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[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
"The general galaxy doesn't need to know the details, that doesn't mean that the event wasn't galaxy changing. "
That my point galexy changing thing can happen that the general population or major character would not know about it.

That is why doing something like this would not be effected by Shepard's story. Shepard would not know about it.

And you missing the fact here that not every Shepard played sees the universe the same way. If we play Shepards with differnent beliefs then the last, it would be a different perspective. The same concept goes with side stories. All we will see is a galexy effected by Shepards Actions, not his perspective. That in no way ties to ME3's ending.

It doesn't matter if it effects Shepard's story. We as the player would still know what happened and how it effect the galaxy. We as the player have our own perspective. It isn't Shepard's perspective or even a random Asari's perspective, it is the players perspective. We would have different morals depending on what race we were but as the player we would still know how the galaxy ends up in the end. Like I said I am not against playing as another race. It would be an interesing experiance but we still know how the galaxy end, no matter what our character's perspective would be. That is why a prequel is a bad idea.

Like I have stated many times before a prequel would be a weak plot because we already know what happens in the end. No matter what this side story of yours would be about Mass Effect would still end with Shepard in art class choosing to paint the galaxy in his/her favorite color.

Let's pretend that in a prequel we are a Turian C-Sec agent who happens to stop some Batarians from blowing up the Citadel. The public wouldn't have to know the details but everything would still end the same since we as the player know how everything ends.

"We as the player would still know what happened and how it effect the galaxy. "
So what? That happens everytime we play a new Shepard. It's irrelivent.

That is the reason why so many people have problems replaying the franchise due to the endings. They know that none of their choices truely mattered just like if we had a prequel none of those choices would truely matter. Before ME3, I could have replayed Mass Effect tens of times. I knew what was going to happen at the end of ME1 and at the end of ME2, but I didn't know how my choices wouldeffect the way those 2 games ended. Our choices mean jack s*** because of ME3 and the crap endings. That is why a prequel would be bad. We know that nothing that we ever did mattered in the end.

Understand that a roleplaying game is about playing a role. You just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way.

i know what roleplaying is. I'm not stupid. I was saying that no matter what our character is in a prequel we still know that nothing we do matters in the end and yes that is because of the piece of s*** BioWare called an ending.

Nothing in a prequel that we would do would change the galaxy. That is what you are not seeing. The galaxy will still end up the same way.

Well, to bad. That wouls mean anything relating to MEwill make thing of the endings you don't like...Even if it has nothing to do with it... So that means if you don't want to think of the end you should leave.
Your just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...
Well, to bad. That wouls mean anything relating to ME will make thing of the endings you don't like...Even if it has nothing to do with it... So that means if you don't want to think of the end you should leave.
Your just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way.

I wasn't originally talking about hating the endings. I was talking about how any prequel events would be insignificant in the big picture of the ME universe. That doesn't have anything to do with me hating the endings. You actually brought that up. You said "You just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way" on the previuous page in this thread. Before that post i did not mention my hatred of the endings. I did mention however that for the events of this prequel to be significant that we would need to see how it effects the galaxy. I also said that the timeframe from Eden Prime until the Catalyst scene is Shepard's story. That timeframe is all about the Reaper war. Whether you like the endings or not, it doesn't change the fact that nothing in a prequel will have an effect on the way the galaxy ends up. Everything else doesn't matter.

Bottom line is you brought up the way I feel about the endings in this thread, not me

Modifié par KENNY4753, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:09 .

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry? Is this topic about the ending? No. Is any thing in the topic related to the ending? No....So how would this game concept be related out side of the fact it gives you bad memories?

Hell, right now I'm not even argueing for the ending. I did n't even bring it up. You guys did.

Why not make a game during Shepard's 2 missing years?

Because the conclusion of the primary ME story arch is so horribly written, that it has destroyed my will to play or care about any prequel or parallel timeline DLC.

This game concept : ME Universe :: A specific deck chair : The Titanic

That is how it is related.

[KENNY4753]

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:42 .

[dreman9999]

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry? Is this topic about the ending? No. Is any thing in the topic related to the ending? No....So how would this game concept be related out side of the fact it gives you bad memories?

Hell, right now I'm not even argueing for the ending. I did n't even bring it up. You guys did.

Why not make a game during Shepard's 2 missing years?

Because the conclusion of the primary ME story arch is so horribly written, that it has destroyed my will to play or care about any prequel or parallel timeline DLC.

This game concept : ME Universe :: A specific deck chair : The Titanic

That is how it is related.

And as I said before. The ending hasnothing to do with this. I'm sorry you're still bitter over the end. That does not mean you have to form your bitterness all over the place.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Well, to bad. That wouls mean anything relating to ME will make thing of the endings you don't like...Even if it has nothing to do with it... So that means if you don't want to think of the end you should leave.
Your just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way.

I wasn't originally talking about hating the endings. I was talking about how any prequel events would be insignificant in the big picture of the ME universe. That doesn't have anything to do with me hating the endings. You actually brought that up. You said "You just letting your bitterness with the ending get in the way" on the previuous page in this thread. Before that post i did not mention my hatred of the endings. I did mention however that for the events of this prequel to be significant that we would need to see how it effects the galaxy. I also said that the timeframe from Eden Prime until the Catalyst scene is Shepard's story. That timeframe is all about the Reaper war. Whether you like the endings or not, it doesn't change the fact that nothing in a prequel will have an effect on the way the galaxy ends up. Everything else doesn't matter.

Bottom line is you brought up the way I feel about the endings in this thread, not me

What ?Sorry you brought  up the ending. Not me. You brought the issue up.And as I been saying...This has nothing to do with the ending.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

These aren't baseless "excuses" they are reasons that make sense.  You need a foe and unless there's some variety to them that is different from what we now have it'll be boring.  And like it or not the galaxy (the whole galaxy) so far ends with ME3, story wise, until a story begins in the time period after ME3.  We know what will happen to the whole galaxy so far.  We have the totally unhinged, unbalanced, deranged endings that make any prequel pointless.  And it is a prequel you are suggesting because it takes place prior to the story of ME3 and most of ME2.  It doesn't matter who it's about.

Yes, ME does revolve around Shepard.  The very first person you see in the game is Shepard-that's your avatar (you) in the game.  You're contradicting yourself again-you said it was about the characters and no character is more important than Shepard.

Why if Shepard was not important, would you think this needed to be told during those 2 years-you already created a relationship to Shepard. 

Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

The books and comic books are mostly not that well written and have little really to do with the game, but they also suffer from the same problem.  They are pointless as is the Vega movie coming out.  You're talking about a game set during the same time as Shepard's story and not some books a heck of a lot of people don't consider important.  And books don't cost $60USD.

Just like they could make Omega be without Shepard and you play as Aria (and that would be a mistake), they could do this, but it too would be a mistake. 

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry? Is this topic about the ending? No. Is any thing in the topic related to the ending? No....So how would this game concept be related out side of the fact it gives you bad memories?

Hell, right now I'm not even argueing for the ending. I did n't even bring it up. You guys did.

Why not make a game during Shepard's 2 missing years?

Because the conclusion of the primary ME story arch is so horribly written, that it has destroyed my will to play or care about any prequel or parallel timeline DLC.

This game concept : ME Universe :: A specific deck chair : The Titanic

That is how it is related.

And as I said before. The ending hasnothing to do with this. I'm sorry you're still bitter over the end. That does not mean you have to form your bitterness all over the place.

I will consider not "forming my bitterness" all over the place with about the same level of enthusiasm that you use when refraining from gainsaying those who hate the endings.

My subjective experience with any game generates what might be called a Give a S*&% Level.  GSL would be the primary factor when deciding if I will buy DLC.  GSL is retroactive.

ME:    GSL-High  DLC Purchased: Both BDTS and PS (didn't know it came out until after I had ME2.  Bought it anyway)

ME2:  GSL-High  DLC Purchased:  All of it, including Genesis (thought it might come in handy for speed builds in preparation for ME3)

ME3:  GSL-Nil  DLC Purchased:  From Ashes.  I bought it along with my pre-order.  Future anticipated DLC purchases-Nil

As much as you would like to selectively filter one's subjective experience with the ME Universe, it can't be done. Stuff that happened while Shepard was mostly dead might have been interesting at one time (it was interesting enough to make up a chunk of the dialog in ME2 when catching up with ME1 characters).  Now that ME3 exists, and knowing that Bioware has chosen to stick with that abomination of an ending, everything else is tainted.  BioWare/EA are responsible for that, not you. 

Unless you can turn back time, and pitch this particular idea as ME2 DLC, there's not much point. 

[Yelloheadx]

Double post.

Modifié par Yelloheadx, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:11 .

[dreman9999]

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm sorry? Is this topic about the ending? No. Is any thing in the topic related to the ending? No....So how would this game concept be related out side of the fact it gives you bad memories?

Hell, right now I'm not even argueing for the ending. I did n't even bring it up. You guys did.

Why not make a game during Shepard's 2 missing years?

Because the conclusion of the primary ME story arch is so horribly written, that it has destroyed my will to play or care about any prequel or parallel timeline DLC.

This game concept : ME Universe :: A specific deck chair : The Titanic

That is how it is related.

And as I said before. The ending hasnothing to do with this. I'm sorry you're still bitter over the end. That does not mean you have to form your bitterness all over the place.

I will consider not "forming my bitterness" all over the place with about the same level of enthusiasm that you use when refraining from gainsaying those who hate the endings.

My subjective experience with any game generates what might be called a Give a S*&% Level.  GSL would be the primary factor when deciding if I will buy DLC.  GSL is retroactive.

ME:    GSL-High  DLC Purchased: Both BDTS and PS (didn't know it came out until after I had ME2.  Bought it anyway)

ME2:  GSL-High  DLC Purchased:  All of it, including Genesis (thought it might come in handy for speed builds in preparation for ME3)

ME3:  GSL-Nil  DLC Purchased:  From Ashes.  I bought it along with my pre-order.  Future anticipated DLC purchases-Nil

As much as you would like to selectively filter one's subjective experience with the ME Universe, it can't be done. Stuff that happened while Shepard was mostly dead might have been interesting at one time (it was interesting enough to make up a chunk of the dialog in ME2 when catching up with ME1 characters).  Now that ME3 exists, and knowing that Bioware has chosen to stick with that abomination of an ending, everything else is tainted.  BioWare/EA are responsible for that, not you. 

Unless you can turn back time, and pitch this particular idea as ME2 DLC, there's not much point. 

Thefact that you don't like ME3 ending is something you have to deal with in every ME game be it sequel, origrinal trilogy , inquel or prequel.
That has nothing to do with those game...It's strickly an issue with your self and other people who do not like ME3 end. If you can't get over it ...Too bad.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

These aren't baseless "excuses" they are reasons that make sense.  You need a foe and unless there's some variety to them that is different from what we now have it'll be boring.  And like it or not the galaxy (the whole galaxy) so far ends with ME3, story wise, until a story begins in the time period after ME3.  We know what will happen to the whole galaxy so far.  We have the totally unhinged, unbalanced, deranged endings that make any prequel pointless.  And it is a prequel you are suggesting because it takes place prior to the story of ME3 and most of ME2.  It doesn't matter who it's about.

Yes, ME does revolve around Shepard.  The very first person you see in the game is Shepard-that's your avatar (you) in the game.  You're contradicting yourself again-you said it was about the characters and no character is more important than Shepard.

Why if Shepard was not important, would you think this needed to be told during those 2 years-you already created a relationship to Shepard. 

Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

The books and comic books are mostly not that well written and have little really to do with the game, but they also suffer from the same problem.  They are pointless as is the Vega movie coming out.  You're talking about a game set during the same time as Shepard's story and not some books a heck of a lot of people don't consider important.  And books don't cost $60USD.

Just like they could make Omega be without Shepard and you play as Aria (and that would be a mistake), they could do this, but it too would be a mistake. 

Your not getting that the entire idea is  new perpective on theis universe. Look at the books and comics, it was never just one perspective on the galexy.
And this has nothing to do with the ending. If you have issue with the ending that is your problem.

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

Thefact that you don't like ME3 ending is something you have to deal with in every ME game be it sequel, origrinal trilogy , inquel or prequel.
That has nothing to do with those game...It's strickly an issue with your self and other people who do not like ME3 end. If you can't get over it ...Too bad.

Actually, I have dealt with it quite definitively, from a purchasing standpoint.  I would suggest that this is an issue for BioWare/EA with respect to projected earnings on DLC and future titles...Too bad.

Your problem is that despite your hopes and wishes that your content be judged on its own, people (potential customers) will reference the source material and their own subjective experience with it when deciding whether or not to purchase.  If you were actually a staff writer at BioWare responsible for producing your content, and your payscale was based strictly on sales, I suspect you would be a tad more enthusiastic about getting a wholesale new ending.

Until you accept this, understand that what you are trying to do is sell one of those deck chairs.  

[Morty Smith]

If they can´t go on forward in their own universe, it is a testament to the damage they have done to it.

Modifié par Kroitz, 20 octobre 2012 - 03:32 .

[dreman9999]

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Thefact that you don't like ME3 ending is something you have to deal with in every ME game be it sequel, origrinal trilogy , inquel or prequel.
That has nothing to do with those game...It's strickly an issue with your self and other people who do not like ME3 end. If you can't get over it ...Too bad.

Actually, I have dealt with it quite definitively, from a purchasing standpoint.  I would suggest that this is an issue for BioWare/EA with respect to projected earnings on DLC and future titles...Too bad.

Your problem is that despite your hopes and wishes that your content be judged on its own, people (potential customers) will reference the source material and their own subjective experience with it when deciding whether or not to purchase.  If you were actually a staff writer at BioWare responsible for producing your content, and your payscale was based strictly on sales, I suspect you would be a tad more enthusiastic about getting a wholesale new ending.

Until you accept this, understand that what you are trying to do is sell one of those deck chairs.  

You do realize that bw mostly like would do sequels and inuels, both  dev and stagff writers, right?
And you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

[dreman9999]

Kroitz wrote...

If they can´t go on forward in their own universe, it is a testament to the damage they have done to it.

It's not an issue of then not being able to go forward. They can do so. This Idea is just based on perspective.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

You do realize that bw mostly like would do sequels and inuels, both  dev and stagff writers, right?
And you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

I imagine they do want to publish more content for this IP.

I speak for myself.  I am part of the aggregate.  Based on the general tone and content of the ME3 forums, I suspect that the proportion of the aggregate that shares similar views to mine is not small.

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?

BioWare seems to have made their decision by digging in with their existing endings, which pretty much locks in my future purchase plans.

Understand that I am not holding out and refusing to purchase new content and refusing to replay that which I have already purchased because I want to spite BioWare/EA.  I no longer play, and I no longer buy because I have completely lost the desire to do so.  This is directly, fully, and completely due to the way that ME3 ended.  I used to buy BioWare games sight unseen, preordered.  I bought all DLC automatically, including skin packs (did I just buy virtual paper doll dresses?).  Now, I have absolutely no desire to buy anything related to the ME Universe.  I am extremely leery of purchasing any RPG title from them, knowing that as a company, they are perfectly willing to emotionally sucker punch and mug me, and then stand by their decision to do so.

From a flame war perspective, we can certainly go back and forth with "get over it" comments and so on.  

From a business perspective I wonder how much money (and future money) they are leaving on the table.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

These aren't baseless "excuses" they are reasons that make sense.  You need a foe and unless there's some variety to them that is different from what we now have it'll be boring.  And like it or not the galaxy (the whole galaxy) so far ends with ME3, story wise, until a story begins in the time period after ME3.  We know what will happen to the whole galaxy so far.  We have the totally unhinged, unbalanced, deranged endings that make any prequel pointless.  And it is a prequel you are suggesting because it takes place prior to the story of ME3 and most of ME2.  It doesn't matter who it's about.

Yes, ME does revolve around Shepard.  The very first person you see in the game is Shepard-that's your avatar (you) in the game.  You're contradicting yourself again-you said it was about the characters and no character is more important than Shepard.

Why if Shepard was not important, would you think this needed to be told during those 2 years-you already created a relationship to Shepard. 

Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

The books and comic books are mostly not that well written and have little really to do with the game, but they also suffer from the same problem.  They are pointless as is the Vega movie coming out.  You're talking about a game set during the same time as Shepard's story and not some books a heck of a lot of people don't consider important.  And books don't cost $60USD.

Just like they could make Omega be without Shepard and you play as Aria (and that would be a mistake), they could do this, but it too would be a mistake. 

Your not getting that the entire idea is  new perpective on th
eis universe. Look at the books and comics, it was never just one perspective on the galexy.
And this has nothing to do with the ending. If you have issue with the ending that is your problem.

I love how when we are not talking about the endings you bring them back up.

btw, did you even read 3D's post?

3DandBeyond wrote...
Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

She is not saying that it isn't about a different perspective. Sure maybe it is but she is saying that different perspective or not we still know how everything winds up after those 2 years. This does not just refer to the Mass Effect 3 endings. This refers to everything the happens after those 2 years, new character perspective or not.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:11 .

[High Five Revival]

I like it - I'd love to see what occurred with the characters in those two years as they deal with the effects of losing Shepherd and heading off in different directions. Seeing the rise of Cerebrus, the Lazarus project and getting to see the different characters establish themselves on what they believe will be a fresh start for them would be a lot of fun. As has been mentioned in this thread previously - a good comic book or novel would be great to see as well. I'm very interested in those two years - in between. Lots of allusions to them, but getting to hear more about them would be great!!

[dreman9999]

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You do realize that bw mostly like would do sequels and inuels, both  dev and stagff writers, right?
And you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

I imagine they do want to publish more content for this IP.

I speak for myself.  I am part of the aggregate.  Based on the general tone and content of the ME3 forums, I suspect that the proportion of the aggregate that shares similar views to mine is not small.

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?

BioWare seems to have made their decision by digging in with their existing endings, which pretty much locks in my future purchase plans.

Understand that I am not holding out and refusing to purchase new content and refusing to replay that which I have already purchased because I want to spite BioWare/EA.  I no longer play, and I no longer buy because I have completely lost the desire to do so.  This is directly, fully, and completely due to the way that ME3 ended.  I used to buy BioWare games sight unseen, preordered.  I bought all DLC automatically, including skin packs (did I just buy virtual paper doll dresses?).  Now, I have absolutely no desire to buy anything related to the ME Universe.  I am extremely leery of purchasing any RPG title from them, knowing that as a company, they are perfectly willing to emotionally sucker punch and mug me, and then stand by their decision to do so.

From a flame war perspective, we can certainly go back and forth with "get over it" comments and so on.  

From a business perspective I wonder how much money (and future money) they are leaving on the table.

1. Yes, you are speaking for yourself. These are your reason for you not want this. Your issues does not mean it will be a general issue with a game like this. Only you and some fokes have this problem...And you're no were near the majority.

2."Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?"

You do understand that people are still buying dlc and playing the mp. That speaks volumes in it self.bw STATED Leviathen was the hightest selling dlc to date and people clearly are ready to fork over money for Omega. It clear people still want more ME. IT JUST THAT YOU DO NOT.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

These aren't baseless "excuses" they are reasons that make sense.  You need a foe and unless there's some variety to them that is different from what we now have it'll be boring.  And like it or not the galaxy (the whole galaxy) so far ends with ME3, story wise, until a story begins in the time period after ME3.  We know what will happen to the whole galaxy so far.  We have the totally unhinged, unbalanced, deranged endings that make any prequel pointless.  And it is a prequel you are suggesting because it takes place prior to the story of ME3 and most of ME2.  It doesn't matter who it's about.

Yes, ME does revolve around Shepard.  The very first person you see in the game is Shepard-that's your avatar (you) in the game.  You're contradicting yourself again-you said it was about the characters and no character is more important than Shepard.

Why if Shepard was not important, would you think this needed to be told during those 2 years-you already created a relationship to Shepard. 

Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

The books and comic books are mostly not that well written and have little really to do with the game, but they also suffer from the same problem.  They are pointless as is the Vega movie coming out.  You're talking about a game set during the same time as Shepard's story and not some books a heck of a lot of people don't consider important.  And books don't cost $60USD.

Just like they could make Omega be without Shepard and you play as Aria (and that would be a mistake), they could do this, but it too would be a mistake. 

Your not getting that the entire idea is  new perpective on th
eis universe. Look at the books and comics, it was never just one perspective on the galexy.
And this has nothing to do with the ending. If you have issue with the ending that is your problem.

I love how when we are not talking about the endings you bring them back up.

btw, did you even read 3D's post?

3DandBeyond wrote...
Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

She is not saying that it isn't about a different perspective. Sure maybe it is but she is saying that different perspective or not we still know how everything winds up after those 2 years. This does not just refer to the Mass Effect 3 endings. This refers to everything the happens after those 2 years, new character perspective or not.

Yes, you are bring up the endings.

Also, I don't think you understand why I suggested those 2 years. It's an open area. We have no major detail to what happen during those 2 years out side of the council backtracking, the geth war and the change of weapon. I suggested those year because we can easily put thing in the story with up conflicting with the main story. The only thing we can't do is add anything the contradicts the status quo stated in ME2. This would be extra info, not a change of info. This will not conflict with anything inthe general story.

[Hexley UK]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You do realize that bw mostly like would do sequels and inuels, both  dev and stagff writers, right?
And you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

I imagine they do want to publish more content for this IP.

I speak for myself.  I am part of the aggregate.  Based on the general tone and content of the ME3 forums, I suspect that the proportion of the aggregate that shares similar views to mine is not small.

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?

BioWare seems to have made their decision by digging in with their existing endings, which pretty much locks in my future purchase plans.

Understand that I am not holding out and refusing to purchase new content and refusing to replay that which I have already purchased because I want to spite BioWare/EA.  I no longer play, and I no longer buy because I have completely lost the desire to do so.  This is directly, fully, and completely due to the way that ME3 ended.  I used to buy BioWare games sight unseen, preordered.  I bought all DLC automatically, including skin packs (did I just buy virtual paper doll dresses?).  Now, I have absolutely no desire to buy anything related to the ME Universe.  I am extremely leery of purchasing any RPG title from them, knowing that as a company, they are perfectly willing to emotionally sucker punch and mug me, and then stand by their decision to do so.

From a flame war perspective, we can certainly go back and forth with "get over it" comments and so on.  

From a business perspective I wonder how much money (and future money) they are leaving on the table.

1. Yes, you are speaking for yourself. These are your reason for you not want this. Your issues does not mean it will be a general issue with a game like this. Only you and some fokes have this problem...And you're no were near the majority.

2."Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?"

You do understand that people are still buying dlc and playing the mp. That speaks volumes in it self.bw STATED Leviathen was the hightest selling dlc to date and people clearly are ready to fork over money for Omega. It clear people still want more ME. IT JUST THAT YOU DO NOT.

Delusional much?

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

People vote with there money....And if they are still buying dlc...That means they still want more ME. If you still on this site...You want more ME.

That fact that your agueing with me now means you want more ME even if you hate the endings. That reads that people will still buy ME products.
If you were not, you would not still be here.

[dreman9999]

Hexley UK wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You do realize that bw mostly like would do sequels and inuels, both  dev and stagff writers, right?
And you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

I imagine they do want to publish more content for this IP.

I speak for myself.  I am part of the aggregate.  Based on the general tone and content of the ME3 forums, I suspect that the proportion of the aggregate that shares similar views to mine is not small.

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?

BioWare seems to have made their decision by digging in with their existing endings, which pretty much locks in my future purchase plans.

Understand that I am not holding out and refusing to purchase new content and refusing to replay that which I have already purchased because I want to spite BioWare/EA.  I no longer play, and I no longer buy because I have completely lost the desire to do so.  This is directly, fully, and completely due to the way that ME3 ended.  I used to buy BioWare games sight unseen, preordered.  I bought all DLC automatically, including skin packs (did I just buy virtual paper doll dresses?).  Now, I have absolutely no desire to buy anything related to the ME Universe.  I am extremely leery of purchasing any RPG title from them, knowing that as a company, they are perfectly willing to emotionally sucker punch and mug me, and then stand by their decision to do so.

From a flame war perspective, we can certainly go back and forth with "get over it" comments and so on.  

From a business perspective I wonder how much money (and future money) they are leaving on the table.

1. Yes, you are speaking for yourself. These are your reason for you not want this. Your issues does not mean it will be a general issue with a game like this. Only you and some fokes have this problem...And you're no were near the majority.

2."Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?"

You do understand that people are still buying dlc and playing the mp. That speaks volumes in it self.bw STATED Leviathen was the hightest selling dlc to date and people clearly are ready to fork over money for Omega. It clear people still want more ME. IT JUST THAT YOU DO NOT.

Delusional much?

Nope, I don't see anyone making topics in Mass sayong they don't want more ME games. It clear a massiveammount of people would be happy for a new ME game. It not dilutional that everyone will not have his issue.