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[andy6915]

ReluctantGangster wrote...
I can just imagine poor Andy confidently downing the vial of dragon's blood as he scrolls down this page, then reading your post.

Not really. As I said, failing the vial works, I'll just literally cut a piece of dragon meat off and eat it. If the blood loses its powers upon hitting open air without special preparation, then eating a bloody chunk of dragon meat will do it seeing as I'll be swallowing blood at the same time as the meat. Or just stick my mouth onto a stab wound made with a sword or something and let it enter my mouth on its own.

Again, icky and would weird the party out, but it would do the job. You have to use a weapon to get at the blood though. Biting a dragon would break your teeth, their scales being tier 7 on a 9 tier scale of hardness.

Modifié par andy69156915, 21 octobre 2012 - 11:29 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

... uh, no he said it had to be ritually prepared. And the PC doesn't know the ritual. One could roleplay a character that would try, but at best it wouldn't get the full result.

Edit: Huh. I was just reading the Dragon Age wiki, and apparently it does work that way. There's a character in the live-action series who gained Reaver abilities that way.  Still, according to the DA2 spec description, it wouldn't make her a true Reaver. As to what that means, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe it has something to do with why Kolgrim/PC/others look human and Nyree looks... 

images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/9/9a/Nyree.jpg

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 octobre 2012 - 11:50 .

[Jordan]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

... uh, no he said it had to be ritually prepared. And the PC doesn't know the ritual. One could roleplay a character that would try, but at best it wouldn't get the full result.

Edit: Huh. I was just reading the Dragon Age wiki, and apparently it does work that way. There's a character in the live-action series who gained Reaver abilities that way.  Still, according to the DA2 spec description, it wouldn't make her a true Reaver. As to what that means, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe it has something to do with why Kolgrim/PC/others look human and Nyree looks... 

images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/9/9a/Nyree.jpg

It doesn't say that she drank it  fresh, whereas the Dragon Age II Reaver wiki specifically states that the dragon blood is ritually prepared to become a true Reaver.

Who knows what would happen to poor, jump the gun Andy were he to neck a vial of the stuff fresh.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, it states enough to be certain she didn't follow proper procedure. I still think there's a good chance jump-the-gun-Andy would end up looking like a rage demon's bastard child.

Is it worth it? Well, if you need reaver abilities, and don't mind wearing a mask around literally every non-adventurer, and completely avoiding templars...

Edit: Although on the other hand, the PC doesn't know Nyree exists, so for all they know it could still be poison undiluted or something...

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Jordan]

No, it doesn't

"Originating from Nevarra where her family owned an inn, for the apparent desire for combat and strength, she started life as a mercenary reaver after killing a dragon and consuming some of its blood to gain the necessary skills."

If she killed dragon and then consumed some of its blood (straight up, no cocktail), it would have lost its magical properties by then, no?

Let's not forget that I could have wrote the wiki for that character, and maybe I wasn't aware that one does not simply drink the blood of a dragon in order to become a Reaver.

Needless to say, I think we can safely trust the word of the codex for now, at least.

[andy6915]

I guess to sum it all up, we don't actually know what it takes for a reaver to be. Origins paints it as just needing to drink the blood, DA2 makes it sound like it needs prepared in a special way, and the movie lets you become a reaver without the preparation but it makes you look like a monster. In short, they keep adding and adding to the lore, making it more and more complicated. I don't know if Bioware just wants to make it more interesting with every showing, or if they just can't keep their story straight about how exactly it works. Even both of you are finding conflicting info are confusing yourselves about it.

So uh... Yeah. I'm lost, and I have no idea if it would work now, it would depend on what lore you're basing it on. Origins lore it would work, DA2 lore I would look like that... Thing Riverdales posted.

[TEWR]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

... uh, no he said it had to be ritually prepared. And the PC doesn't know the ritual. One could roleplay a character that would try, but at best it wouldn't get the full result.

Edit: Huh. I was just reading the Dragon Age wiki, and apparently it does work that way. There's a character in the live-action series who gained Reaver abilities that way.  Still, according to the DA2 spec description, it wouldn't make her a true Reaver. As to what that means, your guess is as good as mine. Maybe it has something to do with why Kolgrim/PC/others look human and Nyree looks... 

images.wikia.com/dragonage/images/9/9a/Nyree.jpg

Well, bear in mind she looks normal throughout the live-action series and when she does that face it seems to be the Reaver ability called... Frightening Appearance? I dunno the exact name, but Nyree's face in the live-action show at that moment seems to be her using a specific Reaver ability.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Wait, wait...we're taking Nyree as canon now? And the rest of that show too, I guess?

Cool. I'm glad we sorted out whether or not templars can get married!

Also, lore tip: Kolgrim says the blood the PC takes is from the heart of a wyvern. Not a dragon.

[andy6915]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Well, bear in mind she looks normal throughout the live-action series and when she does that face it seems to be the Reaver ability called... Frightening Appearance? I dunno the exact name, but Nyree's face in the live-action show at that moment seems to be her using a specific Reaver ability.

Wait, so that's just what happens when you use the frightening appearance talent? So then just drinking it does make you one, seeing as she apparently drank it right from a dragon and became a full-fledged reaver, and the picture of her looking like a monster is just what it looks like when you use a certain talent.

So you guys just ended up confusing me with misunderstandings. Which means I was actually right all along about the Warden being stupid to not just drink the vial or vampire a dragon. I take back my previous post now.

Modifié par andy69156915, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Wait, wait...we're taking Nyree as canon now? And the rest of that show too, I guess?

Cool. I'm glad we sorted out whether or not templars can get married!

Also, lore tip: Kolgrim says the blood the PC takes is from the heart of a wyvern. Not a dragon.

Wait, wasn't it canon?

Also, to Andy: The PC still doesn't know any of this. We know it works this way because we can read online. Nothing the PC has access to will tell them for certain that they aren't killing themselves. So, yes, it can work. That point stands up. The main point, where it's a good idea for the Warden to try this? Not so much.

[andy6915]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Also, to Andy: The PC still doesn't know any of this. We know it works this way because we can read online. Nothing the PC has access to will tell them for certain that they aren't killing themselves. So, yes, it can work. That point stands up. The main point, where it's a good idea for the Warden to try this? Not so much.

No, the book on dragon cults that you find in brother Genitivi's house says that drinking dragons blood gives the cult worshipers strange powers. Upon reaching Haven and seeing people with strange powers, and then after talking to Kolgrim, the puzzle comes together. After all that, drinking the blood to get reaver powers should be rather obvious even in-story.

[vinrioja]

IMO, I think the Dalish Elf GW has the most plausible argument for defiling the urn, regardless of the promised "Reaver" reward. What possible benefit could be gained by the Dalish with the discovery of Andraste's remains? It would serve to strengthen the Chantry and justify the Exalted March against the elves. I thought the Dalish GW responses after the defiling were weakly written in this regard, especially after being given the opportunity to crush the Chantry priestess at Ostagar who asks if he wants a blessing from the Maker. Instead of the flaccid "I did what I had to do" line, the GW should be reciting the Dalish oath, "We are the last of the elvhenan, and never again shall we submit."

[Blazomancer]

andy69156915 wrote...

No, the book on dragon cults that you find in brother Genitivi's house says that drinking dragons blood gives the cult worshipers strange powers. Upon reaching Haven and seeing people with strange powers, and then after talking to Kolgrim, the puzzle comes together. After all that, drinking the blood to get reaver powers should be rather obvious even in-story.

Yes, but that book was written by Brother Florian, and the warden has no idea who he is. So, the warden may or may not believe the contents of his book.

Also, the warden has no way to know if it has any adverse side effects. Even if the warden were to believe Florian's work, only a reckless warden would simply drink the first pint of wyvern/dragon blood s/he gets. The book itself says that the blood may breed insanity.

So, i think that saying it is obvious is too much, it is not really obvious. It is just a risk that the warden may take or not, depending on his belief system.


Even some people in the real world believe that a rhino's horn and blood has some sort of pseudo-scientific medicinal use, that doesn't mean I'd kill and devour the first rhino i see, without first sorting out the facts to be accurate. And even than, I wouldn't. Same thing applies for the warden - what are his beliefs, what is his ideology, what are his moral values, how reckless he is, I'm using he as a generalization.

So, if a warden doesn't just drink it up, s/he's not just plain stupid, and it is really not obvious that the warden will be inspired to kill anything that has a tail, moves and spits fire, and drink its blood just because some chantry scholar wrote a book which the warden chanced upon, and he discovered a village full of strange people that may or may not be drinking dragon's blood to begin with. Even the house near the entrance of Haven possibly reeked of human blood as Morrigan places it. Then enters Kolgrim, with his offer, and his vial of Andraste's (supposed) Blood, not just any dragon, Andraste returned as a dragon. The warden might wonder what would happen if s/he drank Andraste's blood, i mean, if s/he were to believe Kolgrim even for a minute. At best, the warden may be confused and petrified by indecision and would rather avoid the whole dragon blood thing.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Wait, wait...we're taking Nyree as canon now? And the rest of that show too, I guess?

Wait, wasn't it canon?

After a fashion. But in terms of lore accuracy you're looking at fanfic writer, not developer. Felicia herself said she got a few nods here and there for things she wanted to do, but she didn't have access to the Dragon Age Bible and had to make do with Dragon Age: Origins lore (the script was written pre-DA2) and creative liberty.

[Jordan]

andy69156915 wrote...
Wait, so that's just what happens when you use the frightening appearance talent? So then just drinking it does make you one, seeing as she apparently drank it right from a dragon and became a full-fledged reaver, and the picture of her looking like a monster is just what it looks like when you use a certain talent.

So you guys just ended up confusing me with misunderstandings. Which means I was actually right all along about the Warden being stupid to not just drink the vial or vampire a dragon. I take back my previous post now.

I see you are living up to your avatar.

[andy6915]

ReluctantGangster wrote...
I see you are living up to your avatar.

And what is my avatar to you? Am I being a chicken, a rooster, or a c*ck? I want to know what insult I should be offended about.

Modifié par andy69156915, 22 octobre 2012 - 01:25 .

[Jordan]

A c*ck and a rooster are the same thing.

Modifié par ReluctantGangster, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:04 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

andy69156915 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
Also, to Andy: The PC still doesn't know any of this. We know it works this way because we can read online. Nothing the PC has access to will tell them for certain that they aren't killing themselves. So, yes, it can work. That point stands up. The main point, where it's a good idea for the Warden to try this? Not so much.

No, the book on dragon cults that you find in brother Genitivi's house says that drinking dragons blood gives the cult worshipers strange powers. Upon reaching Haven and seeing people with strange powers, and then after talking to Kolgrim, the puzzle comes together. After all that, drinking the blood to get reaver powers should be rather obvious even in-story.

Yes, that is the Codex entry we discussed as not proving whether or not anything else is neccesary. Which is why I had to look at the stuff about Nyree at all.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .

[TEWR]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...


Wait, wait...we're taking Nyree as canon now? And the rest of that show too, I guess?

Cool. I'm glad we sorted out whether or not templars can get married!

Well, IIRC the devs said that bit was a mistake the Redemption crew made. DG confirmed in the past that Templars can get married, but it's rare and requires the spouse to have their own means of life -- an income, a title, some land, etc -- since the Templars often live in the Circles or the Chantries.

Wait, so that's just what happens when you use the frightening appearance talent? So then just drinking it does make you one, seeing as she apparently drank it right from a dragon and became a full-fledged reaver, and the picture of her looking like a monster is just what it looks like when you use a certain talent.

Well does she actually state "Yeah I killed that mofo and drank the blood straight out of its wounds?" Saying "I drank dragon's blood" doesn't really mean "I drank unaltered dragon's blood".

Would she know the actual process of making it? I doubt it. All she would know is that she drank dragon's blood.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 octobre 2012 - 07:29 .