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[Fast Jimmy]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Let's not bring the idiocy of the EMS system into this conversation, shall we?

I simply cannot believe the idiotic sense of validation people get when they hear a conversation about something their dwarven noble Warden did mentioned by a random NPC walking on the street (which is about the extent to what we're going to get with decision imports, not customized content or anything more than the smallest head nod to any previous choice) is worth the cost in all of the resources devoted to making sure that every import flag is carried over and interpretted correctly, not to mention all of the limitations it puts on the story going forward.

Want to see Fenris again in DA3? Chances are you won't, because he could be dead or sold into slavery in some people's imports. Want to meet up with Loghain and hear what he's been up to? Nope, not going to happen, since he's dead nine ways to Sunday in most people's playthroughs. Want to find out where your Warden and Morrigan have been up to in the Eluvian world? You'll run into Morrigan, but your Warden will be hand-waved out of the story faster than you can see "import flag glitch!"

Its a terrible, vicious cycle, where the import mechanic will over time become a living monster for each Bioware game, consuming more and more resources and offering smaller and smaller returns.

Since you're gifted with such foresight, do you mind telling me this week's lotto numbers?

Come now... us Jimmy's must not fight. Only through unity and the abolishment of import flags will our kind be free once again.

[Chaia]

Whilst I can see some choices coming back like whos King/Queen of Feralden, did or didn't do the Dark Ritual/'Old God Baby', who did Hawke side with in the end because of the impact they could have on future games plots (and maaaybe the Urn)

But the others just arn't big enouth to effect the rest of Thedas, if the game is set in Orlais I doubt anyone there (what with their country being centre stage of not one, but two wars) would care about Ferldan problems like whos leading just one Dalish clan in the middle of the Feraldan countryside. I'm with there being few imports being brought through from previous games (like DR, whos King/Queen), let those few choices have bigger impact but more importantly make DA3 choices actully matter in DA3.
I believe the Witcher 2 did that, and its choice system was great, its like having two games in one.

But the other choices coming back, probably not so much, and in many ways I don't really want them too either. Mainly because it would just feel out of places like it was crammed in there just for the sake of it, not because it benefits the game itself, like in DA2 that scene with the Dalish and the werewolf just felt sooo out of the place; or how everyone from DAO/A just kept on poping up randomly.

Modifié par Chaia, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:25 .

[goofyomnivore]

Kasces wrote...

I care less about choices mattering from game to game and more about choices mattering within the game.

Word.

[Gileadan]

Ten years after Origins, the only important outcome is probably who ended up as king of Ferelden, and that's not likely to be of great interest to the inquisitor. Even if said inquisitor gets back to Redcliffe / Orzammar / Brecilian Forest (which I think is pretty unlikely), what difference would it make? Redcliffe can either be still fine or rebuilt and fine again, Orzammar might still have Bhelen as king or he managed to overthrow Harrowmont in some way, the elven clan might have moved out or was annihilated by werewolves, but either way, is gone.

Any decisions concerning Morrigan, if she returns in a plot-relevant manner, will probably be handwaved à la Leliana and Anders.

DA2 has the same ending no matter what you do.

Why import at all?

[septembervirgin]

 I think we could see many other sorts of choice being uptaken.  Depending on the prevailing situation among Orlesians, Tevinters, elves, and dwarves in the explored region.  Since the Stone *might* be located under Orlais and Kal-Sharrok is also local to Orlais, we might be seeing dwarven politics once again.  It's obvious that the Dales would hold elves -- as the Dales are also local to Orlais.

Choices and quests might be extensive, the elves of the Dalish lands having the longest elven culture in the region of Thedas so far described, and the dwarven folk of Kal-Sharrok being so closeby the Stone.  Orlais is likely to be heading into bloody war under their Divine, who may declare a March against the Seekers and Templars.  Tevinter will probably want to offer succor, sanctuary, and support to mages giving them a reason to serve Tevinter -- and also to possibly invade Orlais.

The fact that the Sten featured in DAO will be the Arishok of the Qunari in DA3 is a bit unsettling to me personally, but only from a standpoint of feeling that the Arishok shouldn't be overly exposed to foreign influence.  I do not believe that Sten would make a good Arishok except as regards potential large invasion by darkspawn.  Having accompanied the Grey Wardens, Sten might consider it wise to gather information about the process of making Grey Wardens.  I doubt he'd have the wherewithal to gather such information, but an agreement with the Grey Wardens that was sensible to both parties might result in a formation of Qunari "wardens".  The choices presented by Qunari interest in the Wardens in Anderfel could make for unusual presence of Qunari passing through Orlais under banner of diplomacy.  A false diplomatic reassurance could be sent to Orlais in the sense that the Qunari wish to assure the lands south of Tevinter that no unreasonable warfare will occur despite the battle in Kirkwall and that new administration is leading the military power of the Qun.  This could shelter a secret envoy to the Grey Wardens of the Anderfels (while an ordinary emissary into the Anderfels might be considered far more suspicious in passing through Orlais in its present trouble).

I might be misjudging that ex-Sten, whose self-interest seemed larger than his sense of duty -- it could be that Sten might also be hoping to provoke antagonism between Tevinter and Orlais through non-Kossith Qun agents.  Not only would a weakened Orlais make an easier target, but Ferelden could be persuaded not to send defense if the Qun promised to deliver the Divine to them safely (and of course after Orlais is subdued unto the borders it shares with Ferelden).  The Arishok is known for his love of cookies.  I suspect that this Arishok will be eager to do trade with Ferelden.

Since there is so much potential conflict, duty and desire seem to permit a large amount of choices.

[Sanunes]

Personally, I really don't even consider those major choices in Dragon Age: Origins because the only difference is what your NPC helper is at the end of the game and what of two slides you get during the ending slides (which people seem to dislike about Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut). So if its just going to follow the vein of Dragon Age: Origins and be background information of a conversation I have no problem with it, but I don't want it to be a major part of the game when it didn't even feel important in Dragon Age: Origins.

I do believe that this will probably be what happens in BioWare games they don't seem to want to create or prevent access to content based on previous games so we aren't required to buy (or replay) to experience the full content of the game. Unless its a minor change in dialogue.

[EricHVela]

We see those choices in the 2nd DA. One even guides the outcome of an encounter. The others make cameos as passive conversation.

While I don't want to compare DA3:I to other BWE games, I think that's the most we can expect from our choices, or else, we may end up with something that is almost two radically different stories, which might as well be two separate games.

[Kail Ashton]

Yeah, that's all well and good, but hey? remember how DA3 basicly takes place in orlais and not feralden? why would ANYTHING about redcliff be discussed there? in fact why would the majority of those sugestions be brought up in orlais, hell most were covered in DA2 anyway??

and don't "wah wah wah orlais isn't confirmed officaly wah wah it could still apply wah wah wah" it's in freaking orlais and everyone knows it ;p

[Burnouts3s3]

xsamplexample wrote...

 In DA:O, I made a lot of choices...
Did the Dalish beat the warewolves, or vice versa?  
Whos the new king of Orzamarr?  
Whats the state of the redcliffe family?  (queen/conor, dead?)
Morrigan choice?

and in DA II, we made two choices pertaining to the quanari and the mage/templar war.  the choices presented to us are slowly decreasing...

i want to see ALL of these choices play out in DA3, or at least, in some future DA title.  surely these choices have widespread, resounding effects all around Thedas.   Mass Effect 3 flopped because the choice/outcome was all messed up.  Dont make the same mistake twice!

I agree with this wholeheartedly. 

[garrusfan1]

I think it will have a decent amount of imported stuff but I also think we have way too high expectations on import options mattering so much. But I think it will show stuff from DA2 matter a lot compared to what DAO stuff were 

Modifié par garrusfan1, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Teddie Sage]

I actually think they are irrelevant to Dragon Age III's focus (which is probably the Civil War in Orlais & the Mage vs Templars conflict), but sure... If you add some references about those choices through NPCs as auto-dialogues, why not?

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:42 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Exactly.

...I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you.

Everyone does eventually.

[Yalision]

I want to see an army of golems coming from Branka finally. She's been alone with that anvil long enough. Hopefully she is making herself busy reclaiming the Deep Roads now after locking herself up tight. Most likely snubbing the king of Orzammar.

[upsettingshorts]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Exactly.

...I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you.

Everyone does eventually.

Sylvius isn't a broken clock, he just likes being stuck that way.

[Mr.House]

Kasces wrote...

I care less about choices mattering from game to game and more about choices mattering within the game.

Agreed.

[ObserverStatus]

I agree. Also, Conor should be a companion, and if the desire Demon that was inside of him in Origins is still alive, she should be a potential love interest for the player.

[Icinix]

Mr.House wrote...

Kasces wrote...

I care less about choices mattering from game to game and more about choices mattering within the game.

Agreed.

Yeah - it not having choices carry over meant having even greater responsive choices in the singular game - I would be over the moon.

Of course - in a perfect world - we would have crazy responsive choices carry over through all games and it would be glorious and developers last days would be rocking in corners crying 'choices...choices..make the choices stop..'

[Teddie Sage]

bobobo878 wrote...

I agree. Also, Conor should be a companion, and if the desire Demon that was inside of him in Origins is still alive, she should be a potential love interest for the player.

... For you at least...

[xsamplexample]

how hard is it to add some exclusive mission chains depending on your choices/ that would be enough.... Im not looking for some sort of alternate end based off my Urn of sacred Ashes choice....