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#151
rmccowen

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BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

I play regularely with people both above, below and a few exactly on the same skill level as me. Yet, neither when they nor when I use any of the weapons I mentioned as underperforming, unless I/they use equipment items to compensate for it they will always score lower than usual. And how would it be different?

But that's the thing--you didn't give a list of underperforming weapons, you gave a list of weapons above an arbitrary amount of sustained DPS, and implied that anything not on the list was underperforming. That is, you wrote off 40 guns, some of which are among the best in the game in a particular context.

I can't just change my mindset and the Phaeston will suddenly deliver more damage per second. Someone's using a Phaeston on a Turian Soldier? They'd do better with a Revenant or Harrier.

You're right, and maybe the Phaeston is a bad example. I have a soft spot for it, but it really needs about another 150 base DPS to make it on Gold...

Someone's using pretty much ANY Sniper Rifle? They'd do better with the Crusader.

...but this is a good example of what I mean. The Crusader is an interesting weapon with some applications, but you're writing off an entire weapon class in comparison--which just doesn't work. The Crusader weighs as much as a truck, fires relatively slowly, and has some weird aiming characteristics that are very hard to get used to. There are a lot of kits for which the Crusader is a terrible idea, but (as an example) the CSR or Indra would work just fine.

I'm willing to say that cloak makes a difference especially for some Sniper Rifles, but even then we've got the Ghost Infiltrator putting those to shame with his Harrier...

The Harrier is awesome, as long as you're willing to tow an ammo crate behind you. Again, it's a weapon that has a lot of uses, but it's not the "best" assault rifle--because its damage per round and capacity are low, and its aiming and handling characteristics are only okay. There's a good argument for the Saber or Argus on the Ghost, for example, or even pulling some build points from Tactical Cloak and switching to the more "traditional" Infiltrator choices of shotguns, Hurricane, or Talon.

Last: I believe the "weight" system, while good in idea, is a complete and utter failure. With ULM and the class talents you can take weapons of different weight to the same CDR, yet the one with better DPS will still prevail as usually even without the class talent weapon damage or one less weapon mod they are superior to their lighter counterpart. Summarized: There's no reason to take a lighter weapon for the CDR as you can take a heavier one with better DPS and still retain that same cooldown with better firepower.


In my opinion, taking Evo 5 of a racial passive is usually a mistake. It's an expensive build choice--I count it as 11 points, since Rank 5 is pretty lackluster on most kits--and most of the time I'd rather use a lighter weapon and invest those points somewhere else. And ULM is only available for two guns, which are among the lighter and generally less powerful choices in the metagame anyway.

In short, I think you're wrong about the weight system. Its impact is moderate, but it's enough to change decision-making at the margin--which feels fine to me.

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Claymore is a piece of junk compared to it's vastly superior ME2 version which was more like a conventional pump action shotgun. In fact a lot of guns from ME2 don't even play the same way in ME3. Basically all of them are worse now.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:27 .


#153
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rmccowen wrote...

heybigmoney wrote...

Never thought I'd see the day that even the claymore became a victim of power creep. Pretty sad.

The Claymore is still more than fine; the OP is seeing things in his data that aren't there.


I agree.  Its well balanced.  But its far from the most dominant weapon in the game like it was months ago.

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Claymore is a piece of junk compared to it's vastly superior ME2 version which was more like a conventional pump action shotgun. In fact a lot of guns from ME2 don't even play the same way in ME3. Basically all of them are worse now.

lolwut ?
There was no reason whatsoever to use the claymore in ME2, because of the Scimitar being awesome, and the Eviscerator being even more awesome (in ME2). The Claymore in ME3 is one of the best weapons out there, if you can handle it.

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UpirNoir wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Claymore is a piece of junk compared to it's vastly superior ME2 version which was more like a conventional pump action shotgun. In fact a lot of guns from ME2 don't even play the same way in ME3. Basically all of them are worse now.

lolwut ?
There was no reason whatsoever to use the claymore in ME2, because of the Scimitar being awesome, and the Eviscerator being even more awesome (in ME2). The Claymore in ME3 is one of the best weapons out there, if you can handle it.


This is untrue. Scimitar was a horrible weapon. While claymore soldier was more of a niche claymore vanguard was great. The claymore was overlooked in ME2 because so many other weapons were good. In ME3 the claymore was popular originally when all the other weapons were crap. The same is true for pistols. With balance changes and DLC they've lost their edge.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:43 .


#156
Gimmethayayo

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Um a claymore in the hands of an infiltrator is 1 shot machine. Especially with the 80% damage boost. Only bosses take more than 1 shot to down.

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You miss a lot, you're in trouble. You don't, you destroy everything.

One-shot cannon. It's perfect.

#158
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Buff Claymore? Yes please.

In fact, they should make it so that when you pull the trigger, everything on the map dies of fear. Including yourself and the rest of your team. No need to even aim.

#159
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This is the worst thread in the history of threads.

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
This is untrue. Scimitar was a horrible weapon. While claymore soldier was more of a niche claymore vanguard was great. The claymore was overlooked in ME2 because so many other weapons were good. In ME3 the claymore was popular originally when all the other weapons were crap. The same is true for pistols. With balance changes and DLC they've lost their edge.


Whatever.....the Scimitar was a great weapon in ME2. Before the addition of the Eviscerator, there was a point with choosing the Claymore as Vanguard (although it depended on your playstile), but the Eviscerator made the Claymore absolute unnecessary.

But coming back to topic, the Claymore in ME3 is an awesome handcannon, that renders utter destruction in the hands of someone, who can handle it. It takes a little time to get used to, and you do need to actually hit your shots, but the thing is definitly not unimpressive.

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/\\agreed

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Took the Claymore out today on the GI and it still 1-shots brutes and is much more fun than the Piranha/Reegar spray in the face "shotguns" and has far better range than both.

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The Claymore is a sexy beast that doesn't need to be touched right now. It eats away armor like nothing else, but it's well-balanced because it's a niche weapon; it's too heavy for most classes and many players pass it up on characters that can wield it because they dislike its single shot and slow reload time.

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no no no please leave my precious alone. Do not ask for buffs. Do not ask for nerfs. Leave my baby alone. I practiced quite awhile to get decent with it. I dont want the devs nerfing it to kingdom come

OP What are you thinking??!?! Why in the world would u want the devs to touch this wonderful gun. It is fine.

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GeneralElectric wrote...
it's too heavy for most classes

I'd say it is perfectly usable by about half the kits available. Soldiers, Infiltrators, some Sentinels, most Vanguards...

Modifié par UpirNoir, 16 octobre 2012 - 01:25 .


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It has its uses, I would dare say it and the Piranha are perfectly balanced now.
Yes, the Piranha has higher DPS, but its effective range is much, much shorter.
Personally, I still prefer the Piranha to the Claymore, I play better with it because I have more ammo at my disposal, and when I am using a shotgun I tend to be shoving it down the enemy's throat.

#167
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please buff it NAW!!! so i can ignore all the weapon challenges and use clamore only.

#168
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Yes, buff the Claymore.

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Savage Baird

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Wait...what? I have you used a Claymore X? It destroys everything. The Piranha and Crusader don't even come close.

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The problem is the wraith is an UR. Most people won't have it at X. Reeger has limited range. Unless you are a turian soldier, geth engineer/infiltrator, destroyer, you're not hitting the broadside of a barn with either the raider or the piranha.

If you want a buff for the claymore I won't argue. Go ahead, make my turian sentinel more powerful.

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the claymore is the perfect gun that rewards good players who can aim. the wraith X is amazing too btw

#172
bob2.0

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I suspect that OP holds the opinion that the human soldier is unimpressive as well.

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The best shotgun and one of the best weapon in the game is unimpressive?

Damn son, what's your standard, the Cain?

#174
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Raw DPS isn't the only important statistic in this game. Sometimes you aren't firing rapidly, just one shot at a time. This is where the Claymore excels.

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kaileena_sands wrote...

But sure... buff it. I'd like to one-shot kill Brutes with it, definitely. :lol:


Infiltrators can already do this to platinum Brutes.