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[KENNY4753]

Terrorize69 wrote...

The Maker will be VA'd by Charlie Sheen...

Fixed, and that would be awesome lol.

Actually though I would like the Maker to be Morgan Freeman

[Todd23]

"The magic will come back... all of it. Everyone will be just like they were." Sounds to me like the elves are going to be as they once were.

[Terrorize69]

Todd23 wrote...

"The magic will come back... all of it. Everyone will be just like they were." Sounds to me like the elves are going to be as they once were.

Would love to see the Dalish reclaim what was once lost. But seems more likely to do with the Tevinter Imperium

[Aldora92]

I would hate to see them reclaim their magic/immortality... they would surely use it to oppress humans for the hundreds of years of slavery.

In all of my plays I was never once horrible to the elves (apart from one play for the wolves achi, i then deleted the character)

[Todd23]

Aldora92 wrote...

I would hate to see them reclaim their magic/immortality... they would surely use it to oppress humans for the hundreds of years of slavery.

In all of my plays I was never once horrible to the elves (apart from one play for the wolves achi, i then deleted the character)

It'd be smarter for them to launch an attack and reclaim their land.  To kick out the humans.  Why regain immortality if you're just going to lose it soon after?

[iSignIn]

Alessa-00 wrote...

After that "not enchantment" thing, he did to the ogre in the Deep Roads, I doubt, that trying to kill him, would be that funny.  

(1) If Sandal is the Maker I will not kill Him, because He's adorable.

(2) How powerful the Maker is is exactly what makes Him a good boss fight.

Modifié par iSignIn, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:22 .

[mesmerizedish]

Emzamination wrote...

I don't like putting much stock in pagan gods

Yeah, okay guy.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:31 .

[Emzamination]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I don't like putting much stock in pagan gods

Yeah, okay girl.

Fixed

[Rylor Tormtor]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

The magic will come back is awfully reminiscent of that one tranquil that Anders gives back his fade connection for a little bit. There might be a connection there.

Also, I have this pet theory that "the Memories", "the Fade", and "Lyrium" are all the same thing, in a way. If Lyrium can store memories, then it seems logical that it can store impressions and feelings as well. Powerful feelings take on a life of their own and become demons or spirits. How exactly the dwarven immunity works, or how magic comes to be, I'm not certain of yet. Still, I hope Bioware have something brilliant in mind for how it is all connected.

As for the rest of the prophecy, who "he" is I'm not sure of, but I'd put my hand sooner on Fen'Harel than the Maker. The Maker will clearly be as non-existent as the christian deity, and its proponents will clearly be as hardy in defending its existence even as more and more evidence crops up that points in other directions. At least, I think that's how it will go. The alternative is never learning any of the secrets in Thedas' history, which would turn me off from this series in a heartbeat.

There is a theory that the Maker IS Fen'Harel. The archetypal pattern of their stories is remarkably similiar, and duping the shems is a fairly tricksterish thing to do. 

[amggrunt]

I just read the Silent Grove comic and it had an interesting part where one of flemeth's daughters tells allistair, that there was no veil in past and that man almost doomed itself by killing of the dragons. Sounds to me like the dragons of dragon age are more connected to magic than people realize.

Modifié par amggrunt, 17 octobre 2012 - 02:33 .

[Emzamination]

amggrunt wrote...

I just read the Silent Grove comic and it had an interesting part where one of flemeth's daughters tells allistair, that there was no veil in past and that man almost doomed itself by killing of the dragons. Sounds to me like the dragons of dragon age are more connected to magic than people realize.

There was no veil? You mean the living and dead existed together in one world? Ugh, I don't think that's a world I want to live in.It's best to repair the veil and let the dead stay in the land of the dead, far far from my inquisitor's sight.

[unbentbuzzkill]

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

[Emzamination]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

Yeah? What if they died a gruesome death like Riordan who got splattered like a tomato or Leandra who got turned into Einstein's bride? No thanks. My inquisitor doesn't want to see dead people and they don't need to see her.Some lines shouldn't be crossed.Even if the veil wasn't originally there, I'm glad it's there now, it's the best thing to happen to thedas.

Modifié par Emzamination, 18 octobre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Aldora92]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

PC can say that anyway with animated corpses.

And I thought the veil was to seperate the makers first children from Thedas... the first childrin being spirits and Thedas having the rest... nothing to do with living and dead co-existing.

[Emzamination]

Aldora92 wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

PC can say that anyway with animated corpses.

And I thought the veil was to seperate the makers first children from Thedas... the first childrin being spirits and Thedas having the rest... nothing to do with living and dead co-existing.

The Dead wander in the fade which is seperated from the material realm by the veil, so it stands to reason that if the veil is shattered, Spirit, Demon and the dead will be walking thedas.

[unbentbuzzkill]

I was just joking if the veil wasn't there demons would be running rampant and the world would be a much more dangerous place. so for once i agree with you emzamination ( i know it shocked me too.)

[LobselVith8]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Would love to see the Dalish reclaim what was once lost. But seems more likely to do with the Tevinter Imperium

Merrill notes that all Arlathan elves were mages, while the same doesn't seem to be true about the humans living in the Imperium. It's quite possible that Sandal's prophecy was addressing the elves, since their lore supports such a claim. I would also like to see the Dalish get back what was lost.

[Emzamination]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Would love to see the Dalish reclaim what was once lost. But seems more likely to do with the Tevinter Imperium

Merrill notes that all Arlathan elves were mages, while the same doesn't seem to be true about the humans living in the Imperium. It's quite possible that Sandal's prophecy was addressing the elves, since their lore supports such a claim. I would also like to see the Dalish get back what was lost.

I don't. That would be a bad idea, simply because the Dalish are too prejudiced and hateful which shows when they can't go 5 minutes without calling a human a racial slur.If the elves were ever to get their power back, they'd most definitely make it their first plan of action to crush the chantry and enslave or kill all humans which would be very bad.

If they do all get their magic back, as much as I hate mages...I hope the Imperium mages are still alive to keep them in check.

[TheJediSaint]

 The Maker returns?
Well, wouldn't that be just biblical.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 18 octobre 2012 - 05:51 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

@emzamination

again with the elf bashing? just because the maker might return and the elves might get all their former power back does not mean the first thing they would do is enslave humanity.

[rapscallioness]

But Sandal's prophecy said "everyone will be as they were". Not just the elves.

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll pick up this very interesting story thread. I hope they do..but, who knows.

Also, I don't understand how the humans would have "doomed" themselves by killing off the dragons. Having, or not having magic doesn't doom a species.

Sooo, it must be something else? Something more. But what could the dragons have such influence over that to get rid of them would doom humanity?

Do the dragons keep something in check? Is there something worse than the dragons? Really, the old dragon gods were..asleep until they were violated by the massive taint of the darkspawn. Then they awoke in..what was it?...horror and pain? Something like that. And became the crazed archdemons

It was not a voluntary thing. But then the whole Dumat thing. The silent one. Basically it seems he tricked the magisters w/ the whole golden city idea, and led them into a trap. Yet, Corypheus still cried for Dumat like a child cries for their mom.

Why would Dumat do that? And was this being really Dumat? Just like the Maker. Some being comes up and says, "Oh, yeah I'm the Maker. Do what I say." But how do we know?

How do we know Andraste wasn't tricked? Or in collusion?

Sigh..whatever the case may be, I hope the devs follow up on this. It's one of the more interesting story threads in DA to me.

[KENNY4753]

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Would love to see the Dalish reclaim what was once lost. But seems more likely to do with the Tevinter Imperium

Merrill notes that all Arlathan elves were mages, while the same doesn't seem to be true about the humans living in the Imperium. It's quite possible that Sandal's prophecy was addressing the elves, since their lore supports such a claim. I would also like to see the Dalish get back what was lost.

I don't. That would be a bad idea, simply because the Dalish are too prejudiced and hateful which shows when they can't go 5 minutes without calling a human a racial slur.If the elves were ever to get their power back, they'd most definitely make it their first plan of action to crush the chantry and enslave or kill all humans which would be very bad.

If they do all get their magic back, as much as I hate mages...I hope the Imperium mages are still alive to keep them in check.

about the bolded part Merrill never referred to any humans in a racist way. She may have said Shemlen once or twice but she was being racist. It's just the Dalish word for them. Also my Warden was Dalish, and he romanced a not only a human but Leliana.

Not all the Dalish in the DA world are crazy racist elves who want revenge. Lanaya didn't want revenge, Merrill didn't want revenge, my Warden just wanted a homeland for the Dalish but not revenge. Most of the Dalish we come across may be a little angry around humans (with good reason) but there is really no proof that the will want to get revenge. At most they would just want their homeland back (which is fair).

[Aldora92]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Would love to see the Dalish reclaim what was once lost. But seems more likely to do with the Tevinter Imperium

Merrill notes that all Arlathan elves were mages, while the same doesn't seem to be true about the humans living in the Imperium. It's quite possible that Sandal's prophecy was addressing the elves, since their lore supports such a claim. I would also like to see the Dalish get back what was lost.

I don't. That would be a bad idea, simply because the Dalish are too prejudiced and hateful which shows when they can't go 5 minutes without calling a human a racial slur.If the elves were ever to get their power back, they'd most definitely make it their first plan of action to crush the chantry and enslave or kill all humans which would be very bad.

If they do all get their magic back, as much as I hate mages...I hope the Imperium mages are still alive to keep them in check.

about the bolded part Merrill never referred to any humans in a racist way. She may have said Shemlen once or twice but she was being racist. It's just the Dalish word for them. Also my Warden was Dalish, and he romanced a not only a human but Leliana.

Not all the Dalish in the DA world are crazy racist elves who want revenge. Lanaya didn't want revenge, Merrill didn't want revenge, my Warden just wanted a homeland for the Dalish but not revenge. Most of the Dalish we come across may be a little angry around humans (with good reason) but there is really no proof that the will want to get revenge. At most they would just want their homeland back (which is fair).

There are a few exceptions to the rule that all Dalish hate Humans, but the fact remains, most of the Dalish are full of hatred.

You say with good reason, I say bulls**t. None of the elves alive today were arround when the humans enslaved them, just as no humans that are arround (save for flemeth, if she can be called human) were there at the time. It is 2 races hating eachother for reasons long dead, and nobody on either side was there during the events.

If history had happened differently there could possibly be NO elves left at all, one of the blights could have killed off all the elves in thedas, yet due to the numbers of the humans who enslaved them, it is quite possible that they owe their races survival to humans.

[Archereon]

Emzamination wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

PC can say that anyway with animated corpses.

And I thought the veil was to seperate the makers first children from Thedas... the first childrin being spirits and Thedas having the rest... nothing to do with living and dead co-existing.

The Dead wander in the fade which is seperated from the material realm by the veil, so it stands to reason that if the veil is shattered, Spirit, Demon and the dead will be walking thedas.

Actually there's very little evidence as to what happens to the dead in Thedas. The ghosts you occassionally come across in the fade and in the materium are nothing more than spirits or demons playing out the disembodied thoughts and memories of the dead. It's entirely possible that there's no Maker or afterlife in this setting.

[Emzamination]

Archereon wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

but think of all the benefits of having a world with no veil your PC can finally say "I see dead people".

PC can say that anyway with animated corpses.

And I thought the veil was to seperate the makers first children from Thedas... the first childrin being spirits and Thedas having the rest... nothing to do with living and dead co-existing.

The Dead wander in the fade which is seperated from the material realm by the veil, so it stands to reason that if the veil is shattered, Spirit, Demon and the dead will be walking thedas.

Actually there's very little evidence as to what happens to the dead in Thedas. The ghosts you occassionally come across in the fade and in the materium are nothing more than spirits or demons playing out the disembodied thoughts and memories of the dead. It's entirely possible that there's no Maker or afterlife in this setting.

^ That's not true,  Vaness was a ghost in the fade.