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The Future of Sustained Fire (The Real Buff all the Things. Assault rifles finished, Page 7.)


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Disclaimer: The Buff in the OP is not the only buff endorsed by its thread, don't let it stop you from reading the others. They are linked to at the bottom of the OP.


"There once was a man who saved the Locust. He came back to save the Raptor. Now.... Once again he returns from dark space..... To save everything."


Ultimately, mass effect three Mp is a fun, action packed game. There are so many choices. So many stratagies one can choose.

However. 
There are so many underachievers as well.
There is a damage economy is currently in wack.

In this thread, I will be making a proposal for every low-medium weight underachiever, based on comprable weapons, or based on a proposal given to another comparable weapon.

I will begin working on the next gun immidiately after I recieve critisim for the gun before it.

First, I am going to start out by revealing the two weapons that I will base most of the following changes on.

Locust:
Level X DPS: 467.
Accuracy: Very High.
Weight at X: .3
Special features: 
Extiemely high and easy to achieve headshot DPS.
Easily customizable.
Given Sidearm treatment. -Indicator.

Tempest:
Level X DPS: 643.
Accuracy: Moderate (Easily counterable to: Moderate-High.)
Weight at X: .3
Special features: 
Very solid automatic weapon.
Given sidearm treatment. - Indicator.

Why are we looking at these weapons?
These two guns currently serve as the baseline of what makes for an acceptable automatic weapon. 
However, Not a single one of the upcoming .5 guns comes close to matching their performance, and much less actual utility to weight.

Utility?
I am using utility to refer to... Utility.
The relationship of how easy the item is, to how effective it is.
A hard to use weapon can be impossibly effecitve, but have low utility due to being.... Impossible to utilize normally, being overly specialized, or simply being unreliable.
An easy to use weapon could be weak, and thus maintain its low utility.... Due to being weak.
This represents how useable a weapon is.

In light of this, I lead you t the most unusable weapon in the game. The gun that must be addressed before we can make any progress on the other, "Rarer" .5 weight guns. If we don't have a well balanced basic assault rifle to pattern all the others off of, we are getting nowhere.

The Avengrer:
Current DPS at X: 400
Accuracy: High.
Weight at X: .5
Notes: 
First weapon you will likely use in ME3 Mp.
Basic pattern for all assault rifles.
Very easy to use.

Whats wrong? Its basically the one gun you should never use. When you get it, there is already a better option just sitting there, at half the weight, and 50% more damage.

Worse: As long as this pattern for all the other low weight, sustained fire guns is unusable..... We simply cannot expect these other guns to get much better.
Imagine the Avenger as a post that all these other low level guns are chained too. If we dont move the post, nothings going to happen for our other guns in the .5 weight catagory.

Ultimately, this starter assault rifle needs to become able to compete with the .3 weight smgs.

My reccomendation:
Buff the damage by 30%
[321-401] to [428 to 521]

Wait? Why isn't it as strong as the tempest?
While it is heavier, its still far more accurate then the tempest. It has greater customizability, hence why it is getting bumped up to 521 as a basic boost.

The real problem was that its base damage per second was lower then the Locusts, while being much heavier.
Ultimately, its utility is left slightly higher then both .3 guns (Arguebly,) leaving it in a place where it is still suitable to be a starting weapon, but still effecitve enough to have a limited role right until the end of the game.

Next weapon: 
Collectror Assault Rifle

Finished weapons:
Disciplre.
Geth Prulse Rifle
Scimitrar.
Evisceratror.
Katanar.
Vindicatror.
Phaestron.
Collectror Assault Rifle.

Modifié par Rokayt, 25 octobre 2012 - 08:46 .


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Abramsrunner

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INB4 it's a common weapon.

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M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

INB4 it's a common weapon.


Its so I can buff the GPR and the Desciple, which will be my next long post.

Which..... Is coming as soon as someone tells me which one they are more interested. :whistle:

This thread is basically: I propose a buff. People go "Huh?!!?" and vote on the next buff I have planned to be revealed.

I have a lot of these things planned.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:46 .


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Abramsrunner

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Rokayt wrote...

M1A2 Abrams Tank wrote...

INB4 it's a common weapon.


Its so I can buff the GPR and the Desciple, which will be my next long post.

Which..... Is coming as soon as someone tells me which one they are more interested. :whistle:

Do the GPR first, we need better assault rifles and there is lot of good shotguns at the moment.

And i do like the Avenger so i would like a buff.

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First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.

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Can the katana get some love too?

Please?

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Rokayt

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OperatingWookie wrote...

Can the katana get some love too?

Please?


Its a late chapter in the shotgun tech tree.

However.... It will come.


Kenadian wrote...

First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.


The New avenger is almost as strong as the heavier, more spready Phaeston....

Coinicidence?

It will be getting love.

Currently, the split for next weapon is split evenly between a shotgun and an assault rifle.
Can we get a tie breaker, so I can begin writing my next post?

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .


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Kenadian wrote...

First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.


by calling people plebes, you become one. 

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Until they fix the useless dud of a nerfed Typhoon, there is no hope in this game for sustained fire weapons!

+Damage on the AR HVB should have been mandatory, it would have gone along way towards making stuff like the Phaeston, GPR, etc better than weak sauce.

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DHKany wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.


by calling people plebes, you become one. 


I fixed it shortly after I was corrected.
No need to perpetuate the conflict.

I still need a tie breaker on the GPR / Disciple vote.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:53 .


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I agree with Avenger, GPR, and Disc., but not the ego-stroking. Don't turn into Loki.

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Uchimura wrote...

I agree with Avenger, GPR, and Disc., but not the ego-stroking. Don't turn into Loki.


It is sarcastic ego stroking. By no means do I think myself a god.

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Bookmark'd.

This will be interesting. Perhaps Rokayts most ambitious attempt yet.

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Buff all the things.

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im curious to see more of your thoughts. lately I've been wanting to use the avenger but as you have stated there really is no point. not even decking it out with any attachment combo seems to make it viable when many other weapons simply do a better job

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tntk252 wrote...

Bookmark'd.

This will be interesting. Perhaps Rokayts most ambitious attempt yet.


There is still a vote going on between the Disiple/ GPR thats tied 1.5/1.5

Can someone just say two words and break this tie so I can finish the .5 weight weapons by the end of tonight?

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Disciple :D I remember using it often in the demo. Haven't touched it in the full game like at all.... It's just not good...

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xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Disciple :D I remember using it often in the demo. Haven't touched it in the full game like at all.... It's just not good...


You are a golden god.

I will be editing the Disciple buff into this post.

Edit: The Disciple is a weird weapon.

By no means does it deserve to be weaker then the far more accurate, and light tempest.... However, any buff to it will obsolete a large number of weapons. (Which in turn, are also far weaker then the much lighter tempest.)

For reference its stats are:
578 DPS at X.
Accuracy: Shotgun, above average. *
Weight: .5
Notes: Supposedly has a high stagger change.
More accurate then other hitscan shotguns.
Argueably a much better weapon then all of the other .5 weight guns.
Only .5 weight gun I know of with damage above 50.
-Accuracy problems much harder to rectify then the tempest.
-Least accurate of the .5 guns

Wait. Best .5 weapon? What are you going to do to it!?!?!?

Ultimately, there is very little I can do, However. This does not mean it shouldn't recieve some love.

Proposed buff.
%15 damage.

What will this do? 
Roughly, It will be on level with the tempest in terms of damage per second. Any more, and we risk overbuffing it.
Its stagger ability is hard to measure, and it is significantly easier to use, leaving it with higher utility then a tempes of equal DPS to it.

It will be the highest DPS of all the .5 guns, to say the least.

We can hope that this does justice for the Disciple. However. Like many great guns, It can always be revisited If justice isn't served.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .


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I vote GPR... A lot of ARs need buffs.

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What Happens if I post GPR now?

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GPR. I'm gonna need that hunk of crap to be good when we get the Geth Trooper...

EDIT: :(

Modifié par Battlepope190, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:03 .


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Geth Pulse Rifle, as long as the Geth Troopers dont benefit too much.

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Noobs could use the help with all the enemy buffs...

I like the logic of buffing guns so we can buff more guns though.

Disciple, GPR, all shotguns below rare rank(shotguns are already the best in the game though), GPSMG, striker(not played with this one much, but I wasn't impressed), revenant... I already forgot why I'm writing these weapon names down....

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Rokayt wrote...

xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Disciple :D I remember using it often in the demo. Haven't touched it in the full game like at all.... It's just not good...


You are a golden god.

I will be editing the Disciple buff into this post.

Doesn't seem that way... After I said that like 3 people said GPR. I'm a bad person :(

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xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Disciple :D I remember using it often in the demo. Haven't touched it in the full game like at all.... It's just not good...


You are a golden god.

I will be editing the Disciple buff into this post.

Doesn't seem that way... After I said that like 3 people said GPR. I'm a bad person :(


Dw, I like the Disciple on my Adepts, its just that I feel that the GPR has absolutely no use compared to the Phaeston or Tempest.