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[Eterna]

This isn't a plot hole. Try harder.

[Andy the Black]

Because the Leviathans have no interest in stoping the Reapers. They're perfectly happy to sit back and watch the show every 50,000 years as long as the Reapers leave them alone. Getting into a brwal with the Reapers is what they've been trying to avoid and taking over the Keepers would be like poking the bear.

Also they need the orbs the control organics and it would seem organics only come into contact with the orbs by accident whilst exploring the galaxy, at which point a galactic community would already be in place. They would need to place the orbs on to a planet with sapient life, indoctrinate said life to get the orbs to the Citadel and make sure they were the first to get there. Even then indoctrinating the Keepers would only slow the Reapers down and not stop them and alert them to the Leviathans existence, which, as I said, the Leviathans really don't want.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 16 octobre 2012 - 12:20 .

[mumba]

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

[Eterna]

Andy the Black wrote...

Because the Leviathans have no interest in stoping the Reapers. They're perfectly happy to sit back and watch the show every 50,000 years as long as the Reapers leave them alone. Getting into a brwal with the Reapers is what they've been trying to avoid and taking over the Keepers would be like poking the bear.

Also they need the orbs the control organics and it would seem organics only come into contact with the orbs by accident whilst exploring the galaxy, at which point a galactic community would already be in place. They would need to place the orbs on to a planet with sapient life, indoctrinate said life to get the orbs to the Citadel and make sure they were the first to get there. Even then indoctrinating the Keepers would only slow the Reapers down and not stop them and alert them to the Leviathans existence, which, as I said, the Leviathans really don't want.

I'm going to guess you didn't play Leviathan. 

[Andy the Black]

Eterna5 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Because the Leviathans have no interest in stoping the Reapers. They're perfectly happy to sit back and watch the show every 50,000 years as long as the Reapers leave them alone. Getting into a brwal with the Reapers is what they've been trying to avoid and taking over the Keepers would be like poking the bear.

Also they need the orbs the control organics and it would seem organics only come into contact with the orbs by accident whilst exploring the galaxy, at which point a galactic community would already be in place. They would need to place the orbs on to a planet with sapient life, indoctrinate said life to get the orbs to the Citadel and make sure they were the first to get there. Even then indoctrinating the Keepers would only slow the Reapers down and not stop them and alert them to the Leviathans existence, which, as I said, the Leviathans really don't want.

I'm going to guess you didn't play Leviathan. 

Played it twice thanks.

[Eterna]

Andy the Black wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Because the Leviathans have no interest in stoping the Reapers. They're perfectly happy to sit back and watch the show every 50,000 years as long as the Reapers leave them alone. Getting into a brwal with the Reapers is what they've been trying to avoid and taking over the Keepers would be like poking the bear.

Also they need the orbs the control organics and it would seem organics only come into contact with the orbs by accident whilst exploring the galaxy, at which point a galactic community would already be in place. They would need to place the orbs on to a planet with sapient life, indoctrinate said life to get the orbs to the Citadel and make sure they were the first to get there. Even then indoctrinating the Keepers would only slow the Reapers down and not stop them and alert them to the Leviathans existence, which, as I said, the Leviathans really don't want.

I'm going to guess you didn't play Leviathan. 

Played it twice thanks.

Then you should know that the Leviathan want nothing more than to overthrow the reapers.

[excelon]

Some of you guys throw plot hole around constantly, but I don't think you guys really know what it means.

[Andy the Black]

Eterna5 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Andy the Black wrote...

Because the Leviathans have no interest in stoping the Reapers. They're perfectly happy to sit back and watch the show every 50,000 years as long as the Reapers leave them alone. Getting into a brwal with the Reapers is what they've been trying to avoid and taking over the Keepers would be like poking the bear.

Also they need the orbs the control organics and it would seem organics only come into contact with the orbs by accident whilst exploring the galaxy, at which point a galactic community would already be in place. They would need to place the orbs on to a planet with sapient life, indoctrinate said life to get the orbs to the Citadel and make sure they were the first to get there. Even then indoctrinating the Keepers would only slow the Reapers down and not stop them and alert them to the Leviathans existence, which, as I said, the Leviathans really don't want.

I'm going to guess you didn't play Leviathan. 

Played it twice thanks.

Then you should know that the Leviathan want nothing more than to overthrow the reapers.

They were also terrified that the Reapers would learn of their existence. It's why they didn't want Shep poking around the dark corners of the galaxy to find them because s/he would bring the Reapers. Their desire to overthrow the Reapers only became their goal when they thought they had a chance to do so without getting their butt kicked.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Apparently, they can also hemorrhage a Reaper...

[Jadebaby]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Plothole?


Just another example of how people use that word in a completely wrong context....way too much lol

yeah, I'm almost certain only a handful of people know what it means.

No, I know what the word means. I just didn't think out the scenario well enough. Still, my bad.

[Jadebaby]

Mumba1511 wrote...

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

Er.. Vigil tells us so. The catalyst couldn't rely on a synthetic to activate the relay each cycle because there's a higher chance the synthetic could be corrupted than an organic.

[Kabooooom]

They were also terrified that the Reapers would learn of their existence. It's why they didn't want Shep poking around the dark corners of the galaxy to find them because s/he would bring the Reapers. Their desire to overthrow the Reapers only became their goal when they thought they had a chance to do so without getting their butt kicked.

Pretty much this. You ironically demonstrated that you paid better attention to the plot of Leviathan than eterna did, lol.

In fact, it took considerable twisting of their arms...erm....tentacles by Shep for them to even consider the idea of throwing themselves into the war. At first they were pretty pissed that Shep came there, and tried all the could to prevent him from doing that, then they were content with keeping him there as a thrall. They had no intention of leaving that world to join the fight until Shep convinced them to.

[Kabooooom]

Argh double post

Modifié par Kabooooom, 16 octobre 2012 - 01:09 .

[Jadebaby]

Kabooooom wrote...

They were also terrified that the Reapers would learn of their existence. It's why they didn't want Shep poking around the dark corners of the galaxy to find them because s/he would bring the Reapers. Their desire to overthrow the Reapers only became their goal when they thought they had a chance to do so without getting their butt kicked.

Pretty much this. You ironically demonstrated that you paid better attention to the plot of Leviathan than eterna did, lol.

In fact, it took considerable twisting of their arms...erm....tentacles by Shep for them to even consider the idea of throwing themselves into the war. At first they were pretty pissed that Shep came there, and tried all the could to prevent him from doing that, then they were content with keeping him there as a thrall. They had no intention of leaving that world to join the fight until Shep convinced them to.

I didn't think it was Shep that convinced them. I think it was the fact that the Reapers now knew where the Levi's were. That's what drew them into it. "Whether you like it or not, you're apart of this war now."

[mumba]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

Er.. Vigil tells us so. The catalyst couldn't rely on a synthetic to activate the relay each cycle because there's a higher chance the synthetic could be corrupted than an organic.

Meh, forgot about that. xD

[Jadebaby]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

Er.. Vigil tells us so. The catalyst couldn't rely on a synthetic to activate the relay each cycle because there's a higher chance the synthetic could be corrupted than an organic.

Meh, forgot about that. xD

lol if you forget about my misuse of plot hole, we're even

[Doctoglethorpe]

Don't worry about it, you think too much. 

But yeah, this is less a plot hole and more a.. plot split end hairs.. things...  Which is almost as bad imo, but not quite the same. 

ME3's lusious locks are just brimming with split ends.  Needs a hair cut really badly. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 16 octobre 2012 - 01:34 .

[devSin]

Their little backpacks generate a shield that blocks indoctrination signals.

It also stores cookies and milk, for nap time.

[Bill Casey]

Chorban's e-mail (If you scanned the Keepers)

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Sovereign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheans! It may have been made by something far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban

Codex

No matter how many keepers die due to old age, violence, or accident, they maintain a constant number. No one has discovered the source of new keepers, but some hypothesize they are genetic constructs: biological androids created somewhere deep in the inaccessible core of the Citadel itself.

[enayasoul]

Because they weren't at war with the Reapers! You can't stop the harvest. LOL!

[Kabooooom]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I didn't think it was Shep that convinced them. I think it was the fact that the Reapers now knew where the Levi's were. That's what drew them into it. "Whether you like it or not, you're apart of this war now."

Right, which Shep pointed out to them. Seconds earlier in that transaction the Levi's were all hellbent on keeping Shep there to play with like a kid with a new toy, while the galaxy burned around them.

Also, it is implied throughout the Leviathan story that they can actually move through space somehow. ie - the Reaper's are 'tracking' them from system to system, one of them somehow took out a Reaper which crashed on Dis, the orbs require transport to various locations by organics or direct deposition by the Leviathans, and they made it to Despoina which was not their homeworld and even more unlikely that they would abandon such technology.

So it may be that they were not so afraid of the Reapers locating their *current* hiding spot, but that the Reapers were now fully, 100% aware of their existence and would not stop until they were exterminated for good this time. It's easy to hide in the depths of a random ocean world - there's probably hundreds in the relay network - but it's much harder to do so with the Reapers constantly on your ass.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Ithurael]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Or just "Why didn't they indoctrinate their thralls to not make AI's?".

But nope, gotta make another AI to fight AI's I guess.

this makes more sense

[ahnariprellik]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


- Leviathans can indoctrinate organic minds.

- Keepers are organic.

Now, before you say. But Leviathans didn't have orbs to get onto Citadel!1!1

They had 50,000 years in between cycles to use these orbs to indoctrinate other organics into taking the orbs to the Citadel. Since, you know, the Reapers would be back in dark space and the Citadel would be sitting there for the taking.

Discuss.

I dont think they're organic. At least not fully. They are programmed for a specific function which was to let the Reapers through the Citadel relay from darkspace. Until ME1 when the Protheans rewrote teh Keepers during their cycle so the Reapers had to send Sovereign, with Saren's help to the Citadel to manually open the relay.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


- Leviathans can indoctrinate organic minds.

- Keepers are organic.

Now, before you say. But Leviathans didn't have orbs to get onto Citadel!1!1

They had 50,000 years in between cycles to use these orbs to indoctrinate other organics into taking the orbs to the Citadel. Since, you know, the Reapers would be back in dark space and the Citadel would be sitting there for the taking.

Discuss.

I have several theories:

1) They're really stupid cuttlefish.

2) They didn't know the Citadel existed.

3) They're lazy.

4) They were waiting for the Protheans to come along and modify the Keepers.

5) Mac Walters made up the Leviathans in ME3.

6) The Levianthans were really dumb, stupid cuttlefish.

7) They were afraid, and were living fossils with so few of them left that they didn't want any other organics to know about them for fear that the organics would become indoctrinated by the reapers and betray them.

8) They're really dumb.

9) Mac made them up in ME3.

10) What do you expect from calamari?