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[philippe willaume]

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Flemeth might be an Old God, but she is definitely no Baby....

Unless she's Benjamin Button... She certainly looks younger in DA2! 

Good point, though that could be the power of Kirkwall! Cullen got a facelift too:

http://t1.gstatic.co...4V-vPkP6bSANXpA

Health care must be top notch in Kirkwall! 

it is close to Orlais....

[DRobin13]

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull with, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made, it is my guess that all demons in theh fade were corrupted by the old gods and are on a quest to gain controll of mages so that they can find ways to release the old gods.

I like this theory! Flemeth is really Andrast, it seems reasonable & would be an interesting turn of events

[KefkaGestahl]

 Am I the only one hoping that she doesn't have some evil twist?  She's only helped you in both games, and in the first, she seems to warn you not to accept Morrigan's ritual at the very beginning of the game if you ask her for general advice.  She says that only you can defeat the blight and that she laughs at humans who put aside their duty to pursue mortal goals.  Why would she tell you that if she at all wanted you to perform the dark ritual?

[ShimmeringDjinn]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

 Am I the only one hoping that she doesn't have some evil twist?  She's only helped you in both games, and in the first, she seems to warn you not to accept Morrigan's ritual at the very beginning of the game if you ask her for general advice.  She says that only you can defeat the blight and that she laughs at humans who put aside their duty to pursue mortal goals.  Why would she tell you that if she at all wanted you to perform the dark ritual?

No your not the only one. I really like Flemeth......she's done nothing to make my Warden (or Hawke) mistrust and dislike her.

[Aldora92]

DRobin13 wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull with, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made, it is my guess that all demons in theh fade were corrupted by the old gods and are on a quest to gain controll of mages so that they can find ways to release the old gods.

I like this theory! Flemeth is really Andrast, it seems reasonable & would be an interesting turn of events

You are the first person who has ever accpeted it as an awesome possibility without questioning it, or just telling me its a load of rubbish... Thanks!

[Ex-Paladin]

DRobin13 wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull with, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made, it is my guess that all demons in theh fade were corrupted by the old gods and are on a quest to gain controll of mages so that they can find ways to release the old gods.

I like this theory! Flemeth is really Andrast, it seems reasonable & would be an interesting turn of events

I quite like this theory as well! Makes sense and definitely would be awesome

[KENNY4753]

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull with, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made, it is my guess that all demons in theh fade were corrupted by the old gods and are on a quest to gain controll of mages so that they can find ways to release the old gods.

I like this theory that would be an interesting twist in the DA world. It makes sense too.

[Aldora92]

YAY for me I normally have a few strange theories and always get told to shut up because they are rubbish... nice to see some people like at least one of them

I have thought this since after my first play through all them years ago...

[KENNY4753]

Aldora92 wrote...

YAY for me I normally have a few strange theories and always get told to shut up because they are rubbish... nice to see some people like at least one of them

I have thought this since after my first play through all them years ago...

I have a couple theories too

1) Bodahn is secretly spying for the Wardens
link: http://social.biowar.../index/14503941


2) Divine Justinia is actually a mage and the real mind behind the holy war (still in progress)

nothing wrong with crazy theories

[Aldora92]

I support the notion that Justina is a mage... It is my assumption that almost every important person with political ties has a link to magic, it may be they themselves are mages, or they have people close to them who are mages...

[KENNY4753]

Good, so I'm not the only one

[scootermcgaffin]

KefkaGestahl wrote...

 Am I the only one hoping that she doesn't have some evil twist?  She's only helped you in both games, and in the first, she seems to warn you not to accept Morrigan's ritual at the very beginning of the game if you ask her for general advice.  She says that only you can defeat the blight and that she laughs at humans who put aside their duty to pursue mortal goals.  Why would she tell you that if she at all wanted you to perform the dark ritual?

And in DA2 she's nothing but sympathetic to Aveline, and even tries to warn Merrill off of dealing with demons.

[xsamplexample]

 what I dont get is Flemeth's appearance change from DA:O to DA2.  What the hell is that?  i know she changes her body ever so often, but why another old lady?

[scootermcgaffin]

xsamplexample wrote...

 what I dont get is Flemeth's appearance change from DA:O to DA2.  What the hell is that?  i know she changes her body ever so often, but why another old lady?

In DA:O she needs to Warden to think she's a crazy old lady in a shack, so she looks like a crazy old lady in a shack.

In DA2 she needs Hawke to think she's an incredibly powerful apostate, so she looks more like someone who could **** things up even when she's not turned into a dragon.

[Aldora92]

She:

Protects the Wardens documents for hundreds of years

Warns the Wardens that they have underestimated the darkspawn threat

Saved 2-3 of the characters who save the world from another blight (if you include Dog from HN story)

Sent her beloved daughter with the warden so that he has a better chance of surviving

Saved Hawke several days later
Helped Hawke escape to Gwaren
Ended the suffering of a corrupted templar
Ended the debt the dalish owed her
Warned a mage to stay away from demons and blood magic

Morrigan says once that she is an evil witch and suddenly all of her good deeds get walked over...

My firm belief that she is collecting heroes to end all blights and darkspawn corruption once and for all, by beating the darkspawn to the old gods, and saving them from the corruption, transferring their souls or killing them out-right.

[scootermcgaffin]

But Morrigan is pretty and Flemeth is old so obviously Morrigan is 100% right and Flemeth is pure evil!

[Aldora92]

xsamplexample wrote...

 what I dont get is Flemeth's appearance change from DA:O to DA2.  What the hell is that?  i know she changes her body ever so often, but why another old lady?

Re-vamp.

They done the same with most returning characters.

It stands to reason that due to both her DA2 forms being the same, that BW thought "Would ot not add to her character, and mystique if we add hair horns, give her big breasts and make her look like the only old person people would happily sleep with?" 

Morrigan does say that she would occasionally have male visitors to her hut, perhaps they thought it would make it seem more realistic if she was not a crazy old cat lady who hadn't shaved her pits in 10 years...

[Aldora92]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

But Morrigan is pretty and Flemeth is old so obviously Morrigan is 100% right and Flemeth is pure evil!

Out of the 2 of them, Flemeth is the only person who did not lie to us... she DID hold information back, she almost told us she was using us for her own gains, but she never once lied... Morrigan did... Morrigan lied to us about how Flemeth was still alive, she lied to us about her ability to cook (she never once made me a sit down meal), she told me she never loved me (proven that she did by taking me through the magic mirror).

Flemeth is the only character that we should trust in the slightest... everybody has motives, atleast she makes her motives for saving us clear... she even says thank you!

[scootermcgaffin]

Aldora92 wrote...

scootermcgaffin wrote...

But Morrigan is pretty and Flemeth is old so obviously Morrigan is 100% right and Flemeth is pure evil!

Out of the 2 of them, Flemeth is the only person who did not lie to us... she DID hold information back, she almost told us she was using us for her own gains, but she never once lied... Morrigan did... Morrigan lied to us about how Flemeth was still alive, she lied to us about her ability to cook (she never once made me a sit down meal), she told me she never loved me (proven that she did by taking me through the magic mirror).

Flemeth is the only character that we should trust in the slightest... everybody has motives, atleast she makes her motives for saving us clear... she even says thank you!

Oh, I'm with you on this one. I was being sarcastic there. 

[unbentbuzzkill]

Flemeth and morrigan both have alterer motives so it's still a little to early to say who's good or evil.

[thats1evildude]

xsamplexample wrote...

 what I dont get is Flemeth's appearance change from DA:O to DA2.  What the hell is that?  i know she changes her body ever so often, but why another old lady?

When a shapeshifter in DAO takes another form, they retain the essence of who they are. Their body has been altered, but their mind and their soul remains the same. That's why Morrigan doesn't start spinning webs or attack fellow party members as a giant spider.

Regardless of what face she wears, Flemeth is still ancient. Even if she altered her appearance to look like a young woman, she's still an old woman underneath. This is also why she (supposedly) body swaps with her daughters; if she didn't, then her mind would deteriorate and she'd become senile and insensate.

Why does she show up as another old lady in DA2? Because that's what she is. But her goals in DA2 are a bit different — she's trying to be showy and intimidating — so she's put on a "witch queen" guise.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 octobre 2012 - 09:42 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Aldora92 wrote...

xsamplexample wrote...

 what I dont get is Flemeth's appearance change from DA:O to DA2.  What the hell is that?  i know she changes her body ever so often, but why another old lady?

Re-vamp.

They done the same with most returning characters.

It stands to reason that due to both her DA2 forms being the same, that BW thought "Would ot not add to her character, and mystique if we add hair horns, give her big breasts and make her look like the only old person people would happily sleep with?" 

Morrigan does say that she would occasionally have male visitors to her hut, perhaps they thought it would make it seem more realistic if she was not a crazy old cat lady who hadn't shaved her pits in 10 years...

Her change in form probably has more to do with immediate motive than anything else.

Need to convince someone to take your daughter out of the darkspawn-laden wilds? Show up as the crazed crone/old witch living in the hut - more eccentric than anything else, an easy ruse to distract from the pesky legends.

Need to save someone from darkspawn hordes and thus secure their assistance with an important errand? Appear in dragon form and then shift into a being that, in stature and armored form, implies power.

The appearance is situational.

[Eshaye]

scootermcgaffin wrote...

But Morrigan is pretty and Flemeth is old so obviously Morrigan is 100% right and Flemeth is pure evil!

I really like Flemeth's comments in DA2 regarding Morrigan which seems to suggest that Morrigan is wrong about Flemeth and misunderstands what Flemeth has been doing and is trying to do. 

I support that Flemeth is a force for good or at least ending the blight for good and I'd love if she was Andraste. That would solve two mysteries, that makes me happy. 

[chuckwells62]

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull witch, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made.

I too like your theory very much and at the least do not see Flemeth as likely being evil. I think that given what we've been shown of her, that it would be unfortunate to have her revealed as a "big bad" in subsequent appearances.

[Aldora92]

chuckwells62 wrote...

Aldora92 wrote...

My theory?

Flemeth does not inhabit the bodies of anybody, but she has many daughters so that Dark Rituals can be performed, with he and her daughters having control of the pregnancy as the female, rather then her having sons and risking others getting pregnant.

Andrast is rumoured to have been a really powerfull witch, and also reborn as a dragon... it is my guess that Flemeth IS Andraste... Conobar and Maferaths stories with their wives are very similar...

I think Flemeth really was Andraste, and wife of the Maker, her quest is to live untill all of the spirits of the old gods are either destroyed, or reborn as innocent children, this would bring the world to a balance, as the fade would not be inhabited by their spirits, and no more blood mages would be made.

I too like your theory very much and at the least do not see Flemeth as likely being evil. I think that given what we've been shown of her, that it would be unfortunate to have her revealed as a "big bad" in subsequent appearances.

She reminds me of the batty old woman who used to live next to my grandmother when i was a kid... she was nutty as squirrel poo but she gave us biscuits, and meant well!