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[Sable Rhapsody]

Foolsfolly wrote...
I'd like it entirely for the same reason I was wanting a batarian squad mate in ME3. It's a companion that gives us a face for a group/race that is just evil for the lulz otherwise. This gives us depth even if you dislike the group in question.

This.  And the magister doesn't have to be likeable or "good" to provide us with a deeper understanding into Tevinter culture.  In fact, I think regardless of personality or gender, if we do get a magister, we'll get a lot of information on the Imperium from someone less flagrantly biased than Fenris.  That IMO is reason enough to have one as a party member.

Face of Evil wrote... 
Oh? How so? As far as I can tell, the only options open to the elves in Tevinter is to a) live in poverty, or sell themselves into slavery.

Varania.  Upward mobility for everyone, elf or human, is dependent on two things.  Magical talent, and the will to use it.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:07 .

[Wulfram]

Face of Evil wrote...

Oh? How so? As far as I can tell, the only options open to the elves in Tevinter is to a) live in poverty, or sell themselves into slavery.

Well, Varania says she could have been a Magister.

And there's an Elf warrior working for Caladrius who appears to exercise some degree of authority.

[Plaintiff]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Uh, please don't make him evil. We already have every DA game with an "evil" mages. I'd like a DA game where the mages aren't the evil companion.

Wynne wasn't an evil companion. 

DAO - Morrigan
DA Awakening- Velanna (Though she just likes to troll chantries and kill people for the lolz but she's still no angel)
DA2 - Anders

I don't see how any of those characters are 'evil'.

I would like to see a Tevinter Magister as a companion. I would also like to see a Fex and a Tal-Vashoth. Basically any group that hasn't already been represented in a big way.

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series. There is no morality measure. Players are free to make their own judgements, and that's a good thing.

[SeanBahamut]

*Signed*

[ImperatorMortis]

Tevinter is the coolest place in the Dragon Age world for me. So yeah a Tevinter Mage companion would be awesome.

As long as she/he is nothing like Anders.

[Maria Caliban]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Isn't a portion of the game taking place in the Tevinter Imperium?

We don't know.

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Tevinter is the coolest place in the Dragon Age world for me.

The less you know about a person, place, or thing, the better you can imagine it to be.

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center.

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:28 .

[King Cousland]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center.

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Which demonstrates perfectly why that whole plot thread was so poorly conceived and cheesy. 

[Wulfram]

Good and Evil exists in Dragon Age as much as they exist in real life. Or at least I'm pretty sure that's the intent.

[Medhia Nox]

I'd be all for a Tevinter Mage... so long as he's not a slaver - nor is he into blood magic - doesn't blather on about the "Glory of Tevinter... blah gag blah" or some Libertarian garbage.

If there is ANY agency in this game... I'm going to shut that crap down right quick. I cannot stand whiny Libertarians.... and I'm exclusively a mage player.

If he is either of these things - and I cannot KILL him/her - I will be irritated.

The fact that I had to watch Anders pull his insane crap in DA 2 and I couldn't turn him in the moment I found his "Mage Underground" and shut down that entire storyline.... drove me mad.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:33 .

[Vit246]

I would very much enjoy a Tevinter mage companion who is not a one-dimensional Chaotic Stupid Evil and mustache-twirling blood mage who summons demons and sacrifices people left and right for no other discernible reasons than for giggles.

Now that I think about it, I want a character like Kreia.

Modifié par Vit246, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Haverrun]

This is the character description from the survey. Not sure how accurate it is, though.
"Dorian Pavus is a magister. The title conjures fear of arcane masters who once enslaved nations. Dorian may wield power of the magisters, but he delights in not being what you’d expect of them. Brazen and clever, this outcast is on a crusade to rid his homeland of its corruption."

[Wulfram]

I'd appreciate just having one human Tevinter who wasn't evil, to be honest. Even if he wasn't in the squad, it would be something.

[mousestalker]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Tevinter is the coolest place in the Dragon Age world for me.

I think you've fallen into one of the classic DA fan errors. You're assuming that Ferelden, as it is to the south of Tevinter is warmer than Tevinter and by inversion, Tevinter is cooler then Ferelden.

Ferelden and Tevinter are both in the southern hemisphere of Thedas, so regions to the south are actually cooler than regions to the north.

The coolest place we've been in game, and probably the coolest place we'll ever go is the Korcari Wilds or ast least Ostagar in the DLC.

Hope that clears things up!
 

Modifié par mousestalker, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Maria Caliban]

Eh, nevermind.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[Plaintiff]

Maria Caliban wrote... 

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center.

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Quentin isn't 'evil'. He is a very sick man.

Under our own modern, rational and less barbaric laws, the genuinely insane cannot be convicted of crimes because they are not in complete control of their own actions.

You can call him 'evil', if you like, morality is subjective. But there's nothing inherently wrong with his actions.

[ImperatorMortis]

mousestalker wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Tevinter is the coolest place in the Dragon Age world for me.

I think you've fallen into one of the classic DA fan errors. You're assuming that Ferelden, as it is to the south of Tevinter is warmer than Tevinter and by inversion, Tevinter is cooler then Ferelden.

Ferelden and Tevinter are both in the southern hemisphere of Thedas, so regions to the south are actually cooler than regions to the north.

The coolest place we've been in game, and probably the coolest place we'll ever go is the Korcari Wilds or ast least Ostagar in the DLC.

Hope that clears things up!
 

Thank you for the clarification. I have learned the error of my ways. 

Plaintiff wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote... 

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center. 

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Quentin isn't 'evil'. He is a very sick man. 

Under our own modern, rational and less barbaric laws, the genuinely insane cannot be convicted of crimes because they are not in complete control of their own actions.

You can call him 'evil', if you like, morality is subjective. But there's nothing inherently wrong with his actions.

What? How is there nothing inherently wrong with kidnapping, and murdering women, using their body parts to create Mrs.Frankenstein, and binding their souls amongst other things? 

How is that not inherently wrong? 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[mousestalker]

Plaintiff is postulating that morality is subjective. If it is, then he may be right. If it isn't, then he isn't as well.

[Plaintiff]

mousestalker wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Tevinter is the coolest place in the Dragon Age world for me.

I think you've fallen into one of the classic DA fan errors. You're assuming that Ferelden, as it is to the south of Tevinter is warmer than Tevinter and by inversion, Tevinter is cooler then Ferelden.

Ferelden and Tevinter are both in the southern hemisphere of Thedas, so regions to the south are actually cooler than regions to the north.

The coolest place we've been in game, and probably the coolest place we'll ever go is the Korcari Wilds or ast least Ostagar in the DLC.

Hope that clears things up!
 

What if the world of Dragon Age has different orbital axes, and the cooler parts are at the eastern and western poles?

What if it's flat?

[Plaintiff]

ImperatorMortis wrote... 

Plaintiff wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote... 

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center. 

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Quentin isn't 'evil'. He is a very sick man. 

Under our own modern, rational and less barbaric laws, the genuinely insane cannot be convicted of crimes because they are not in complete control of their own actions.

You can call him 'evil', if you like, morality is subjective. But there's nothing inherently wrong with his actions.

What? How is there nothing inherently wrong with kidnapping, and murdering women, using their body parts to create Mrs.Frankenstein, and binding their souls amongst other things? 

How is that not inherently wrong? 

There is nothing inherently wrong with that because there is nothing inherently wrong with anything.

"Good" and "Evil" are social constructs. We invented them. Kidnapping and murder are wrong because we believe they are wrong, but there is no objective evidence to support this.

And as I've already said, Quentin was mentally ill, and not truly in control of his own actions.

[PistolPete7556]

This sounds like a fantastic idea. Especially if they were adamant about the Tevinter Chanrty's version of Andraste's betrayal. That extra level of tension would add a lot to the story.

[ImperatorMortis]

Plaintiff wrote...

There is nothing inherently wrong with that because there is nothing inherently wrong with anything.

"Good" and "Evil" are social constructs. We invented them. Kidnapping and murder are wrong because we believe they are wrong, but there is no objective evidence to support this.

And as I've already said, Quentin was mentally ill, and not truly in control of his own actions.

Ugh. You're one of those people... 

There is nothing inherently wrong with anything? Theres nothing inherently wrong with rape? Nothing inherently wrong with genocide? God I hate this line of thinking. Its nothing but cop outs, and excuses. 

So what if he was mentlly ill? Just because he was whacked out doesn't mean he couldn't make his own choices. Excusing him for those actions does nothing, and helps no one. 

This philosophy is just a way for people to deny responsibility for the things they do.

"Hey its not my fault I stole from that guy! I'm not in control of my actions! Hurr hurr hurr..".

 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[Maria Caliban]

Plaintiff wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote... 

Plaintiff wrote...

There is no "good" or "evil" in the Dragon Age series.

That's why the writers spent the time explaining how the man who chops women into bits, murders your mother, and creates necromantic abominations loves puppies and volunteers at the local seniors' center.

Wait, no, he's just evil.

Quentin isn't 'evil'. He is a very sick man.

Under our own modern, rational and less barbaric laws, the genuinely insane cannot be convicted of crimes because they are not in complete control of their own actions.

You can call him 'evil', if you like, morality is subjective. But there's nothing inherently wrong with his actions.

So because you believe morality is subjective, there is no good or evil in the Dragon Age series.

By that rationalization, no work of fiction has good or evil.

Can you provide any indication from the game itself that Quinton was criminally insane or that he shouldn't be held culpable for his actions? Because we are talking about the Dragon Age series, not the world according the Plaintiff.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Sounds like a good idea, imo. It's hard to label a people with a blanket concept of evil without getting to actually spend some constructive time with one of them.