41 réponses à ce sujet

[Waffelmeister]

 Seriously guys.

Pretty much any power is 50k damage for 20 points, whereas pretty much any weapon is almost 3 times that for half as many points!

What the hell? Not balanced. 

Also, 200 waves for 20 points is a bit ridiculous as well. That's 1 challenge point a match, and you can easily clear out a power challenge or even two spamming it on solo.

It's craziness. I love the concept and implementation, but as everything, difficulty vs. reward needs to be looked at and potentially balanced. I mean come on. Mathemagician is so easy to get.

[capn233]

Play a weapon based class for the weapon achievements.

[jaydubs67]

Grenade damage challenge - 100k, 200k, 300k.

Melee damage challenge - 250k, 500k, 1,000k.

Er... what?

[PDHoops]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Grenade damage challenge - 100k, 200k, 300k.

Melee damage challenge - 250k, 500k, 1,000k.

Er... what?

Yes agreed, I meleed my way through a whole match pretty much with a krogan with all the melee trimmings and barely made a dent in it. Yet on grenade damage, after 1 match casually chucking some lift grenades around every now and again with an AV, im at 20%

[Manuel La Bor]

If I were at all interested in challenges I'd be inclined to agree with ya. That hardly seem's fair, though possibly those challenges were meant to be actual long term goals instead of a couple hours of power grinding.

[Waffelmeister]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Grenade damage challenge - 100k, 200k, 300k.

Melee damage challenge - 250k, 500k, 1,000k.

Er... what?

That one is pretty insane too. I think it's based on how many kits can do something, rather than how hard it is to do. I guess they thought we were going to just unlock these by playing naturally. 

[Waffelmeister]

Manuel La Bor wrote...

If I were at all interested in challenges I'd be inclined to agree with ya. That hardly seem's fair, though possibly those challenges were meant to be actual long term goals instead of a couple hours of power grinding.

The power ones are literally 1-2 matches at the very most.

However even if they weren't, the long term goals SHOULD be worth more, right? Certainly not the same/less.

/sadwaffles

[HungoverUnicorn]

 any class can have any wapon. thats what balances it.

[count_4]

Well, you can always fire a weapon for a relative steady amount of damage. Sure it might take some matches but you would consistently make progress. Try that with Stasis and Pull for example. Takes ages as you can only do it solo and killing something with Pull takes forever.

The overall problem is that you're not actually doing damage with Powers in general. You're doing damage with BEs and have to deliberately go out of your way to complete the challenges at times.

Modifié par count_4, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:25 .

[llandwynwyn]

PDHoops wrote...

Yes agreed, I meleed my way through a whole match pretty much with a krogan with all the melee trimmings and barely made a dent in it. Yet on grenade damage, after 1 match casually chucking some lift grenades around every now and again with an AV, im at 20%

Played 3G matches with the Shadow, played another G match with my Kroguard meleeing all that I could...and still don't have Melee Damage 1. :mellow:

[JameJame456xx]

count_4 wrote...

Well, you can always fire a weapon for a relative steady amount of damage. Sure it might take some matches but you would consistently make progress. Try that with Stasis and Pull for example. Takes ages as you can only do it solo and killing something with Pull takes forever.

The overall problem is that you're not actually doing damage with Powers in general. You're doing damage with BEs and have to deliberately go out of your way to complete the challenges at times.

How do you get points for stasis anyhow?

[Micah3sixty]

llandwynwyn wrote...

PDHoops wrote...

Yes agreed, I meleed my way through a whole match pretty much with a krogan with all the melee trimmings and barely made a dent in it. Yet on grenade damage, after 1 match casually chucking some lift grenades around every now and again with an AV, im at 20%

Played 3G matches with the Shadow, played another G match with my Kroguard meleeing all that I could...and still don't have Melee Damage 1. :mellow:

I don't think Shadow Strike counts towards the melee challange, at least I didn't notice anyincrease.  Go with a heavy hitting AoE melee build, such as a Havoc, Ghost, or Geth.

[Elecbender]

Considering I finished the N7 Eagle challenge in 2 matches, I think its fair. Ultimately your weapon ends up contributing more points overall than powers.

The melee challenge is personally the only one that's extremely high for what it is.

[Waffelmeister]

HungoverUnicorn wrote...

 any class can have any wapon. thats what balances it.

I can get 3-6 power challenges using 3 different characters in the time it takes me to pull a single weapon challenge that's worth 1/2 the points of a power challenge.

If the power challenges were hard, then you wouldn't see so many mathemagician banners.

Modifié par Waffelmeister, 15 octobre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Waffelmeister]

count_4 wrote...

Well, you can always fire a weapon for a relative steady amount of damage. Sure it might take some matches but you would consistently make progress. Try that with Stasis and Pull for example. Takes ages as you can only do it solo and killing something with Pull takes forever.

The overall problem is that you're not actually doing damage with Powers in general. You're doing damage with BEs and have to deliberately go out of your way to complete the challenges at times.

You get points for the priming power when detonating.

[BeardyMcGoo]

JameJame456xx wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Well, you can always fire a weapon for a relative steady amount of damage. Sure it might take some matches but you would consistently make progress. Try that with Stasis and Pull for example. Takes ages as you can only do it solo and killing something with Pull takes forever.

The overall problem is that you're not actually doing damage with Powers in general. You're doing damage with BEs and have to deliberately go out of your way to complete the challenges at times.

How do you get points for stasis anyhow?

Use it.

[Waffelmeister]

Bump for more opinions?

[neteng101]

I plan to just unlock banners and look as challenges as motivation to do something other then the "norm"... really don't think soloing bronze was Bioware's idea of how all these challenges should be done. I'm working on multiple 200 waves for a banner now since I figure less people will work for that, so it'll be a somewhat less frequently used banner.

I think the cheapest/lowest banner is Lone Wolf now - given the glitch that I'm sure quite a few people took advantage of. Whenever I see one I don't know if its legit or not. Sad.

[ZombieGambit]

jaydubs67 wrote...

Grenade damage challenge - 100k, 200k, 300k.

Melee damage challenge - 250k, 500k, 1,000k.

Er... what?

Yeah...

I'm never going to get the melee damage one. It's too much work and this game is pretty intent on you not using melee as your main strategy past Silver.

I wonder if melee gear and equipment can be used to increase damage output even if enemies die with, say, half the damage. So if I make the total damage of melee around 1500 and then play Bronze and kill enemies with like 800 damage, does 1500 damage get added to the total or is it still 800 no matter what?

[UpirNoir]

The melee numbers are insane. I soloed bronze with my KroSel doing nothing but melee before actually looking at the numbers, and was surprised that I didn't get melee 1, because I melee'd in matches before as well. Then I looked at the numbers and was :blink:

It would be ok, if others were that high as well, but right now they are too high in comparison (especially compared to nades)

Modifié par UpirNoir, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:18 .

[soulstriker09]

yeah I agree with the melee...
is it better to try for the grabs medal instead?

[N7 ElusiveOne]

soulstriker09 wrote...

yeah I agree with the melee...
is it better to try for the grabs medal instead?

Headshots x3, Grenade x3, Cover Grabs x2, and Melee 1.

Seems the best way to go about it.

Modifié par ElusiveOneN7, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:22 .

[soulstriker09]

ElusiveOneN7 wrote...

soulstriker09 wrote...

yeah I agree with the melee...
is it better to try for the grabs medal instead?

Headshots x3, Grenade x3, Cover Grabs x2, and Melee 1.

Seems the best way to go about it.

haha never thought of separating them d'oh  
thanks! 

[Trae ThaThruth]

Lol I got the geth AR done in 5 matches took that much if not a few matches more for stasis and there is less points in stasis..

Giving some powers don't work on some units and only a few classes can be used for the power challenge while guns hit all and can be used on all classes I find the amounts fair

[dabull1014]

I agree that the balance is a little off. However, this is a third person shooter. I would expect to use guns a lot, even on a power based class.