*i apolagize if this has already come up, i went back 7 pages and found squat*
Retconed Leliana
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vortex216
, oct. 15 2012 05:29
#1
Posté 15 octobre 2012 - 05:29
vortex216
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Why do people think Leliana is retconed after being killed in origins (but seriously, how many people actually kill her. as much as the fans seem to like her, who on their canon playthrough actually kills her?). Wasn't she religous, might have received a vision from the maker, and died in a sacred temple?! Maybe it wasn't an accident.
*i apolagize if this has already come up, i went back 7 pages and found squat*
*i apolagize if this has already come up, i went back 7 pages and found squat*
Retour en haut
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Posté 15 octobre 2012 - 05:52
thats1evildude
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First, let's not call this a retcon. A retcon is a retroactive change to continuity. If J.R.R. Tolkien had referred to hobbits as "gobbits" in the first volume of the The Fellowship of the Ring and then switched it back to hobbits in The Two Towers and The Return of the King, that would be a retcon.
Leliana coming back to life if she was killed to the Temple is not a retcon; it would have only been so if the story had been changed to say she never died there. Leliana states in DA2 that she came back to life, more or less. (Anders' resurrection if he died in DA2 was a retcon, as it was firmly established in the post credits that the mage did indeed die.)
I don't think there are many people who killed Leliana, aside from a few overly loud and obnoxious types. But there are a lot of people who never killed Leliana who complain about her return because they're butt-hurt over something else Bioware has done or just disagree with Bioware over-ruling players' decisions.
The problem here is a divide between the fanbase's desires and the developers' intentions. The players believe that every decision should be sancrosact and can never be undone without heaping amounts of justification. Though they're willing to kowtow to the fanbase to an extent, the devs intend to tell the story they want to.
Was Leliana brought back by the Maker? Very likely, or some other supernatural force is at work. Does that matter to the people who are complaining? No, because what they take exception to is that their decision has been over-ruled.
Leliana coming back to life if she was killed to the Temple is not a retcon; it would have only been so if the story had been changed to say she never died there. Leliana states in DA2 that she came back to life, more or less. (Anders' resurrection if he died in DA2 was a retcon, as it was firmly established in the post credits that the mage did indeed die.)
I don't think there are many people who killed Leliana, aside from a few overly loud and obnoxious types. But there are a lot of people who never killed Leliana who complain about her return because they're butt-hurt over something else Bioware has done or just disagree with Bioware over-ruling players' decisions.
The problem here is a divide between the fanbase's desires and the developers' intentions. The players believe that every decision should be sancrosact and can never be undone without heaping amounts of justification. Though they're willing to kowtow to the fanbase to an extent, the devs intend to tell the story they want to.
Was Leliana brought back by the Maker? Very likely, or some other supernatural force is at work. Does that matter to the people who are complaining? No, because what they take exception to is that their decision has been over-ruled.
Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 octobre 2012 - 07:14 .
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Posté 15 octobre 2012 - 06:23
LobselVith8
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vortex216 wrote...
Why do people think Leliana is retconed after being killed in origins (but seriously, how many people actually kill her. as much as the fans seem to like her, who on their canon playthrough actually kills her?).
It's a recton because the previous narrative of her being a corpse (if The Warden killed Leliana in self defense at the Urn of Sacred Ashes) has been changed to her now being alive. It's retroactive continuity because it changes what was previously established: that Leliana was dead. Bioware is showing a tendency to recton events (like the recton of the Dalish and Magi Boons), the fates of certain characters (like Cullen), and even deaths (from the possible demise of Oghren to the potential deaths of Anders and Justice).
vortex216 wrote...
Wasn't she religous, might have received a vision from the maker, and died in a sacred temple?! Maybe it wasn't an accident.
Oghren points out that a thick wall of lyrium is having an effect on the entire temple; the lyrium is altering the ruins of the temple. As to your point, some people are bothered because Bioware keeps handwaving their choices. The ressurection of Leliana in Dragon Age II was pointless; she didn't do anything that couldn't have been done by another character.
For those people, it's an issue; for fans who were told that their choices would matter, having their choices handwaved over and over again is detrimental to their enjoyment of Dragon Age.
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Posté 16 octobre 2012 - 02:04
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pllllllp....
Modifié par vortex216, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:07 .
