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[tntk252]

xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

xxrpggamemanxx wrote...

Disciple I remember using it often in the demo. Haven't touched it in the full game like at all.... It's just not good...

You are a golden god.

I will be editing the Disciple buff into this post.

Doesn't seem that way... After I said that like 3 people said GPR. I'm a bad person

I just said it to counteract you. I'd say disciple otherwise.

[landylan]

The GPR is going to stay worthless without a major buff. The game requires fast killing with enemies in your face.... GPR will most likely remain suckish for all eternity.

[DHKany]

GPR. Dear Lord buff the GPR. This things shoots out green brain balls (the one which grow when put into water) that turns into soft baby powder when it impacts and enemy.

[Rokayt]

.... All these GPR posts.

Looks like I am going to have to dive down and get busy.

Let me update the OP with a quick link to the disciple post, then the GPR buff will be right down here:

The GPR fills an interesting role of being by far the weapon that has gone the furthest while still being obsoleted by leaps and bounds.

Its DPS is that of the locusts, however, it is far disadvangated to the aformentioned gun due to its style:
Its a fast firing assault rifle that does little damage per shot. This in theory leaves you with an excellent anti shield/health weapon that suffers against armor.....
However, this only succeeds at making it terrible against armor. It needs a DPS advantage over similar weapons in order to be able to be considered an effective anti-infantry weapon. This advantage simply does not exist for it currently.

For reference, its stats:
DPS at X: 456
Weight: .5
Accuracy: Very high.
Notes: High capacity, allows for good sustained fire.

Reccomended buff:
+ 25% Damage
+ .5 to the headshot multiplier

Hmm?
Well, Ultimately. We woud be left with a bizzare hybrid of the Tempest and the Locust with a slight shortfal against armor at a slightly higher weight.

It would be a much more loveable weapon then it is now, to say the least.

Why wouldn't you love the new GPR?

This closes the section on the .5 Weight weapons.

We are starting in the .7-.8 weight class now.

We can start with shotguns or assault rifles, once again. So everyone to the voting stands.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:28 .

[SprectreWhoSaysNi]

The avenger is crappy even on silver. I was using it on silver against Cerberus, and even with damage barrel V, piercing V, combatives upgrade V, 27.5% alliance training, and adren rush it was still a weak pos. I was so happy when I finished the Avenger medal. Never have to touch that gun again.

[JediNg]

I'm lost. OP says the disciple won voting but also goes on to say the next weapon vote wiill be disciple vs GPR. vote for what? which gets a buff? Then most of the body of the message is talking about SMGs and ARs. O_o

[ErrorTagUnknown]

I'm error:tagunknown and rokayt is my favorite balance advocate on BSN

[ToaOrka]

Buff all of the ****ty weapons! Unless they're common. Leave those ****ty, I don't care.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

There once was a man named Rokayt.

He fought valiantly, for all of us.

And the world was made that much brighter for his efforts.



My mandate is for Collector Rifle improvements, because I owe that gun most of my early ME3 career.

Modifié par JaimasOfRaxis, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Hyperionyht]

I'm not sure I follow the logic of your master plan.

Rokayt wrote...

Imagine the Avenger as a post that all these other low level guns are chained too. If we dont move the post, nothings going to happen for our other guns in the .5 weight catagory.

I don't see any justification for this assumption. Would you care to elaborate?

[ErrorTagUnknown]

Also gpr.

[Grunt_Platform]

Here's a subtle tweak possible for the Disciple: in Hit Reactions, change its damage type from "medium" to "heavy". This should give it the 90% stagger rate that's advertised, based on its other hit reaction stats. I'll have to test this in SP though.

[Rokayt]

Hyperionyht wrote...

I'm not sure I follow the logic of your master plan.

Rokayt wrote...

Imagine the Avenger as a post that all these other low level guns are chained too. If we dont move the post, nothings going to happen for our other guns in the .5 weight catagory.

I don't see any justification for this assumption. Would you care to elaborate?

Its just.... Feels like the Defining weapon for the .5 weight weapons.
Its still far less specialized then the other .5 weight weapons, and argueably much weaker.


They are now done. I will be updating the OP to link to the GPR reccomendation.

What should I go for next the ~.7 assault rifles, or the .7 shotguns?

This is followed up by Phaestron->Vindicator, or Scimitar->Eviscerator->Katana.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:32 .

[Abramsrunner]

If there is another vote call, I vote for a Katana buff.

[Grunt_Platform]

Rokayt wrote...

What should I go for next the ~.7 assault rifles, or the .7 shotguns?

0.7 Shotguns. The Scimitar and Eviscerator are easier, but more needed fixes than anything for the Phaeston and the Vindicator.

EDIT: For emphasis: The relative weakness of the Scimitar and the Eviscerator can be directly linked to the Piranha's overuse. Bringing them up to par could help.

Modifié par EvanKester, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Gladerunner]

Argus. The gun needs a damage boost (at least 20%) as well the complete removal of its burst delay. Removing the burst delay allows it be accurate if fired carefully, and good dps if fired recklessly at close range.

Modifié par Gladerunner, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Rokayt]

Gladerunner wrote...

Argus. The gun needs a damage boost (at least 20%) as well the complete removal of its burst delay. Removing the burst delay allows it be accurate if fire carefully, and good dps if fire recklessly at close range.

Im not to heavy weapons yet. However, The Argus is on my list of guns that need something nice desperately.

[DHKany]

Scimitar, Return to me in thy former Mass Effect Glory.

[Gladerunner]

Rokayt wrote...

Gladerunner wrote...

Argus. The gun needs a damage boost (at least 20%) as well the complete removal of its burst delay. Removing the burst delay allows it be accurate if fire carefully, and good dps if fire recklessly at close range.

Im not to heavy weapons yet. However, The Argus is on my list of guns that need something nice desperately.

Good to hear. In that case, The Assault Rifles - Light weight shotguns are still usable for close combat power-users.
Light weight assault rifles are unspectacular except for bronze/silver. Im suprised the Incisor or Mantis wasnt considered, but all in their due time.

[Rokayt]

The Medium weight shotguns win.
However. I will take a food break first..

For reference, the current buff tech tree.
............... .7 assault rifles \\
.5 guns<............................ .7-.9 sniper rifles -> Undefined weapons, fringe weapons -> Heavy weapons.
................ . 7 shotguns /

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Kenadian]

DHKany wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.

by calling people plebes, you become one. 

Roman elites shall never be plebes, good sir.

Also, what's a "medium weight" shotgun? Pretty much any shotgun that weighs anything already does a ****ton of damage, even the Crusader. Really, the only shotgun in need of dire love is the Disciple. Nothing else needs a buff as bad. The Scimitar could use it, but it's not Disciple bad.

Modifié par Kenadian, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Rokayt]

Feel free to call out any buff you feel it too steep or too small.

I will gladly provide more reasoning, or alter my suggestions based on good feedback.

Kenadian wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

First, Disciple. DISCIPLE. Spell properly you plebe. Second, needs moar Phaeston love.

by calling people plebes, you become one. 

Roman elites shall never be plebes, good sir.

Also,
what's a "medium weight" shotgun? Pretty much any shotgun that weighs a
lot already does a ****ton of damage, even the Crusader.

Greater then .5 weight, less then 1.2 weight.

However, I have noticed that the CAR happens to be a medium weight AR.

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:45 .

[UnknownMercenary]

Please buff the Scimitar. Doing the Scimitar challenge is painful.

[Rokayt]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

Please buff the Scimitar. Doing the Scimitar challenge is painful.

No reason to use it, with the tempest in the game at all.

We are going Scimiter-Eviscerator-Katana (Due to the katana being the hardest to figure out shotgun. Period.)

Its the first thing coming up.
However, I do not actually buff the guns. I just give a reccomendation to what should be able to give something an apprieciable role in the game.
Its more food for thought for the balance change team then anything, and a bit of amature game design.

I am reserving the spot for it right here, in this post for the scimitar:

The Scimitar.... Is just another one of those weapons that can only be justified as a "Why not?" throw in on a character that rarely uses guns.

It does far too little work for its weight, innaccuarcy, and its dependency on weapon mods and consummables.

It also has less damage potential then the tempest.

For reference:
589 DPS at X
Accuracy: Shotgun, Moderate.
Weight: .7 at X
Special features: Feels lucky (Most likely due to the moderate accuracy coupled with the generous spray of pellets hitting heads randomly.)

What I would reccomend for the scimitar:
Buff its damage by 22%, leaving it at roughly 720 DPS.

Currently, It is both weaker then the tempest, and much more consummable, and weapon mod dependent then it.

The 720 DPS would ensure that it would be plenty loved. It could punch through armor, and effectively deal with grunts all the same.
The Head-shotgun would reign... Appreciable once more......

Modifié par Rokayt, 16 octobre 2012 - 04:13 .