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[ElementDuck]

I don't like them much at the moment. Fighting them is like fighting a mindless death bot. They need to at least somewhat care about their own survival, and they need to act a bit more human. They react to overload sometimes, but when they are doing their whip attacks, it's like they become immune to stagger or something. My biotic charge actually lands me past them as they start flying around, whips flailing in the air.

It just doesn't feel right. They don't react to different guns and powers appropriately.

[Arppis]

Buff it out of the airlock, Commander.

[GhostShadow115]

Exactly.
They need this behavior overhaul so they don't feel like a bunch of lemmings.

Modifié par GhostShadow115, 15 octobre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Nicla Karsavina]

Well, actually you're asking for a nerf. 

Angelwave wrote...

Also please give them a unique voice.  [...]  It would also give players an auditory "cue" as well.

Agreed.

Modifié par Nicla Karsavina, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:03 .

[LeTtRrZ]

While it is kind of fun to farm dragoons for easy points, I do agree that they are on the stupid side. They need the intelligence of a phantom.

[Ziegrif]

Btw... can they climb ladders without all of the ''spazzing out while trying to climb down and then falling down'' it looked... stupid.

[MaxShine]

The Dragoon is just too stupid atm, he is not even very good at his designated role. The only thing he does well is annoying the hell out of you on Wave 6 if the objective is disable 4 devices.

On platinum he is a joke, because people are geared up to fight a lot of armored targets, have ap ammo/warp ammo and he will go down in seconds. This guy needs to be reworked, maybe he needs barriers/health and some damage reduction from gunfire/biotic resistance (stasis too) while his barriers are up, similar to a phantom. When his barriers are gone he is then vulnerable to all powers unlike the phantom.

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:25 .

[upinya slayin]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

 Yes, you heard me. Buff the Dragoon, buff its AI, so that he takes cover at least once in a while, to give us a small reprieve from his Hornet CXXXVIII, and smash spam.

We get it, BioWare, you want a unit that can reliably bust us from cover. Ok, no problem with that.

You gave him a run speed over 9000 FTL. I'm still ok with that. 

You gave him the ability of shooting accurately his Hornet while staggerlocking you with his smash. Still ok.

But seriously, make him take cover. Not much. Just when he gets LoS on the player, for instance. That'd be enough for me. Not for long, maybe half a second. 

But please don't make him act like a ****** running to his death.


Discuss. (If you disagree, fine, but I hope we can have a civil conversation)


inB4 Elitist DB
inB4 L2P
inB4 Go back to bronze.

good luck. i made a thread on this and got instantly attacked

[Homey C-Dawg]

I don't think Bioware wants us taking cover at all anymore. Bombers and Dragoon in particular are always in your face. I know Bioware doesn't like camping, but let me take cover for at least a few seconds.

The metagame seems to have changed to "must always run around the map" (at least on gold games). It's not a big deal to me, since I do that anyway, but I'm not fond of it being the only effective way to play.

Dragoons need, at least, a movement speed nerf imo. I'd advocate OP's cover suggestion, but I don't think they can just reprogram the AI without another patch, which is unlikely.

[Fox-snipe]

DNC Protoman wrote...

Fox-snipe wrote...

Even with armor they are one of the weakest enemies. They are easier to take down than an enemy with two levels of protection as long as you have a decently heavy hitting weapon. They are also easily staggered.

I'll never understand why they are only armor with no health; they aren't a synthetic or true Reaper-ized creature.

Reason I think they are only armor is to allow them to fullfill their function as a rushdown unit to complement the phantom.  If they weren't armor, Stasis would stop them in their tracks like it does every cerb unit.

I was more questioning why they don't have Health under the Armor.  I'm not sure why the 3-level protection system of ME2 was tossed away.

Brutes & Ravagers I could maybe understand, since they've been mechanized by the Reapers.  Dragoons are still at their core organics, just indoctrinated by Cerberus (no where near the level of Husks though).

[Zero132132]

I don't think he even HAS a cover animation. Really, though, his absolute lack of self-preservation is fascinating. He's SUCH a bastard if you're alone and get 'devices' as an objective. Sprints from anywhere on the damned map and interrupts it.

This is something that I think everyone could enjoy, but I don't think they could tone down his 'suicide rush' tendencies without a patch, and that ****'s not happening for a while. I also don't think they'd want to, since that's what makes him such a cover buster.

Honestly, I think they should just tone down his speed very slightly, but that might also negate him as a threat entirely, which isn't good.

[neon skink]

A dragoon is running straight for you, so you shoot at him. He side-rolls out of the line of fire, and by the time he lands back on his feet hes inexplicably now become 3 dragoons, all flailing their ropes of doom.
Space magic at work.

[Davorulez01]

You could give the Dragoon the "bubble shield of denial" that thing the phantoms put up against grenades and player powers that should make them more annoying challenging.

[upinya slayin]

Air Quotes wrote...

I killed 12 - TWELVE DRAGOONS IN A ROW, while soloing Cerberus before I killed 1 Phantom. Cerberus is made of Dragoons now. Entire waves of Dragoons.

lol try a geth platinum. wave 1 is 90% bombers lol

[RedJohn]

Air Quotes wrote...

I killed 12 - TWELVE DRAGOONS IN A ROW, while soloing Cerberus before I killed 1 Phantom. Cerberus is made of Dragoons now. Entire waves of Dragoons.

I can confirm this.

Cerberus waves are made of Dragoons I don't have the exact numbers of them but I think I killed like 4 groups of 3 in a wave of gold, and I think I only killed 3 Centurions that wave.


It seems that Cerberus is firing Centurions and Hiring Dragoons instead.

[Bhatair]

Sometimes he gets stuck on level geometry while making his death march towards you. I like to pretend that is him taking cover.

[MaxShine]

RedJohn wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

I killed 12 - TWELVE DRAGOONS IN A ROW, while soloing Cerberus before I killed 1 Phantom. Cerberus is made of Dragoons now. Entire waves of Dragoons.

I can confirm this.

Cerberus waves are made of Dragoons I don't have the exact numbers of them but I think I killed like 4 groups of 3 in a wave of gold, and I think I only killed 3 Centurions that wave.


It seems that Cerberus is firing Centurions and Hiring Dragoons instead.

yeah... I will confirm this too... It is wave 7 on Gold. There are 3 Dragoons, you will fight only Dragoons this wave, when the Dragoons stop spawning you know the wave budget is running out... stupid

[Silvershroud]

For a while, I liked the dragoons, but by now, they are just really annoying. Especially when you are trying to solo a "hack four objects" wave. If they weren't quite so suicidal, it would go a long way towards both making them less annoying, and surviving longer (which in turn would mean you wouldn't constantly be getting charged by new ones every few seconds.

[HLake]

OR they could just give them the headless kamikaze scream.

Modifié par HLake, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:16 .

[Abraham_uk]

Dracian wrote...

Agreed. Or exchange is armor for health+barriers.

You could have health, armour, then a barrier.
Some enemy types in Mass Effect 2 had 3 layers of protections.

[Kalas Magnus]

Darkelefantos1 wrote...

Can armored units even take cover? I wonder...

[Vic7im]

GO BACK TO BR- no actually, you're right.

[Ziegrif]

RedJohn wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

I killed 12 - TWELVE DRAGOONS IN A ROW, while soloing Cerberus before I killed 1 Phantom. Cerberus is made of Dragoons now. Entire waves of Dragoons.

I can confirm this.

Cerberus waves are made of Dragoons I don't have the exact numbers of them but I think I killed like 4 groups of 3 in a wave of gold, and I think I only killed 3 Centurions that wave.


It seems that Cerberus is firing Centurions and Hiring Dragoons instead.

They're also firing Guardians and adding more nemesises.

Some waves are really nothing but phantoms, 1 or 2 assault troopers, an Atlas, some good old engineers AND A MILLION GOONS!
They spawn behind your back aswell.
I flame grenaded 3 and as soon as the 3 died BAM! 3 on my arse from a spawn.

It really says something when the least bull is coming from the frigging reapers.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:54 .

[Ramsutin]

I also would like to see them not being able to shoot their Hornet MCCCXXVIIIs right after they have staggerlocked me. Smash hits gate and Hornet bypasses the next one.

Also L2P, IIRC you died twice in that one platinum match we played when you were playing an off host Drellguard.