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[Cobretti ftw]

Yep, it doesent make anysense. Leviathans are just retarded.

[bboynexus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

Er.. Vigil tells us so. The catalyst couldn't rely on a synthetic to activate the relay each cycle because there's a higher chance the synthetic could be corrupted than an organic.

PATENTLY FALSE.

Vigil says that ORGANICS are difficult to control, as evidenced by the way the Keepers evolved to respond only to the Citadel. This is why Sovereign used the Geth. "Non-organic servants like the Geth would be more predictable".

Modifié par bboynexus, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:52 .

[Wayning_Star]

Bill Casey wrote...

Chorban's e-mail (If you scanned the Keepers)

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Sovereign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheans! It may have been made by something far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban

Codex

No matter how many keepers die due to old age, violence, or accident, they maintain a constant number. No one has discovered the source of new keepers, but some hypothesize they are genetic constructs: biological androids created somewhere deep in the inaccessible core of the Citadel itself.

Thanks Bill, I remember that...now. lol  It's even weird to actually know that their are organic robots in the MEU. I wonder if they'll turn sentiapient and get all up in their creators face with it? heheh

[Wayning_Star]

bboynexus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

What makes you think Keepers are organic?

Er.. Vigil tells us so. The catalyst couldn't rely on a synthetic to activate the relay each cycle because there's a higher chance the synthetic could be corrupted than an organic.

PATENTLY FALSE.

Vigil says that ORGANICS are difficult to control, as evidenced by the way the Keepers evolved to respond only to the Citadel. This is why Sovereign used the Geth. "Non-organic servants like the Geth would be more predictable".

yeah, synthetic life forms are impervious to indoctrination, must be why the reapers have to make deals with the Gethian.(<< Quarian machine mind

[ahnariprellik]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Chorban's e-mail (If you scanned the Keepers)

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Sovereign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheans! It may have been made by something far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban

Codex

No matter how many keepers die due to old age, violence, or accident, they maintain a constant number. No one has discovered the source of new keepers, but some hypothesize they are genetic constructs: biological androids created somewhere deep in the inaccessible core of the Citadel itself.

Thanks Bill, I remember that...now. lol  It's even weird to actually know that their are organic robots in the MEU. I wonder if they'll turn sentiapient and get all up in their creators face with it? heheh

Organic robots? Think this disproves starbrat when he said that synthesis had failed on their past attempts. That is exactly what happens when you choose synthesis. Everyone becomes an organic robot essentially. So just more proof that starbrat is lying IMO.

[3DandBeyond]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Or just "Why didn't they indoctrinate their thralls to not make AI's?".

But nope, gotta make another AI to fight AI's I guess.

Exactly.  The Leviathans are the stupidest organics ever and considering the human ability to do dumb things, that's saying something.  But, in this game these smart Leviathans couldn't make their thralls stop making synthetics that are killing organics?  And because they're so smart the only thing they could come up with was to create an AI to stop this from happening.  Huh?  What the heck was that thrall ability for?  It was pretty persistent since those miners lost ten years of their lives to it. 

[silentassassin264]

They didn't make an AI to fight AIs. They made an AI to figure out what was going on with AIs killing their thralls. That is like the President making a task force to analyze how something went down. The Intelligence used it's mandate to go beyond what was actually intended but still technically within its restraints.

[3DandBeyond]

silentassassin264 wrote...

They didn't make an AI to fight AIs. They made an AI to figure out what was going on with AIs killing their thralls. That is like the President making a task force to analyze how something went down. The Intelligence used it's mandate to go beyond what was actually intended but still technically within its restraints.

I don't know if this is in response to what I said or the OP, but the AI wasn't tasked with figuring that out, but with creating (here goes) according to the kid, a connection between synthetics and organics, balance and peace between the two and so on.  He was to keep them from killing them, yes, but in doing this, he kills organics.  The kid specifically says the destruction of his creators was necessary.  That's not preservation, that is similar to what Sovereign said, destruction.

I'd say you are totally correct-the AI only sees the death of organics as necessary. 

[silentassassin264]

I am not saying it isn't destruction, the Catalyst clearly went beyond the Leviathans or they wouldn't trying to kill the Reapers. What I am saying is that people implying the Leviathans built the Catalyst to create Reapers and kill organics are wrong. The Catalyst was made to be a task force and get the thralls and AIs to work together and the Catalyst did what they did not expect by killing everything and processing it into a synth-organic reaper as a valid solution. I don't think anyone would have expected that.