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[Ravenmyste]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...
big ole snip here




Apologies for missing that part, I suppose essentially I'm agreeing with your point, that most of this stuff is only ASSUMED to be the way it is, and can easily be retconned in the lore.

i know i just wanted people to understand that i am saying that protheans can  be in the mp, but would need heavy dose of lore to give it legs hence why i even said if they found another pod.. so in essence i am agreeing with the ones that want it but till i see actual lore saying they can be in mp.

otherwise no till then{ i am lore buff regardless of retcon or not  lore is lore} and has to have a place before they come out with ideas i.e like the volus they always been in the game and  lore never even stated that they would not fight its just not front line fighter thats about it is a support and i am fine with it

 and you are right we do assume to much.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:17 .

[TheCinC]

Rokayt wrote...

Ultimately, the only reason why we would have a Prothean is the lore surronding them.

?

For me at least, that is not true. I like the idea of another class, I like the idea of some interesting combination of existing powers or perhaps new ones and I just happen to like the look of the Protheans. Why would I not want to be a four-eyes badass sometimes as well? Add in different weapons, new gears, whatever they come up with..

They can just invent a backstory like another batch of frozen Protheansicles being found and putting Javik in command. He was an officer right? Let them find some grunts, willing to lay down their lives as a final revenge for their empire, make it an ultra rare character and I am all okay with it.

Yes, I would like it better with a good backstory. But am I against anything that is not completely along the lines of things we previously have seen? Not necessarily. ME takes place in an entire Galaxy and we simply can't know everything yet, even with all that data we've seen ingame and surrounding it.

[Epique Phael767]

Master Che wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Prothean Soldier
shields 750, health 500
melee- Drell melee but green with reduced range but increased damage.

Powers:

Extrasensory adaptation: using this power on a teammate allows you to use a random power they have specced the same way. No passives (tech armor, etc) or grenade powers.

Plague burst: Dark chanmnel in the form of carnage. good against barriers and armor.

Coolant pack: Like stimpack on turian havoc, but instantly refills the clip on all guns, including the PPR, CSMG, and CSR

Arbiter of vengeance: Passive, with AR weight reduction at the end.

Fitness

Made the class myself. Extrasensory would very much make the game fun/more interesting

I could see an organic style tactical scan.

Or hunter mode. I thought copying a power would be more interesting though, which was what the OP asked for.

[Ramsutin]

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

[Ravenmyste]

TheCinC wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Ultimately, the only reason why we would have a Prothean is the lore surronding them.

?

For me at least, that is not true. I like the idea of another class, I like the idea of some interesting combination of existing powers or perhaps new ones and I just happen to like the look of the Protheans. Why would I not want to be a four-eyes badass sometimes as well? Add in different weapons, new gears, whatever they come up with..

They can just invent a backstory like another batch of frozen Protheansicles being found and putting Javik in command. He was an officer right? Let them find some grunts, willing to lay down their lives as a final revenge for their empire, make it an ultra rare character and I am all okay with it.

Yes, I would like it better with a good backstory. But am I against anything that is not completely along the lines of things we previously have seen? Not necessarily. ME takes place in an entire Galaxy and we simply can't know everything yet, even with all that data we've seen ingame and surrounding it.

 very correct, this is what i mean we need backstory on how they can be put into mp i am hoping that maybe they do find another stasis pod i mean if we can find javik and give him backstory to be  partially excepted into the story line of ME then  if they can come up with plausible back story doesn't necessary have to mean finding another living prothean BUT having some substantial back story would give its lore legs as i stated this would be the best way to go about it.


but like i said till the no please i don't want a prothean in mp{ till lore dictates how and when it was found in the me storyline}

[Ravenmyste]

Ramsutin wrote...

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

augh no no more vanguards{ yes i know theyre vangaurds but... please.. no more... we got enough special things hehe}

[ryanshowseason3]

mrcanada wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

How does playing a Volus enhance your playing experience? Everything you wrote here applies to every new addition. For one, Protheans can use Slam, an ability not in the game. They also sound and look awesome and lollore.  These reasons are enough to warrant them an addition to the game. The same people criticizing adding them, would be clamoring for their character cards and using them non stop in game.

Shepard can use Slam in both ME2 and ME3......

And we're talking about MP here where no one can use the abilty.

Yah OP is saying that it can just be put on a human character or any anyways. There is no reason to involve protheans because of that. If they are included it should be because of a specific thing no one else can do. Or all we are getting is a re hash of other stuff, which just doesn't do justice to the race or idea.

[ryanshowseason3]

Master Che wrote...

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

The devs can give powers and characteristics to any type of kit they desire. There's nothing that's in the way cosmically stopping them from creating some kick ass Prothean powers that would just drop even the most jaded of jaws. There's nothing in the lore that would make anyone reasonably say, "hey, they can't do that". They are a veritable blank slate of development creativity. So I don't see the point of this thread unless you are aware of some limitations that I am not.

Personally, I would love to see the green wall smash from the Javik cut scene.

OP is saying that blank slate already exists on any of the other races already. The only thing protheans add is a 3d model.

That's true, but it;s also true of Turian females, Volus, etc. All the characters are in essence just 3D models; why does the N7 Fury have Dark Channel, a Prothean-only ability in SP (Shepard doesn't count)? The truth is, Bioware can do whatever they want with any character; in the end we abide by their choice in look and ability of the kits. With that being said, I'd like to rush into a battle with a character that looks like a Prothean, and I can only hope that the Prothean's abilities would fit what we'd expect.

EXACTLY!

Quite true exactly it is only a novelty then to have that 3d model you demonstrate no further purpose in having it.

I prefer something a bit more riveting. If they were truly unique it would be much easier for lore hounds to ignore their presence, much like the volus and their new role in multiplayer.

[ryanshowseason3]

Ramsutin wrote...

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

Nothing.

You're saying you'd be satisfied with copying existing abilities making them green and slapping a 3d model on the character.

You must be a cheap date!

If they're included it should add something to the game. Something new and profound.

The volus added a true support class to the game. A significant addition.

The protheans should be just as profound in a way befitting their granted lore abilities that are unique from other races.

[Ravenmyste]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

Nothing.

You're saying you'd be satisfied with copying existing abilities making them green and slapping a 3d model on the character.

You must be a cheap date!

If they're included it should add something to the game. Something new and profound.

The volus added a true support class to the game. A significant addition.

The protheans should be just as profound in a way befitting their granted lore abilities that are unique from other races.

^this elcor under stands..

[akimboDEEZ]

When i play this game i see it as just us four (and MY un-selected roster) is the entire N7 special ops. so from this POV there can only be 4 of the same character per match. So if BW added the protheans* there would only be five in the entire galaxy. of course i dont give a crap about the MP lore. they could add damn ponys to the roster and i wont give two craps about it.

Modifié par akimboDEEZ, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:42 .

[Dark Tlaloc]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

Nothing.

You're saying you'd be satisfied with copying existing abilities making them green and slapping a 3d model on the character.

You must be a cheap date!

If they're included it should add something to the game. Something new and profound.

The volus added a true support class to the game. A significant addition.

The protheans should be just as profound in a way befitting their granted lore abilities that are unique from other races.

Without even being particularly imaginitive, why not make the Prothean a biotic who can actually take a hit, on Batarian levels of durability? Javik was a tank, and if they've already given his unique power (Dark Channel) away, perhaps integrate his level of toughness? 

I think the bottom line though, is that we don't have to demand that Bioware give the Protheans a specific ability if they put them in MP; we can just hope (and assume) that whatever they do, if they put Protheans in, they'll have something special planned for them.

[ryanshowseason3]

Dark Tlaloc wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

One word: Green Biotics. Well actually two words but you get the idea....

How much would you give for Prothean Vanguard with Annihilation Field, Biotic Charge and Nova, all green?

Nothing.

You're saying you'd be satisfied with copying existing abilities making them green and slapping a 3d model on the character.

You must be a cheap date!

If they're included it should add something to the game. Something new and profound.

The volus added a true support class to the game. A significant addition.

The protheans should be just as profound in a way befitting their granted lore abilities that are unique from other races.

Without even being particularly imaginitive, why not make the Prothean a biotic who can actually take a hit, on Batarian levels of durability? Javik was a tank, and if they've already given his unique power (Dark Channel) away, perhaps integrate his level of toughness? 

I think the bottom line though, is that we don't have to demand that Bioware give the Protheans a specific ability if they put them in MP; we can just hope (and assume) that whatever they do, if they put Protheans in, they'll have something special planned for them.

We are about to have a biotic tank too though. Krogan Shaman. Any prothean abilities should stem on what they can do that is unique.

I believe that unique factor is their bio touch sense thing where they can absorb knowledge. Using that to make them some kind of copy-cat of many abilities would be unique and profound. Say if they could take non racial powers from teamates and use them in their three power slots that would be unique and lead to some new and interesting combinations.

[Rudest]

Thought I'd revisit this thread with an exert from MEWiki:

"A Salarian research facility on Sur'Kesh captured and experimented on several Yahg. The Salarians planned to secretly uplift the Yahg and use them to further their initiatives with full deniability in a similar manner as the krogan."

If the Salarians ever succeeded in uplifting the Yahg, the Reapers would reconsider their stance on sparing them. The Yahg would then be given incentive to fight; survival. Which would be "according to plan" on the Salarian side of things.

Modifié par Rudest, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Rudest]

Wrong thread XD

Modifié par Rudest, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:39 .

[Jay Leon Hart]

corporal doody wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Problem is, this can be said of literally every kit in the game.

Why did people want Volus? No one cared about playing support; they just wanted to be Volus. While I'm glad they worked out, the Volus kits could've worked with any race. So if we look at that example, what's the problem surrounding Protheans?

extinction

Javik.

Next?

[corporal doody]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

SAY WHAT NOW??

the return of the collectors in no way changes anything about ME2.

Where do some of you folks get this stuff??!!! out the rear end thats where!!

First, the overruse of exclamation points and capslock does not make your point more relevant.

Second, the point of ME2, the suicide mission et all, was to destroy the Collectors. There still are Collectors around. So, mission failed. At this point, it's little more than Commander Shepard's summer vacation in the Terminus systems in preparation for the real war (ME3). Only thing that really matter lore-wise are your decision in Mordin, Tali and Legion's personnal quests. Hell ME2's DLCs have far more story and lore relevance than the main game's main quest, especially Arrival.

First, being a grammar **** doesnt hide that your snide douchy comment is snide and douchy

Second, The Suicide mission was TO STOP THE COLLECTORS and get back their people.   AND at no time did anyone anywhere say that ALL COLLECTORS were at the collector base! It would be straight straight STUPID that after 50k years the Reapers would PUT all their EGGS in one basket.  

YOu and everyother "individual" that believes that all the collectors are destroyed....well...BW has said otherwise HAVENT THEY!  

the protheans....BW has repeatedly said they were extinct. Javik.....JAVIK IS THE LAST AND ONLY PROTHEAN!

[corporal doody]

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Problem is, this can be said of literally every kit in the game.

Why did people want Volus? No one cared about playing support; they just wanted to be Volus. While I'm glad they worked out, the Volus kits could've worked with any race. So if we look at that example, what's the problem surrounding Protheans?

extinction

Javik.

Next?

Javik introduction was farfetched and cring worthy...but he worked...only cuz they hammered home the fact THAT HE WAS THE LAST!

End!

[Jay Leon Hart]

corporal doody wrote...
Javik introduction was farfetched and cring worthy...but he worked...only cuz they hammered home the fact THAT HE WAS THE LAST!

End!

So you didn't think he should have been added (just like adding Protheans to MP) but you were wrong and enjoyed him? Good to know. Also, key word in "Was the last" is "WAS" so yeah, they changed it once, they can change it again if they feel like it.

[corporal doody]

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

corporal doody wrote...
Javik introduction was farfetched and cring worthy...but he worked...only cuz they hammered home the fact THAT HE WAS THE LAST!

End!

So you didn't think he should have been added (just like adding Protheans to MP) but you were wrong and enjoyed him? Good to know. Also, key word in "Was the last" is "WAS" so yeah, they changed it once, they can change it again if they feel like it.

Then you let me know when BW hires you to write.


AND no....ME3MP takes place DURING the course of ME3 SP.....so the introduction of a PROTHEAN army? NO!

as ive said many many times...I am fine with a prothean in the next ME game as a bonus or promo character

[Rudest]

Rudest wrote...


In short, to bring Protheans back and it to be acceptable is just a matter of good believable writing. A writer can write his way out of any situation in a tasteful manner if he/she puts his/her mind, creativity, and talent to it! Anyone who doesn't believe that is narrowmined and lacks faith in artistic ingenuity.

With Protheans, it's just a very narrow window; We either end up with baggage that cheapen's Javik's worth----or we get a masterpiece that makes him grow as a character. There is hardly room for anything inbetween, which makes it a daunting dangerous endeavor for Bioware to even touch!

-cough-

[Jay Leon Hart]

corporal doody wrote...
Then you let me know when BW hires you to write.

Ditto

corporal doody wrote...
AND no....ME3MP takes place DURING the course of ME3 SP.....so the introduction of a PROTHEAN army? NO!

as ive said many many times...I am fine with a prothean in the next ME game as a bonus or promo character

Who said anything about an army? 4 members of a species does not an army make.

[corporal doody]

Rudest wrote...

Rudest wrote...


In short, to bring Protheans back and it to be acceptable is just a matter of good believable writing. A writer can write his way out of any situation in a tasteful manner if he/she puts his/her mind, creativity, and talent to it! Anyone who doesn't believe that is narrowmined and lacks faith in artistic ingenuity.

With Protheans, it's just a very narrow window; We either end up with baggage that cheapen's Javik's worth----or we get a masterpiece that makes him grow as a character. There is hardly room for anything inbetween, which makes it a daunting dangerous endeavor for Bioware to even touch!

-cough-

The introduction of ONE....with a emphasis on ONE AND ONLY AND LAST.  AN introduction of MANY...retcon...and would be ONE HELL OF A "WRITE JOB"

possible? sure BUT highly unlikely.

so do not believe THIS particular matter can (or should) be done for ME3MP and the protheans.

[Rokayt]

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

Problem is, this can be said of literally every kit in the game.

Why did people want Volus? No one cared about playing support; they just wanted to be Volus. While I'm glad they worked out, the Volus kits could've worked with any race. So if we look at that example, what's the problem surrounding Protheans?

extinction

Javik.

Next?

How many failed to bring him to us?

[SaikaMercenary]

So by your logic, the Volus are also a novelty.
It's been stated they aren't front line fighters, they don't do ground combat, they rely on aerial combat to get things done. Yet here they are, out with the more battle hardened races on the front lines.
Sorry, but Protheans would be a nice addition and a fun one.