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[jotun04]

How about this? When killing an enemy in one shot with the Claymore, it is doing infinite DPS. When another weapon takes more than one shot to kill the same enemy, it is doing non-infinite DPS. There is the value of the Claymore.

The amount of damage you can do in an instant (or in the short time before your shield gets broken) is very important in this game. The time spent reloading Claymore shots can also be spent taking cover and observing your surroundings, valuable things that you can't do while continuously firing a higher RoF weapon.

DPS is a garbage statistic when comparing weapons that behave differently in other ways.

Modifié par jotun04, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:43 .

[rymajn3]

I agree. I would love to see a buff.

[cipherknight]

No it's fine . The claymore one shots most baddies and tears bosses a new one it doesn't need a buff.... but I sure would welcome one.

Modifié par cipherknight, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:50 .

[Zjarcal]

Lathrim wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Oh wow another DPS crafter.
Did you completely miss the fact it does more damage per shot than ANY WEAPON IN THE GAME??!

FYI, that is incorrect. The Javelin X deals more damage than the Claymore X, and the same applies to a Kishock X, if the shot is fully charged.

I assume you're taking into account the rank 6 cloak bonus right? Cuz base damage, even at level X Javelin doesn't outdamage a Claymore X (I so wish that were the case).

[rmccowen]

BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

Eh.

If it's about range: You can always get closer. In fact, getting away from the enemy is a bigger problem.

If it's about "secondary features": I can only think of two guns that have those: The Falcon, which staggers reliably and applies ammo powers in a big radius. And the Acolyte, which is a shield stripper and Phantom killer.

Which makes 2 out of 40.

It's not about "secondary features". There are guns not on your list that have legitimate and even popular uses, including the Claymore (that is, the thread topic!), PPR, Collector Sniper, Locust, Phaeston, Claymore, Paladin, Widow, Javelin... my point is not that you're wrong about some particular weapon, but that comparing any two guns is a mix of a lot of separate and features.

It's relatively easy to compare the Phaeston and Revenant, for instance, and sustained DPS is even a big ingredient: the Phaeston offers about half the damage, with a similar capacity, better handling, and noticeably less weight. Which one is "best" depends heavily on the context, and on what compromises you're willing to make.

Should you use an Argus, or a Harrier? Maybe the Harrier, if you have it, unless you don't want to be tied to the ammo box, and the Argus is also much easier to upgrade, so... it depends.

And what about Hurricane versus Piranha? Both are fairly light, both have high damage output, but they do noticeably different things in play. If you ask me which one is better, I'll have to tell you that it depends.

There are certainly cases where one or more weapons are obviously inappropriate (N7 Typhoon on a Human Sentinel). But the argument that there are only a handful of "good" or "viable" weapons getting old; it's harder to compare weapons than you're making it out to be, and the metagame is more balanced than the picture you're painting.

[Maker MEDA]

I haven't played Graal on Gold for a long time, and now with Gears and everything else, with the new buff, even Atlases drop like that, it's pretty amazing comparing to what it was. It used to do like no damage man.

[Heldarion]

Yes, buff claymore. Why not?

/sarcasm off

[Grunt_Platform]

This is a troll thread, right? I'm all for asking for buffs for guns but.. the Claymore? The gun the defines the amazingly high damage curve for Shotguns? The weapon all other guns are measured by?

The Claymore is the most perfectly balanced gun in the game. You need to be skilled to make it really work, but it obliterates anything you point it at. It is one of the few guns that has perfect synergy with both Tactical Cloak and Adrenaline Rush.

If your numbers show the Claymore is unimpressive, your numbers are wrong.

Modifié par EvanKester, 15 octobre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

To keep the DPS up with other weapons you need to stay out of cover longer. With the claymore you spend a fraction of a second out of cover to do huge amounts of burst damage. Sustained fire is much more risky.

[hostaman]

Well, I always thought the Claymore was duff, too heavy and takes too long to load.

But having read this thread .......... Must learn to reload cancel...... I'm on a mission.

Thanks guys!

[UpirNoir]

Uhm yeah, one of the best weapons in the game is unimpressive, sure thing buddy. But hey, I am all for a buff, turn it into a Cain for all I care =)

[heybigmoney]

Never thought I'd see the day that even the claymore became a victim of power creep. Pretty sad.

[rmccowen]

heybigmoney wrote...

Never thought I'd see the day that even the claymore became a victim of power creep. Pretty sad.

The Claymore is still more than fine; the OP is seeing things in his data that aren't there.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

rmccowen wrote...

BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

Eh.

If it's about range: You can always get closer. In fact, getting away from the enemy is a bigger problem.

If it's about "secondary features": I can only think of two guns that have those: The Falcon, which staggers reliably and applies ammo powers in a big radius. And the Acolyte, which is a shield stripper and Phantom killer.

Which makes 2 out of 40.

It's not about "secondary features". There are guns not on your list that have legitimate and even popular uses, including the Claymore (that is, the thread topic!), PPR, Collector Sniper, Locust, Phaeston, Claymore, Paladin, Widow, Javelin... my point is not that you're wrong about some particular weapon, but that comparing any two guns is a mix of a lot of separate and features.

Disagreed on the former, agreed on the latter.

I play regularely with people both above, below and a few exactly on the same skill level as me. Yet, neither when they nor when I use any of the weapons I mentioned as underperforming, unless I/they use equipment items to compensate for it they will always score lower than usual. And how would it be different? 

I can't just change my mindset and the Phaeston will suddenly deliver more damage per second. Someone's using a Phaeston on a Turian Soldier? They'd do better with a Revenant or Harrier. Someone's using pretty much ANY Sniper Rifle? They'd do better with the Crusader.

I'm willing to say that cloak makes a difference especially for some Sniper Rifles, but even then we've got the Ghost Infiltrator putting those to shame with his Harrier; Plus, who's to say only Infiltrators should use Sniper Rifles? What a waste of weapon/class combinations!

Last: I believe the "weight" system, while good in idea, is a complete and utter failure. With ULM and the class talents you can take weapons of different weight to the same CDR, yet the one with better DPS will still prevail as usually even without the class talent weapon damage or one less weapon mod they are superior to their lighter counterpart. Summarized: There's no reason to take a lighter weapon for the CDR as you can take a heavier one with better DPS and still retain that same cooldown with better firepower.

[An English Gamer]

But can those guns function as sniper rifles? Didn't think so.





Except maybe the Wraith due to it being a variation of the Eviscerator but I don't know from personal experience.

[A Wild Snorlax]

If you can reload cancel you won't get out-dps'ed by the wraith no. You're doing it wrong.

I wouldn't mind a claymore buff though. Unlimited POWER!!

[ASSUMINGDIRECTC0NTR0L]

Unimpressive if you can't aim. Pretty damn good otherwise.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

An English Gamer wrote...

But can those guns function as sniper rifles? Didn't think so.





Except maybe the Wraith due to it being a variation of the Eviscerator but I don't know from personal experience.

Every gun gets bonus damage on headshots. And many, if not most, non sniper rifles are accurate enough to hit weakspots at range.

[Influ]

Lathrim wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Oh wow another DPS crafter.
Did you completely miss the fact it does more damage per shot than ANY WEAPON IN THE GAME??!

FYI, that is incorrect. A Kishock X (when the shot is fully charged) will deal more damage than a Claymore X.

You should always note that the Kishock deals 33% of it's damage as a 10 second DoT when comparing it's max damage values with other weapons. Upfront the Claymore still hits a lot harder.

Modifié par Influ, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:15 .

[KriegerGod65]

The claymore only is unimpressive to the people who don't know how to use it, try a smart choke on it

[Gorguz]

Lmao

[llandwynwyn]

The claymore is the best weapon in the game. To be honest, it shouldn't be since it's a rare.