modifié par Bad King, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:06 .

[blueumi]

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

wait so the basic cells that we all were once to what we are now is low limits then we must be identical to monkeys  or to the mice type mammal that was alive in the dinosaur era

give me a brake having implants to improve by choice cool change my dna hell no that is incredibly short sighted it is more likely that  synthesis has limits since the reapers have been the same millenia

[mauro2222]

Seival wrote...

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits.

You're confusing evolution with improvement. And a synthetic species can create another synthethic species.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Icinix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All the endings are evil.

Synthesis though, forcing that ideology onto everyone, forcing a change in every organic / synthetic creation in the galaxy, that's about as evil as it comes.

How's that more evil than letting them die for Shepard's pride/principles?

You're making that choice without knowledge of the outcome - but if you are metagaming, then its a sacrifice of one cycle - one cycle out of possibly millions - so the next can survive with all their freedoms intact.

Synthesis though, you know what you're doing. You have full knowledge of what the outcome will be - you're told straight up you will force an ideology upon every living / synthetic thing - they won't get a choice and it will last forever.

You don't know that either. What you do know is that the Reapers are a superior force and will harvest this cycle unless you stop them. and again, ghalaxy is accepting of whatever Crucible does, so you're not forcing anything.

[Asch Lavigne]

I just don't see it as a solution. Instead of organic fighting synthetics we'll have hybrids fighting hybrids. And where was it written that just because everyone is part robot now that a race still wont create an all robot race for labor purposes or whatever? We'll have part synthetics fighting full synthetics now, that's all.

[Seival]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

I like your idea, but I don't get why everyone says it's forced. The galaxy accepts the use of the Crucible, when they don't even know what it does. That means they accept whatever the Crucible will do.

I think that spontaneous Synthesis can cause a lot of social problems with some negative long-term consequences. So I believe that Synthesis and all its possible consequences (including social) should be studied much more. Maybe even simulated or tested on some large group of volunteers and/or terminally ill people.

There are also people who refuse the Synthesis anyway. They could be moved to some star cluster and wait till Synthesis is performed with Mass Relays turned off in that cluster. All who wanted Synthesis will be synthesized, and all who wanted to keep the old ways will stay in unsynthesized reservations. This is what only Catalyst-Shepard is able to do. 

[AresKeith]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They didn't know what it would do, except stop the Reaper threat. All three of Catalyst's options do that in different ways: they are either destroyed, controlled by Shepalyst, or hav no reason to reap anympre since their purpose has been achieved.

I thinks that part of problem IMO, because Shepard just did something the Reapers wanted all along to solve a problem thats been started by the Leviathans and the Reapers/ Starchild

[Icinix]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Icinix wrote...

All the endings are evil.

Synthesis though, forcing that ideology onto everyone, forcing a change in every organic / synthetic creation in the galaxy, that's about as evil as it comes.

How's that more evil than letting them die for Shepard's pride/principles?

You're making that choice without knowledge of the outcome - but if you are metagaming, then its a sacrifice of one cycle - one cycle out of possibly millions - so the next can survive with all their freedoms intact.

Synthesis though, you know what you're doing. You have full knowledge of what the outcome will be - you're told straight up you will force an ideology upon every living / synthetic thing - they won't get a choice and it will last forever.

You don't know that either. What you do know is that the Reapers are a superior force and will harvest this cycle unless you stop them. and again, ghalaxy is accepting of whatever Crucible does, so you're not forcing anything.

You said "How's that more evil than letting them die for Shepard's pride/principles?" I said "You're making that choice without knowledge of the outcome - but if you are metagaming.."

The galaxy is not accepting of whatever the crucible does - you have not spoken to billions of people, the ones you have spoken to have said they would die if it meant taking out the Reapers. Anyway you look at it you are forcing the entire galaxy to become something it never chose to become. You take away every individuals choice, and make it for them.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

They didn't know what it would do, except stop the Reaper threat. All three of Catalyst's options do that in different ways: they are either destroyed, controlled by Shepalyst, or hav no reason to reap anympre since their purpose has been achieved.

I thinks that part of problem IMO, because Shepard just did something the Reapers wanted all along to solve a problem thats been started by the Leviathans and the Reapers/ Starchild

The Catalyst's, Harbinger's, and the rest of the Reapers had a good goal on paper, they just didn't understand that life is more than data which can be stored. Here's a link to a scene in the anime Solty Rei that has the protagonist having a final fight with the antagonist who has similar directive to the Catalyst.(This would have been how I handled Catalyst if was given as an option, think Destroy that only destroys Catalyst)

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Storin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

All life is twisted with Space Magic circuitry, irrevocably. It is that bad, yes.

All life is improved. Nothing was twisted, the Synthesis technology envelops DNA, not changes its structure.
Is any technology that changes our life bad?

Making a decision for AN ENTIRE GALAXY is wrong and also its genetic rape

All endings have Shepard making a decision for the entire galaxy. And how is the genetic code  "raped"?

Because dna is not something humans should have control over and maybe some people dont want to have sythethicness in them THUS FORCING IT ON THEM which is rape

People have control over the genetic code already in the ME universe, just look at Miranda Lawson. Also, the races had no idea what the Crucible was capable of, but were willing to use it. Thus, they are willing of whatever it does, so synthesis is not rape.

So by that logic, going on a date with someone is tacit acceptance of date rape, since the other person could be capable of anything and you know it?

That aside, everyone involved with the Crucible worked on it with the belief that it would in some way destroy or drive off the Reapers. That's the only possibility anyone entertains. The only people who don't want to destroy the Reapers are the series' villains. The VI on the Asari homeworld point-blank tells you that the Reapers indoctrinate people every cycle to sabotage all attempts to fight them. Your one and only source for thinking Synthesis (and Control, for that matter) is ok is the entity controlling your enemy. There simply is no rational line of thought that could lead one to accept its arguments at face value, period. And even if there was, even if Synthesis is truly benign, you're still fundamentally altering every single person in the galaxy down to the genetic level without their knowledge or agreement. That is unethical. That's the definition of unethical.  If you don't believe me, go ask a doctor if they can perform an operation on someone without their consent, or if it violates their beliefs or prinicipals.

Modifié par Storin, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:30 .

[blueumi]

you have to love the irony of a game with a story about choice and that is supposed to give choice to the player then has shepard our so called hero take every intelligent life forms choice away from them way to go bioware way to miss the point and appeal of your own franchise

[Bill Casey]

Seival wrote...

There are also people who refuse the Synthesis anyway. They could be moved to some star cluster and wait till Synthesis is performed with Mass Relays turned off in that cluster. All who wanted Synthesis will be synthesized, and all who wanted to keep the old ways will stay in unsynthesized reservations. This is what only Catalyst-Shepard is able to do. 

So you are forcibly moving people from their homes and onto reservations to get away from your human experimentation...
Lovely...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Storin]

Seival wrote...

blueumi wrote...

Seival wrote...

Synthesis is not bad, and it's inevitable
http://social.biowar.../index/13740862

...At least I think so.

look in this day and age some people dye their hair but some don't some people have plastic surgery some don't since when would all living beings change dna

evolution is natural it's the only thing that is inevitable being organic and synthetic at the same time is not going to just happen it has to be done and so is not inevitable

Evolution of organics have low limits, and only organics are able to give birth to sinthetic life. Synthetic life evolution has much higher limits. To avoid organic life become completely obsolete, and to give synthetics more "mental flexibility", Synthesis should be performed eventually.

I'm Control ending fan, and I like Synthesis idea anyway. I just don't like forcing everyone. And I think that Synthesis should be studied more before applying.

In case of Control we still have Synthesis option available, and we have Shepard-Catalyst who can perform it in much better manner.

And they say people who pick Destroy resort to headcanon...

Modifié par Storin, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:35 .

[Seival]

Bill Casey wrote...

Seival wrote...

There are also people who refuse the Synthesis anyway. They could be moved to some star cluster and wait till Synthesis is performed with Mass Relays turned off in that cluster. All who wanted Synthesis will be synthesized, and all who wanted to keep the old ways will stay in unsynthesized reservations. This is what only Catalyst-Shepard is able to do. 

So you are forcibly moving people from their homes and onto reservations to get away from your human experimentation...
Lovely...

Those people will not be forced, they will go for a compromise. It's much better than turning them into something they don't want to be. Synthesis is irreversible. And refusers can build new homes. They will be greatful for their opinion was noticed.

Modifié par Seival, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:41 .

[wantedman dan]

Yes. Synthesis is the most immoral choice of the series.