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[rapscallioness]

I agree about having a Tevinter magister as a companion. Although, I hope "he"?..is a hottie

[Palipride47]

Agreed. For the reasons posted that "you only get one point of view." I would like to see the "other side." and form my own opinion.

You hear from Fenris that there were archons who tried to end slavery (but were quickly assassinated), you learn that elves with magical talent (i.e. Varania) can become magisters (basically, their equivalent of royalty, even an elven Hero of Fereldan can't do that without provoking some serious anger), and that the Tevinter mages will "collar their own" (when Anders asks if EVERY magister is a blood mage). I would also like to hear about the fighting with the Qunari (I wonder how some would feel about having to choose between "the lesser of two 'evils'")

As for the magister, I would think that if he/she was "liberal," I would like it to be because he/she loves Tevinter, i.e. loves the culture, the people, the history, etc, but sees things like corruption and slavery as short sighted solutions that will eventually destroy the nation he/she cares about. Maybe some naivete or some pretention mixed in, I dunno.

I wouldn't want Fenris Part 2: Mage Edition, if anything. I also don't want a Danarius-type sadist following me around. (I would like to find out he is the exception rather than the norm, for complexity's sake, but that's Bioware's decision) 

Modifié par Palipride47, 17 octobre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

[Palipride47]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

Kind of how "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they are more afraid of what a Inquisition of mage-hunting Templar Powers would do (probably something like what the Qunari do to mages) than a passive aggressive Divine who just prefers to never speak of them? Has merit, I like that

[Conniving_Eagle]

rapscallioness wrote...

I agree about having a Tevinter magister as a companion. Although, I hope "he"?..is a hottie

I was thinking of him being more of an old man... I don't know if that still falls in the pre-designated category of "hot".

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I agree about having a Tevinter magister as a companion. Although, I hope "he"?..is a hottie

I was thinking of him being more of an old man... I don't know if that still falls in the pre-designated category of "hot".

The leak pictures suggest otherwise...

[Conniving_Eagle]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

I agree about having a Tevinter magister as a companion. Although, I hope "he"?..is a hottie

I was thinking of him being more of an old man... I don't know if that still falls in the pre-designated category of "hot".

The leak pictures suggest otherwise...

There were leaked pictures?

[Terrorize69]

Palipride47 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

Kind of how "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they are more afraid of what a Inquisition of mage-hunting Templar Powers would do (probably something like what the Qunari do to mages) than a passive aggressive Divine who just prefers to never speak of them? Has merit, I like that

A Tev companion would be the Anders of DA3, waiting for the right moment to finish of The White Divine and her Chantry.

It would make no sense for a Tev to help the White Divine when he or she could be in a position to remove the "heathens" Chantry for good.

It would take a gifted Tev agent to even get close to the PC in Orlais, and convince them or arrange for the PC to recruit him or her. A good willed Tev citizen will last 5 seconds in Orlais let alone join the Inquisitor

[ledod]

yes

[Palipride47]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

Kind of how "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they are more afraid of what a Inquisition of mage-hunting Templar Powers would do (probably something like what the Qunari do to mages) than a passive aggressive Divine who just prefers to never speak of them? Has merit, I like that

A Tev companion would be the Anders of DA3, waiting for the right moment to finish of The White Divine and her Chantry.

It would make no sense for a Tev to help the White Divine when he or she could be in a position to remove the "heathens" Chantry for good.

It would take a gifted Tev agent to even get close to the PC in Orlais, and convince them or arrange for the PC to recruit him or her. A good willed Tev citizen will last 5 seconds in Orlais let alone join the Inquisitor

So there is absolutely no room for any other way of thinking? The Tevinters would just never help, ever?

The White and Black Divine did actually cooperate in Exalted Marches against the Qunari, so I would think, in that case, they consider that there are more "pressing matters" than some old biddy in Orlais. The Andrastian Chantry (reagardless if it is the one in Orlais or Minrathous) is a large counter to the Qunari. I would not want to see that get destroyed, if I was in such a position. 

[l7986]

Hopefully we get a companion from each country in Thedas, but hopefully we get at least a Magister.

[Plaintiff]

agonis wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
And as I've already said, Quentin was mentally ill, and not truly in control of his own actions.

How is he not in control his actions but you are?

This seems to be some strange logic where "people with mental handicaps don't have free will, but I do!".

A mental handicap is not the same as a mental illness, although the two sometimes overlap.

I'm not a mental health professional, so obviously my diagnosis of Quentin should be taken with a pinch of salt. You are free to judge him as sane if you wish, though I don't see how one can.

Mental illness is defined by a combination of, among other things, cognitive and perceptual anomalies. Exercising free will means you have to be aware of your surroundings, actions, and the consequences thereof in a way that the mentally ill are not.

Reading this I come to the conclusion that Plaintiff would make an excellent Tevinter companion. I think I would enjoy similar discussions between the Inquistor (in case we will play one) and an companion very much.

Oh, stop. You'll make me blush.

[Terrorize69]

Palipride47 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

Kind of how "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they are more afraid of what a Inquisition of mage-hunting Templar Powers would do (probably something like what the Qunari do to mages) than a passive aggressive Divine who just prefers to never speak of them? Has merit, I like that

A Tev companion would be the Anders of DA3, waiting for the right moment to finish of The White Divine and her Chantry.

It would make no sense for a Tev to help the White Divine when he or she could be in a position to remove the "heathens" Chantry for good.

It would take a gifted Tev agent to even get close to the PC in Orlais, and convince them or arrange for the PC to recruit him or her. A good willed Tev citizen will last 5 seconds in Orlais let alone join the Inquisitor

So there is absolutely no room for any other way of thinking? The Tevinters would just never help, ever?

The White and Black Divine did actually cooperate in Exalted Marches against the Qunari, so I would think, in that case, they consider that there are more "pressing matters" than some old biddy in Orlais. The Andrastian Chantry (reagardless if it is the one in Orlais or Minrathous) is a large counter to the Qunari. I would not want to see that get destroyed, if I was in such a position. 

If Tev was at risk of the same thing then yes, but they arn't. Their circles are intact, the Templars in line, the Chantry and Black Divine at full strength/power.

The black divine will see the White Divines Chantry on the verge of collapse, he will recognise the vaccum it will leave, Orlais without a Divine or Chantry should it fall. An entire empire ready to fall and covert to The Black Divine should they make a move.

While Tev could benefit from aiding The White Divine, and it may indeed happen if Tev saw a use for them in the future. But Tev has so much to gain by making a move against Orlais and nothing to lose. Would only take one Agent in the right position, like companion to the Inquisitor and The Black Divine can double/triple its influence.


 

Modifié par Terrorize69, 17 octobre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Palipride47]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

An open supporter of the Tevinter is most unlikely, why would a Tevinter agent work FOR the White Divine and a Chantry that isn't their own? The Tevinter refuse to acknowledge the Andrastian Chantry.

Unless ofcourse it turns out one companion is a Tevinter spy in disguise later in the game, then that is likely, what better way to monitor the fall of your enemies.

Maybe we'll get a Tevinter citizen who refuses to toe the official line, a dissident if you will.  Not all Tevinters are one and the same, just like how not all Fereldans or Marchers are the same.  And besides, the Tevinters at very least have a vested interest in the Chantry's war not spreading into their own borders.  Maybe a Tevinter could be temporarily on the Chantry's side to put an end to what s/he sees as a continent-destroying war.

Kind of how "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and they are more afraid of what a Inquisition of mage-hunting Templar Powers would do (probably something like what the Qunari do to mages) than a passive aggressive Divine who just prefers to never speak of them? Has merit, I like that

A Tev companion would be the Anders of DA3, waiting for the right moment to finish of The White Divine and her Chantry.

It would make no sense for a Tev to help the White Divine when he or she could be in a position to remove the "heathens" Chantry for good.

It would take a gifted Tev agent to even get close to the PC in Orlais, and convince them or arrange for the PC to recruit him or her. A good willed Tev citizen will last 5 seconds in Orlais let alone join the Inquisitor

So there is absolutely no room for any other way of thinking? The Tevinters would just never help, ever?

The White and Black Divine did actually cooperate in Exalted Marches against the Qunari, so I would think, in that case, they consider that there are more "pressing matters" than some old biddy in Orlais. The Andrastian Chantry (reagardless if it is the one in Orlais or Minrathous) is a large counter to the Qunari. I would not want to see that get destroyed, if I was in such a position. 

If Tev was at risk of the same thing then yes, but they arn't. Their circles are intact, the Templars in line, the Chantry and Black Divine at full strength/power.

The black divine will see the White Divines Chantry on the verge of collapse, he will recognise the vaccum it will leave, Orlais without a Divine or Chantry should it fall. An entire empire ready to fall and covert to The Black Divine should they make a move.

While Tev could benefit from aiding The White Divine, and it may indeed happen if Tev saw a use for them in the future. But Tev has so much to gain by making a move against Orlais and nothing to lose. Would only take one Agent in the right position, like companion to the Inquisitor and The Black Divine can double/triple its influence.
 

That might be true, but I doubt Tevinter itself is competely stable right now. They have that whole other "society" bit that lies outside the Circle and Senate.

I doubt it very much, with the whole Qunari fighting and endless need for slaves. Disaffected groups (slaves, elves, etc) in Tevinter might take "inspiration" from events in Kirkwall (especially if you put down the rebellion). 

I'm just thinking there could be some motivation to "help" the White Divine. Both choices (nothing and something) are huge gambles.

[unbentbuzzkill]

Aren't tevinter mages evil.

[Cultist]

If so, then I hope we won't be getting another anders, fenris or other whiny bisexual looser with endless complains or stories how unhappy s\\he is.
I'd rather see power-hungry magister, who practices blood magic and not ashamed of it.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Cultist wrote...
I'd rather see power-hungry magister, who practices blood magic and not ashamed of it.

Every character has more than one facet.  You could very well have a Tevinter magister who employs blood magic freely and makes no apologies for it (given its prevalence within the Imperium) and yet still fights alongside the Inquisitor to resolve the current conflict.  It'd be hard to pull off, but it's not impossible.

Personally, I'm hoping for the leaked information about the magister to be true.  Dorian sounds cute 

[Cultist]

Not hard at all. We already seen geth walking on Citadel, Golem walking in Denerim and other sort of weird things.
Of course that could be cut if BioWare will make DA3 protag a pre-defined andrastean or something like that.

[Palipride47]

Cultist wrote...

Not hard at all. We already seen geth walking on Citadel, Golem walking in Denerim and other sort of weird things.
Of course that could be cut if BioWare will make DA3 protag a pre-defined andrastean or something like that.

I would prefer slightly less of a caracature of how awful Tevinter is (I want to see Tevinter myself, then decide I hate it and everyone associated with it) if it is going to be a unabashed blood mage. 

No "Danarius Dos" (basically)

[GodWood]

Plaintiff wrote...
Psychopathy and Schizoid Personality Disorder are personality disorders, which are not the same thing as mental disorders.

Personality disorders fall under the banner of mental disorders (at least according to the APA.) But you said you didn't want to derail the thread any further with this discussion so I'll drop it.

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Killing Conner when it was obvious there was a better solution.

But it isn't obvious there's a better solution. Yes, you could run to the circle tower (which takes about 2-4 days) but that leaves a wild demon that just leveled a city unchecked. By the time you got back he could've killed everyone.

That's why my main warden killed him.  

Sleeping with that Dalish Elf then telling the girl who liked him about it. 

You see that as "objectively evil"? You had consensual sex with a woman. Nothing wrong with that.

Even better you stopped Cammen from being able to reproduce.

Modifié par GodWood, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:41 .

[marshalleck]

 Evil or not, Cammen deserved that. And Wynne approved--I trust her elder wisdom. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:44 .

[Cultist]

Palipride47 wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Not hard at all. We already seen geth walking on Citadel, Golem walking in Denerim and other sort of weird things.
Of course that could be cut if BioWare will make DA3 protag a pre-defined andrastean or something like that.

I would prefer slightly less of a caracature of how awful Tevinter is (I want to see Tevinter myself, then decide I hate it and everyone associated with it) if it is going to be a unabashed blood mage. 

No "Danarius Dos" (basically)

The point of my phrase was - if we can accept that weird things, nothing wrong with magister, who couldn't be recognised once he changes clothes and not waving Imperial Chantry amulets or such.

And Denarius was a cool guy. He is reasonable and gave me 5 entire sovereigns for elven piece of nothing)

[Terrorize69]

Hmm a Tev Magistar agent as a LI, sent on a mission to infiltrate weakened Andraste Chantry and ensure it falls and never recover.

Who can can up falling in love wit the PC and abandoning his mission.

[Plaintiff]

ImperatorMortis wrote...
Killing Conner when it was obvious there was a better solution.

It's not obvious that there's a "better solution". The game tells you that if you rn off to the Circle Tower for aid, that Connor might unleash more havoc. At the time of my first playthrough, I had no reason to suspect that statement would not be supported by game mechanics.

As it is, I sacrificed Isolde on my first playthrough, because she offered herself willingly, but killing Connor is a totally valid and morally justifiable option.

Sleeping with that Dalish Elf then telling the girl who liked him about it. 

Because Cammen likes Gheyna, that suddenly makes her his property? She doesn't have the right to sleep with someone else if she chooses?

And you find my arguments disturbing. Jeez.

If murder and seducing other people are "objectively" wrong actions, then how do you reconcile that with party members, the vast majority of which have murdered prior to encountering you, and several of which have seduced individuals or have enabled the infidelity of others? Do you avoid recruiting them? Do you chastise them for their past behaviour at every possible opportunity? Do you execute them for their crimes?