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[KiwiQuiche]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I'd like it entirely for the same reason I was wanting a batarian squad mate in ME3. It's a companion that gives us a face for a group/race that is just evil for the lulz otherwise. This gives us depth even if you dislike the group in question.

+1

Seriously, I'm getting fed up with the "all blood mages mages are idiots or raving lunatics who kill kittens for lolz" we got thrown at in DA2.

But the DA team admitted they went overboard with the loony mages in DA2, so hopefully we'll get non-stupid sane ones in DA3.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 16 octobre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Plaintiff]

Maria Caliban wrote...

So because you believe morality is subjective, there is no good or evil in the Dragon Age series.

No. I believe that morality is subjective, and in addition, it's also extremely clear that the creators intended the Dragon Age series to reflect moral subjectivity. The player is provided with a range of opinions on every subject, by his companions, and the game never tries to impose any sort of morality on the player. The actions a player takes are never definitively stated to be "right" or "wrong". The fact that we continue to argue about each other's choices on this very forum is absolute proof of that.

By that rationalization, no work of fiction has good or evil.

Not really. If an author creates a fictional world where good and evil are a tangible reality, then they are objective in that fictional world. That doesn't change the fact that "real" good and evil are just lies that we tell ourselves to shield us from the harsh reality of a cold and indifferent universe.

Can you provide any indication from the game itself that Quinton was criminally insane or that he shouldn't be held culpable for his actions? Because we are talking about the Dragon Age series, not the world according the Plaintiff.

He truly believed, with incredible fervor, despite a complete lack of evidence, that his wife's... soul, I suppose you'd call it, could be pulled out of the Fade and transplanted into a mish-mash of corpses. And if there was any doubt of the invalidity of his "research", then the ultimate failure of the experiment is definitive proof that he was insane.

[Conniving_Eagle]

You guys said you don't want some one-dimensional purely evil character, and I'm compelled to agree with you. I've had an idea for what traits this Tevinter could have.

He should be an old man, wise, and an experienced mage. Kind of like Wynne. He is a former magister and sees joining the PC as an opportunity to leave the Imperium. He wants to leave because his political career has ended recently. He was forced to give up his position after receiving vehement criticism for being an advocate of reforming Tevinter society. Although he wants to reform the Imperium, he still has some reactionist beliefs. While he will concede that some things were wrong with it, he is a strong admirer of the old, powerful Tevinter Imperium. He would like to see the Imperium become a more powerful and influential sovereign. At the same time (maybe I'm making him too bi-polar/hypocritical), he is also a cynic of mages.

As a Tevinter, he dislikes Andrastians, especially fanatics. Morality-wise, he should be neutral or something like a renegon. He tries to be impartial and doesn't spout his beliefs anymore (he'll dislike anyone who does), but he will be merciless to his enemies.

Should he be a romance option? Maybe under certain conditions, but he doesn't have to be.

That's the kind of character I would like.

[Plaintiff]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Just because he was whacked out doesn't mean he couldn't make his own choices.

That's exactly what it means. That's pretty much the definition of mental illness. If the mentally ill were capable of making their own choices, then they wouldn't be mentally ill.

[whykikyouwhy]

Plaintiff wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Just because he was whacked out doesn't mean he couldn't make his own choices.

That's exactly what it means. That's pretty much the definition of mental illness. If the mentally ill were capable of making their own choices, then they wouldn't be mentally ill.

Except that people can be clinically diagnosed as mentally ill and make the personal choice whether or not to seek treatment. 

[KiwiQuiche]

Easy on the derailing, guys.

[ImperatorMortis]

Plaintiff wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Just because he was whacked out doesn't mean he couldn't make his own choices.

That's exactly what it means. That's pretty much the definition of mental illness. If the mentally ill were capable of making their own choices, then they wouldn't be mentally ill.

What about people who go crazy? That necromancer most likely wasn't born crazy(if he even was). Besides this isn't what this is about.

I was mostly talking about that ridiculous statement that his actions weren't "inherently wrong", and that apparently "nothing is inherently wrong".  

Which is such a load of bull, that the oder itself makes me wanna vomit. 

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Just because he was whacked out doesn't mean he couldn't make his own choices.

That's exactly what it means. That's pretty much the definition of mental illness. If the mentally ill were capable of making their own choices, then they wouldn't be mentally ill.

Except that people can be clinically diagnosed as mentally ill and make the personal choice whether or not to seek treatment. 

This as well. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 octobre 2012 - 01:01 .

[mousestalker]

Back to the OP's point, an active magister as a companion might be tricky. The magisters run the Imperium, so it might be tricky to have a reason for an active ruler palling around with the PC. A Tevinter mage could work very well (I believe most mages aren't magisters, but could be wrong). Even more intriguing might be a former magister, someone who has fallen from power.

[Conniving_Eagle]

mousestalker wrote...

Back to the OP's point, an active magister as a companion might be tricky. The magisters run the Imperium, so it might be tricky to have a reason for an active ruler palling around with the PC. A Tevinter mage could work very well (I believe most mages aren't magisters, but could be wrong). Even more intriguing might be a former magister, someone who has fallen from power.

This is what I want personally, I need to update the OP in a bit.

[Vicious]

We do.

[Todd23]

My Warden.

[ImperatorMortis]

Todd23 wrote...

My Warden.

Your Warden is from Ferelden. 

[Vicious]

Our Protagonist The Inquisitor is from Ferelden, that's good enough for me.

[ImperatorMortis]

Vicious wrote...

Our Protagonist The Inquisitor is from Ferelden, that's good enough for me.

I thought the Inquisitor was Orlesian. Wheres your source? I'm not doubting you, I would just like to get more info. 

[Atakuma]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Our Protagonist The Inquisitor is from Ferelden, that's good enough for me.

I thought the Inquisitor was Orlesian. Wheres your source? I'm not doubting you, I would just like to get more info. 

There is zero information on where DA3's protagonist is from.

[ImperatorMortis]

Atakuma wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Our Protagonist The Inquisitor is from Ferelden, that's good enough for me.

I thought the Inquisitor was Orlesian. Wheres your source? I'm not doubting you, I would just like to get more info. 

There is zero information on where DA3's protagonist is from.

I see. I was hoping to get some more info on this game. 

[thats1evildude]

EDIT: Eh, forget it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:11 .

[Medhia Nox]

@TsaiMeLeoni: You didn't get to spend any constructive time with the dozens of Tevinter mages in the Denerim Alienage?

How about Fenris' master? Did you spend any significant time with him.... did he do anything that might have been relevant?

How about the Tevinter statue in the Circle Tower of Ferelden? Was she once a person that might have shown what Tevinter mages are like? Anything maybe happen to her?

Of course - JUST LIKE LEGION - one Tevinter mage will suddenly convert huge masses of people to believing that the Tevinter are anything more than a bunch of douche bags. Not to say that people don't already have rose colored glasses on thinking Tevinter is some wonderland of magic where everyone throws spells around freely and live like kings.

Sorry folks - some people are a-holes en mass... it's happened in our history - it could happen on Thedas.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:49 .

[Scott Sion]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Uh, please don't make him evil. We already have every DA game with an "evil" mages. I'd like a DA game where the mages aren't the evil companion.

Wynne wasn't an evil companion. 

DAO - Morrigan
DA Awakening- Velanna (Though she just likes to troll chantries and kill people for the lolz but she's still no angel)
DA2 - Anders

Morrigan was more cold then evil.

Velanna wasn't evil; she only killed those humans because she thought they killed her people. If you try to convince her that saving the city of Amaranthine is the right choice you persuade her by saying "Do you want the blood of more innocents on your hands?" meaning she obviously regrets it.

What made Ander's evil? The one "bad" thing he did was blow up the chantry, however his intentions weren't bad and I certainly wouldn't consider him evil because of it.

[Xilizhra]

Such a thing would be wonderful, but even better would be a Tevinter origin story. But I'm willing to forgo that for an elven one...

[garrusfan1]

I like this but I hope it is a mage and not a magister as magisters are evil since they own slaves

[garrusfan1]

Xilizhra wrote...

Such a thing would be wonderful, but even better would be a Tevinter origin story. But I'm willing to forgo that for an elven one...

Yeah that is cool

[garrusfan1]

Pinero anders blew up the chantry which will cause a war that will kill many many people. Yes the Mage towers need to be fixed but not by causing a war

[Vit246]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Of course - JUST LIKE LEGION - one Tevinter mage will suddenly convert huge masses of people to believing that the Tevinter are anything more than a bunch of douche bags. Not to say that people don't already have rose colored glasses on thinking Tevinter is some wonderland of magic where everyone throws spells around freely and live like kings.

I don't know where you got that from, but I'm pretty sure nobody thinks Tevinter is some kind of magical happy paradise. I just don't want every part of Tevinter to be nothing more than a "bunch of douchebags" with a black and white morality. Thats just boring and lazy writing. It should be like Conniving_Eagle said:

Conniving_Eagle wrote...
You guys said you don't want some one-dimensional purely evil character, and I'm compelled to agree with you. I've had an idea for what traits this Tevinter could have.

He should be an old man, wise, and an experienced mage. Kind of like Wynne. He is a former magister and sees joining the PC as an opportunity to leave the Imperium. He wants to leave because his political career has ended recently. He was forced to give up his position after receiving vehement criticism for being an advocate of reforming Tevinter society. Although he wants to reform the Imperium, he still has some reactionist beliefs. While he will concede that some things were wrong with it, he is a strong admirer of the old, powerful Tevinter Imperium. He would like to see the Imperium become a more powerful and influential sovereign. At the same time (maybe I'm making him too bi-polar/hypocritical), he is also a cynic of mages.

As a Tevinter, he dislikes Andrastians, especially fanatics. Morality-wise, he should be neutral or something like a renegon. He tries to be impartial and doesn't spout his beliefs anymore (he'll dislike anyone who does), but he will be merciless to his enemies.

Modifié par Vit246, 16 octobre 2012 - 04:55 .

[TEWR]

Xilizhra wrote...

Such a thing would be wonderful, but even better would be a Tevinter origin story. But I'm willing to forgo that for an elven one...

I doubt it'll be an Elven one. Supposedly, one of the companions that was leaked is a Magister of Tevinter. And a decent fellow, to boot. Doesn't use blood magic -- or if he does, doesn't abuse it. Can't recall which -- and is a good person.

That said, I can easily see Feynriel becoming a Tevinter Magister. Maybe even the Archon.