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[Seival]

Mr.House wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

People with implants don't die in high ems destroy. If that was so then the quarians, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda, Jack, all her students, Wrex, Jacob, Samara and her daughter would all be dead, including Shepard. The ending proves this does not happen.

Biotic augmentation is not a vital synthetic implant. Artificial hearts, immune system boosters and other things like that are. We don't know exactly how badly did quarians suffer in case of Destroy. They could lose half of remaining population due to immune boosters failures.

Biotic implants are part of the brain, it can cause alot of damage. You are simply speculating on what you think and want to happen, when it's simply not true. In-game evidence proves this.

Biotic amp can be removed by the user himself. This will not do any harm, just nullify his biotic abilities.

We see Shepard's suffering in the breath scene. We know the original Catalyst said that "you are also partially synthetic". The game itself strongly suggest that people with vital synthetic implants will suffer somehow.

Also, as I said, even momentary vital implant shut-down may cause a fatal accident.

[Argolas]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Eradicating every last scrap of the Reapers and their thralls from the galaxy is worth almost any price, and everyone fighting the war was willing to pay that price. 

Exactly. The idea of the Reapers was made up by a mad AI that was made by racist, arrogant Leviathan creatures. They can only be created with genocide, one of the worst war crimes that ever existed. This has gone for too long, they never should have existed in the first place. Shepard gets the unique chance of breaking the cycle and making things right again. This chance is screwed in every other option. If Holoshep wasn´t so eager to keep the reapers, I would consider this an option, but it isn´t. In Synthesis, the Reapers are invincible because there is no weapon that could defeat them and spare the rest of the galaxy´s life at the same time.

Once again, this chance to end the whole Reaper business is unique.

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

We see Shepard's suffering in the breath scene. We know the original Catalyst said that "you are also partially synthetic". The game itself strongly suggest that people with vital synthetic implants will suffer somehow.

Err... actually, Shepard already was suffering before that... he/she got hit by a reaper laser, took at least two bullets without any kind of armor, lost a lot of blood on his/her way up and finally was in the middle of that explosion...

You saw his implants in ME2. If they are broken, Shepard never wakes up.

The Destroy wave only destroys reaper tech. That sadly includes EDI. That might include the Geth as well, but I am not quite convinced on that one yet. But it certainly does not include Shepard´s implants or Quarian enviro suits.

Modifié par Argolas, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Seival]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Seival wrote...
...Still sure you sacrificed just EDI and the Geth?
...But more importantly, isn't only EDI and the Geth death sad enough?

Eradicating every last scrap of the Reapers and their thralls from the galaxy is worth almost any price, and everyone fighting the war was willing to pay that price. 

Does that sound happy to you?

No, that doesn't sound happy at all. But that sounds like a valid way of thinking - destroy the enemy no matter the cost. Even if friends are on your way to the target. Pure renegade way of thinking, and pure renegade way to deal with the enemy.

This kind of thinking is what any Destroyer should have. I just can't understand some Destroyers, who think that they did no harm to anyone but the Reapers.

Modifié par Seival, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:24 .

[DrGunjah]

Seival wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

People with implants don't die in high ems destroy. If that was so then the quarians, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda, Jack, all her students, Wrex, Jacob, Samara and her daughter would all be dead, including Shepard. The ending proves this does not happen.

Biotic augmentation is not a vital synthetic implant. Artificial hearts, immune system boosters and other things like that are. We don't know exactly how badly did quarians suffer in case of Destroy. They could lose half of remaining population due to immune boosters failures.

read this and then consider reassessing your theories about destroy:

The Twilight God wrote...
This is one of the major problems with
people who insist the Geth die. This fabricated concept that one piece
of technology is inherently "more synthetic" than another. Shepard's
implants are 100% synthetics. A geth prime platform is 100% synthetic. .
An omni-tool is 100% synthetic. A geth colossus is 100% synthetic.  An
Alliance cruiser is 100% synthetics. A Geth cruiser is 100% synthetic.
All synthetics must be affected identically.
 
 If the Geth die (memory fried) than all memory must be fried.
 
Kasumi's graybox? Fried. So she's dead or brain damaged for life.
 
Ships?
That means travel is impossible. All the navigational data and every
piece of software in every single piece of technology is gone. So the
ships in the fleet wouldn't be going anywhere. They all must die in the
cold of space. They cannot eye-ball the exact direction to fly toward.
Especial when you're dealing with FTL speeds. The dangers are
astronomically too great. Even with navigational computers they are
normally off my thousands or hundreds of thousands of miles.
 
Every
bit of knowledge stored on any medium is lost forever. All backups -
everything - gone. That's the collective knowledge of all cultures
reduced to what the survivors can remember off the top of their heads
and what remains of books that weren't burned or otherwise destroyed.
 
If we view the synthetic destruction in a more general manner there are even more problems.
 
Biotics? Fried. All receive nerve and/or brain damaged.
Shepard?
Spinal implants fail. The Lazarus scene shows he had a c3/c4 vertebrae
break (1 of 3). We saw that Cerberus repaired the spine using cybernetic
parts. A break that high would leave the person incapable of breathing.
Quarians
depend on their suits and extension cybernetic augmentation. So the
greatest epidemic in their history is sure to follow.
All ships are dead in the water.
Normandy? It's not taking off.
Weapons? The lights should shut off and they should be inop.
Armor? Light should shut down. Garrus's visor should be shutdown.
All mass effect fields are kaput so forget about anyone surviving on the Citadel.
The Citadel? It's losses all power.
 
That doesn't happen.
 
The fleets? Lights, engines, comms, etc. working.
The Normany? Lights, doors, mass effect fields, engines, comms, etc. working.
Weapons and armor? All the lights are still functioning. Not even so much as a flciker.
Kasumi? Greybox destruction didn't kill her or bestow permanent brain damage.
Shepard? Cybernetic don't fail.  Able to breathe even though he has a synthetic C3/C4 vertebrae augmentation.
Quarians? Extensive cybernetics didn't explode. No mass epidemic when suits and synthetics failed.
The Citadel? Lights are still on after the initial blast. No signs of damage prior to its (relay) overloading.
Biotics? Kaiden, Javik, Liara, the asari on Thessia weren't hospitalized from implant/amp injuries.

All
those synthetic things are shown to continue working just fine. So how
the hell can anyone cherry pick the Geth and say they outright die, but
everything else is OK? How are the Geth "pure synthetic" while all the
Ship computers aren't. I can assure you that there is nobody on those
ships who can piece together an entire galactic map, calculate the
movement and gravitational shifts caused by billions of starts from
memory. Not even a salarian.

[estebanus]

That totally depends. I don't find the idea of synthesis occurring naturally, as in organics achieving it by themselves, too terrible, but I just hate it how it's depicted as a solution to the reaper problem, while it in truth really shouldn't solve anything.

For me, choosing Synthesis as an ending dpeicts forced transhumanism, something which I morally just cannot agree with. Scientifically speaking, it's also comple bullcrap to think that a green energy wave would somehow be able to alter a matrix which doesn't even exist in the first place.
I just don't believe that people should get technology which they aren't prepared for yet, and I think that a species is first really prepared for something if they achieved this by themselves. Metaphorically speaking, "giving nukes to cavemen" hasn't really been something I've ever been to enthusiastic about.

Modifié par estebanus, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:34 .

[InHarmsWay]

Seival wrote...

Destory
Leviathans win, Shepard's legacy is alive (for a while). Casualties: Geth, EDI, people with vital synthetic implants. 

Really? The leviathans? They can't retake the galaxy. Period. Why do so many people miss the HUGE point that now we can calibrate shields to block out their signal? Their ship disabling abilities? Gone. Their mind control? Gone.

The leviathans are made almost a non-threat due to their technolgoy introduced in the dlc.

Seival wrote...

I think most Destroyers didn't consider that at all. But even if not the case, betraying EDI and the Geth alone should make you feel bad.

EDI: The reapers disgust me. They value survival over all else. I am different. I would rather face non-functionality
than allow their continued existence.

Geth at earth base: There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines.



Also the fact that people are working with the reapers in the synthesis ending greatly implies brainwashing. Each reaper is responsible for the deaths of trillions. All these people had loved ones killed by the reapers and all of a sudden we work with them? Even their goddamn husks are still around (and are self-aware, thanks).

This is no where near accurate what would happen. People would want justice. Look at the aftermath of WW2 the Nuremberg Trials.

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Seival wrote...
...Still sure you sacrificed just EDI and the Geth?
...But more importantly, isn't only EDI and the Geth death sad enough?

Eradicating every last scrap of the Reapers and their thralls from the galaxy is worth almost any price, and everyone fighting the war was willing to pay that price. 

Does that sound happy to you?

No, that doesn't sound happy at all. But that sounds like a valid way of thinking - destroy the enemy no matter the cost. Even if friends are on your way to the target. Pure renegade way of thinking, and pure renegade way to deal with the enemy.

I destroy them not just for the sake of destroying them (which is why I do not use the "We destroy them or they destroy us"-banner, I do not like that). I destroy because I think of the future. I do not want to give the reapers a chance to harm people again. And it just feels right to set the harvested civilizations free. It is said not only their DNA, but also their minds are harvested (which is why the reapers have their technology). To me, this is disguisting. Killing the reapers feels like... in RPG terms, it is like destroying undeads, or in Dragon Age terms, killing abominations. It is... making things right again, as they always should have been.

In Synthesis, I believe everyone is Subject to the Leviathans´ control: Synthesized races are always controlled in Mass Effect, there are two of them: Reapers are controlled by the Catalyst and can be rewritten by LEVIATHANS or Holoshep, and Collectors are controlled by Harbinger, directly if necissary. I believe this is what "establish a connection" means when reaper kid says it. This is just a theory though.
If it is not true, I would not take the risk of setting the reapers free because they might persue their own goals, and Souvereign and Harbinger never shut up about how they think about us unworthy organics, and this is not only the Catalyst´s thoughts (who claims to protect and preserve organics, by the way). Souvereign says it quite literally: "We are each independant".

[Seival]

DrGunjah wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

People with implants don't die in high ems destroy. If that was so then the quarians, Kaidan, Liara, Miranda, Jack, all her students, Wrex, Jacob, Samara and her daughter would all be dead, including Shepard. The ending proves this does not happen.

Biotic augmentation is not a vital synthetic implant. Artificial hearts, immune system boosters and other things like that are. We don't know exactly how badly did quarians suffer in case of Destroy. They could lose half of remaining population due to immune boosters failures.

read this and then consider reassessing your theories about destroy:

The Twilight God wrote...
This is one of the major problems with
people who insist the Geth die. This fabricated concept that one piece
of technology is inherently "more synthetic" than another. Shepard's
implants are 100% synthetics. A geth prime platform is 100% synthetic. .
An omni-tool is 100% synthetic. A geth colossus is 100% synthetic.  An
Alliance cruiser is 100% synthetics. A Geth cruiser is 100% synthetic.
All synthetics must be affected identically.
 
 If the Geth die (memory fried) than all memory must be fried.
 
Kasumi's graybox? Fried. So she's dead or brain damaged for life.
 
Ships?
That means travel is impossible. All the navigational data and every
piece of software in every single piece of technology is gone. So the
ships in the fleet wouldn't be going anywhere. They all must die in the
cold of space. They cannot eye-ball the exact direction to fly toward.
Especial when you're dealing with FTL speeds. The dangers are
astronomically too great. Even with navigational computers they are
normally off my thousands or hundreds of thousands of miles.
 
Every
bit of knowledge stored on any medium is lost forever. All backups -
everything - gone. That's the collective knowledge of all cultures
reduced to what the survivors can remember off the top of their heads
and what remains of books that weren't burned or otherwise destroyed.
 
If we view the synthetic destruction in a more general manner there are even more problems.
 
Biotics? Fried. All receive nerve and/or brain damaged.
Shepard?
Spinal implants fail. The Lazarus scene shows he had a c3/c4 vertebrae
break (1 of 3). We saw that Cerberus repaired the spine using cybernetic
parts. A break that high would leave the person incapable of breathing.
Quarians
depend on their suits and extension cybernetic augmentation. So the
greatest epidemic in their history is sure to follow.
All ships are dead in the water.
Normandy? It's not taking off.
Weapons? The lights should shut off and they should be inop.
Armor? Light should shut down. Garrus's visor should be shutdown.
All mass effect fields are kaput so forget about anyone surviving on the Citadel.
The Citadel? It's losses all power.
 
That doesn't happen.
 
The fleets? Lights, engines, comms, etc. working.
The Normany? Lights, doors, mass effect fields, engines, comms, etc. working.
Weapons and armor? All the lights are still functioning. Not even so much as a flciker.
Kasumi? Greybox destruction didn't kill her or bestow permanent brain damage.
Shepard? Cybernetic don't fail.  Able to breathe even though he has a synthetic C3/C4 vertebrae augmentation.
Quarians? Extensive cybernetics didn't explode. No mass epidemic when suits and synthetics failed.
The Citadel? Lights are still on after the initial blast. No signs of damage prior to its (relay) overloading.
Biotics? Kaiden, Javik, Liara, the asari on Thessia weren't hospitalized from implant/amp injuries.

All
those synthetic things are shown to continue working just fine. So how
the hell can anyone cherry pick the Geth and say they outright die, but
everything else is OK? How are the Geth "pure synthetic" while all the
Ship computers aren't. I can assure you that there is nobody on those
ships who can piece together an entire galactic map, calculate the
movement and gravitational shifts caused by billions of starts from
memory. Not even a salarian.

I think that I've seen that before. This is speculation. Game doesn't lie about EDI and the Geth deaths. Those deaths were not shown in details, but we all know the real price for Destroy: at least EDI and the Geth. In the worst case scenario - even most people with vital sinthetic implants, which is logical, because EDI (non-reaper tech) and the Geth (with reaper code upgrades) died.

 - All complicated enough synthetic devices were destroyed: VIs, and AIs. 
 - Ship's targeting computer was not affected, but ship's VI (if any) was destroyed.
 - Any vital synthetic implant can have a VI controlling it, and giving info and suggestions to the user.
 - We also know that some quarinas allowed geth inside their suits and implants. Geth destruction will cause critical system failure in this case. All those quarians will suffer.

[Seival]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destory
Leviathans win, Shepard's legacy is alive (for a while). Casualties: Geth, EDI, people with vital synthetic implants. 

Really? The leviathans? They can't retake the galaxy. Period. Why do so many people miss the HUGE point that now we can calibrate shields to block out their signal? Their ship disabling abilities? Gone. Their mind control? Gone.

The leviathans are made almost a non-threat due to their technolgoy introduced in the dlc.

Seival wrote...

I think most Destroyers didn't consider that at all. But even if not the case, betraying EDI and the Geth alone should make you feel bad.

EDI: The reapers disgust me. They value survival over all else. I am different. I would rather face non-functionality
than allow their continued existence.

Geth at earth base: There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines.



Also the fact that people are working with the reapers in the synthesis ending greatly implies brainwashing. Each reaper is responsible for the deaths of trillions. All these people had loved ones killed by the reapers and all of a sudden we work with them? Even their goddamn husks are still around (and are self-aware, thanks).

This is no where near accurate what would happen. People would want justice. Look at the aftermath of WW2 the Nuremberg Trials.

You clearly underestimate Leviathans. And they clearly don't look too upset about their current position, and clearly know everything about how any countermeasures to their abilities can be countered...

...Wake up, ONE Leviathan killed (or disabled) the Reaper warship miles away with just a one "mind blast". And Reapers have much more advanced countermeasures against the Leviathans, it's just obvious.

Also the fact that some destroyers forget that dead Reaper bodies can also indoctrinate (ME2 derelict Reaper), and in case of Destroy each world will be full of them. Both on orbit and planetside.

Modifié par Seival, 16 octobre 2012 - 10:51 .

[InHarmsWay]

Seival wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destory
Leviathans win, Shepard's legacy is alive (for a while). Casualties: Geth, EDI, people with vital synthetic implants. 

Really? The leviathans? They can't retake the galaxy. Period. Why do so many people miss the HUGE point that now we can calibrate shields to block out their signal? Their ship disabling abilities? Gone. Their mind control? Gone.

The leviathans are made almost a non-threat due to their technolgoy introduced in the dlc.

Seival wrote...

I think most Destroyers didn't consider that at all. But even if not the case, betraying EDI and the Geth alone should make you feel bad.

EDI: The reapers disgust me. They value survival over all else. I am different. I would rather face non-functionality
than allow their continued existence.

Geth at earth base: There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines.



Also the fact that people are working with the reapers in the synthesis ending greatly implies brainwashing. Each reaper is responsible for the deaths of trillions. All these people had loved ones killed by the reapers and all of a sudden we work with them? Even their goddamn husks are still around (and are self-aware, thanks).

This is no where near accurate what would happen. People would want justice. Look at the aftermath of WW2 the Nuremberg Trials.

You clearly underestimate Leviathans. And they clearly don't look too upset about their current position, and clearly know everything about how any countermeasures to their abilities can be countered...

...Wake up, ONE Leviathan killed (or disabled) the Reaper warship miles away with just a one "mind blast". And Reapers have much more advanced countermeasures against the Leviathans, it's just obvious.

Also the fact that some destroyers forget that dead Reaper bodies can also indoctrinate (ME2 derelict Reaper), and in case of Destroy each world will be full of them. Both on orbit and planetside.

And did you miss the part where we now have shields that block out levaithans mind powers?

Without their powers, they are completely helpless.

[Argolas]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destory
Leviathans win, Shepard's legacy is alive (for a while). Casualties: Geth, EDI, people with vital synthetic implants. 

Really? The leviathans? They can't retake the galaxy. Period. Why do so many people miss the HUGE point that now we can calibrate shields to block out their signal? Their ship disabling abilities? Gone. Their mind control? Gone.

The leviathans are made almost a non-threat due to their technolgoy introduced in the dlc.

Seival wrote...

I think most Destroyers didn't consider that at all. But even if not the case, betraying EDI and the Geth alone should make you feel bad.

EDI: The reapers disgust me. They value survival over all else. I am different. I would rather face non-functionality
than allow their continued existence.

Geth at earth base: There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines.



Also the fact that people are working with the reapers in the synthesis ending greatly implies brainwashing. Each reaper is responsible for the deaths of trillions. All these people had loved ones killed by the reapers and all of a sudden we work with them? Even their goddamn husks are still around (and are self-aware, thanks).

This is no where near accurate what would happen. People would want justice. Look at the aftermath of WW2 the Nuremberg Trials.

You clearly underestimate Leviathans. And they clearly don't look too upset about their current position, and clearly know everything about how any countermeasures to their abilities can be countered...

...Wake up, ONE Leviathan killed (or disabled) the Reaper warship miles away with just a one "mind blast". And Reapers have much more advanced countermeasures against the Leviathans, it's just obvious.

Also the fact that some destroyers forget that dead Reaper bodies can also indoctrinate (ME2 derelict Reaper), and in case of Destroy each world will be full of them. Both on orbit and planetside.

And did you miss the part where we now have shields that block out levaithans mind powers?

Without their powers, they are completely helpless.

I just wanted to add that the Reapers can be controlled by the Leviathans directly. If there was any countermeasure that works for a reaper, they would have found it by then. You know, they had ages...

It is most likely that synthetic-organic hybrids are the easiest to control, the Collectors are another example. This would explain why the reapers are like that, and it would explain as well why Catalyst recommends Synthesis so strongly and is angry when it is not available.

Modifié par Argolas, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:15 .

[InHarmsWay]

Argolas wrote...


I just wanted to add that the Reapers can be controlled by the Leviathans directly. If there was any countermeasure that works for a reaper, they would have found it by then. You know, they had ages...

It is most likely that synthetic-organic hybrids are the easiest to control, the Collectors are another example. This would explain why the reapers are like that, and it would explain as well why Catalyst recommends Synthesis so strongly and is angry when it is not available.

Yet the reapers knew about the Crucible, but didn't develop a countermeasure against it.

[Seival]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Seival wrote...

Destory
Leviathans win, Shepard's legacy is alive (for a while). Casualties: Geth, EDI, people with vital synthetic implants. 

Really? The leviathans? They can't retake the galaxy. Period. Why do so many people miss the HUGE point that now we can calibrate shields to block out their signal? Their ship disabling abilities? Gone. Their mind control? Gone.

The leviathans are made almost a non-threat due to their technolgoy introduced in the dlc.

Seival wrote...

I think most Destroyers didn't consider that at all. But even if not the case, betraying EDI and the Geth alone should make you feel bad.

EDI: The reapers disgust me. They value survival over all else. I am different. I would rather face non-functionality
than allow their continued existence.

Geth at earth base: There will be no more compromise with the Old Machines.



Also the fact that people are working with the reapers in the synthesis ending greatly implies brainwashing. Each reaper is responsible for the deaths of trillions. All these people had loved ones killed by the reapers and all of a sudden we work with them? Even their goddamn husks are still around (and are self-aware, thanks).

This is no where near accurate what would happen. People would want justice. Look at the aftermath of WW2 the Nuremberg Trials.

You clearly underestimate Leviathans. And they clearly don't look too upset about their current position, and clearly know everything about how any countermeasures to their abilities can be countered...

...Wake up, ONE Leviathan killed (or disabled) the Reaper warship miles away with just a one "mind blast". And Reapers have much more advanced countermeasures against the Leviathans, it's just obvious.

Also the fact that some destroyers forget that dead Reaper bodies can also indoctrinate (ME2 derelict Reaper), and in case of Destroy each world will be full of them. Both on orbit and planetside.

And did you miss the part where we now have shields that block out levaithans mind powers?

Without their powers, they are completely helpless.

That "shielding" was a nice temporary defensive measure and only in case of one Fragment, located on the other side of the galaxy.

One Leviathan can kill the Reaper warship, which has much more advanced defences, since only Reapers were able to defeat the Leviathans. They didn't even manage to kill them all, remember? And they still lose entire warships when fighting Leviathans.

Once Reaper threat is gone - Leviathans will recover to full strength in matter of decades, while in case of Destroy galactic civilization will suffer from all this destruction, and manipulative dead Reapers around (ME2derelictReaper*1000000000).

Modifié par Seival, 16 octobre 2012 - 11:34 .

[ruggly]

I think my problem with synthesis (my own opinion), is that in order for there to be peace, I HAVE to become something else; a hybrid-robo human thing.  Hell, I'm already plugged into the internet/my laptop enough as is. 
(I'm not a smart woman, so I'm going to leave this post short)

[AdmiralCheez]

Okay, sat down and watched the EC Synthesis ending in its entirety.

I'll admit the scenes themselves were beautiful. Hell, I'll even admit that EDI's hopeful speech made me feel kinda good. But there was something... off-putting about it. Like, everyone was suddenly super-happy, and the (turian) soldiers just all stood in line, like they were waiting for someone--or someTHING--to give them orders.

It's not that everyone stopped fighting that bugs me; it's that they were pacified entirely.

Doesn't feel right, man.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Okay, sat down and watched the EC Synthesis ending in its entirety.

I'll admit the scenes themselves were beautiful. Hell, I'll even admit that EDI's hopeful speech made me feel kinda good. But there was something... off-putting about it. Like, everyone was suddenly super-happy, and the (turian) soldiers just all stood in line, like they were waiting for someone--or someTHING--to give them orders.

It's not that everyone stopped fighting that bugs me; it's that they were pacified entirely.

Doesn't feel right, man.

Really? I found the speech to be insulting and a huge betrayel. It also pretty much put EDI on my list of ME character that I just want to die.

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

 It also pretty much put EDI on my list of ME character that I just want to die.

I like to headcanon that my God-Empress of Mankind Shepard has EDI fly itself into the nearest star killing "her" along with Liara and Joker in "Control".

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

Really? I found the speech to be insulting and a huge betrayel. It also pretty much put EDI on my list of ME character that I just want to die.

It was short-lived.  About half a minute later, I realized it was completely out of character.  Seriously, since when has EDI been into that fluffy, airy BS?

Oh oh wait it's because Synthesis makes everyone happy...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Really? I found the speech to be insulting and a huge betrayel. It also pretty much put EDI on my list of ME character that I just want to die.

It was short-lived.  About half a minute later, I realized it was completely out of character.  Seriously, since when has EDI been into that fluffy, airy BS?

Oh oh wait it's because Synthesis makes everyone happy...

I am going to be lazy and copy/paste my comment on it from somewhere else.

People should not feel bad about getting EDI killed in destroy. Thanks to the EC, we know that unless we picked synthesis; EDI is alone and not alive.
So who cares?

[Sebby]

EDI deserves to be destroyed for "her" creepy romance with that Joker weirdo too. If "destroy" had a scene with Joker lamenting it's death then I might've picked it.

[Shepard108278]

No it's a very cool choice IMO.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

EDI deserves to be destroyed for "her" creepy romance with that Joker weirdo too. If "destroy" had a scene with Joker lamenting it's death then I might've picked it.

Everything to spite the characters we hate?

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

EDI deserves to be destroyed for "her" creepy romance with that Joker weirdo too. If "destroy" had a scene with Joker lamenting it's death then I might've picked it.

Everything to spite the characters we hate?

Usually I don't pick choices merely out of a petty spitefulness but since this game's story is worth less than what I last flushed down the toilet I'd make an exception here.

[daaaav]

iakus wrote...

 Captain Reynolds said it best:

Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They'll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that.

Just, so much this.

Synthesis makes me angry on the deepest, most primal level. Maybe I'm pro human or whatever but humanity as a whole doesn't need to be "improved" by some other entity. No. Sod off. We are capable of and need to improve OURSELVES on our own terms.

Shepard was already given opportunites to address every single problem that synthesis is supposed to solve.