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[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

 Dreman, I'm done discussing this with you. I will just leave with my final thoughts.

A prequel that would take place during the 2 years missed by Shepard due to his death/resurrection would be a terrible idea for multiple reasons. 

1. We already know the fate of the galaxy, making these events insignificant.
2. This prequel would have a very weak plot and the results would not be galaxy changing.
3. If our events in this prequel were truly significant why did we hear nothing about it through any way in Mass Effect (Citadel NewsNet, overhearing people talking, Spectre messages, etc)
4. Who would the enemy be? Based on what BW said they don't want another Shepard 2.0, so why would they include the Reapers or Collectors. It would be too much like the trilogy. All other possible enemies would a joke.
5. Mass Effect is Shepard's story. Especially in the time ranging from Eden Prime through the scene with the Starbrat.

Feel free to reply but frankly I honestly will not pay attention to what you say because I've heard it all before. Moral Conflict, "you not understand what I'm saying", as well as many others from your list of the same replies. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and check it out but only if I'm so bored that I feel like talking to a brick wall.

1. This will have nothing to do with the ending. It's about this new prespective we don't know what fate it ends in.
2.I'm sorry. I would not. Nothing says the plot would be weak.
3.Like how everyone know that the sb changed? It does not need to be well  know to be significat.
4.This is were imagination comes up. That can easily be thought up. An enemy is not the issue.
5. No, ME does not revolve around Shepard...Just like the books and comics do not. ME is easily can have many perspectives. Nothing SHepard done happers that.

Stop using baseless excuses.

These aren't baseless "excuses" they are reasons that make sense.  You need a foe and unless there's some variety to them that is different from what we now have it'll be boring.  And like it or not the galaxy (the whole galaxy) so far ends with ME3, story wise, until a story begins in the time period after ME3.  We know what will happen to the whole galaxy so far.  We have the totally unhinged, unbalanced, deranged endings that make any prequel pointless.  And it is a prequel you are suggesting because it takes place prior to the story of ME3 and most of ME2.  It doesn't matter who it's about.

Yes, ME does revolve around Shepard.  The very first person you see in the game is Shepard-that's your avatar (you) in the game.  You're contradicting yourself again-you said it was about the characters and no character is more important than Shepard.

Why if Shepard was not important, would you think this needed to be told during those 2 years-you already created a relationship to Shepard. 

Even if it is from a new perspective, your idea that we wouldn't know how it ends is ridiculous.  Considering that the end of ME3 takes place a few years after Shepard went missing, the people in your suggested content would be alive unless you decide they need balance and need to die too (or the reapers get them), by the end of ME3.  They live in this galaxy that is being harvested by reapers.  They are not going to escape all of that.  So they will end up with green eyes, being under Shreaper's control, living in a post destroy galaxy, or dead.  Their future is the same as everyone else's.  Did you miss the fact that the reapers harvest the whole galaxy and that the choices impact the whole galaxy?

The books and comic books are mostly not that well written and have little really to do with the game, but they also suffer from the same problem.  They are pointless as is the Vega movie coming out.  You're talking about a game set during the same time as Shepard's story and not some books a heck of a lot of people don't consider important.  And books don't cost $60USD.

Just like they could make Omega be without Shepard and you play as Aria (and that would be a mistake), they could do this, but it too would be a mistake. 

3d, there are 3 books and 4 comic series that prove you wrong. If you can't see that ME can be done with other peoples perspectives out side of Shepards that is your problem. The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded. ME is not just about Shepard. ME have many stories, and bw has done so with this series. If you can't detach you view out side of your Shepard...That you problem, not the games.

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 octobre 2012 - 09:00 .

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, you are bring up the endings.

Also, I don't think you understand why I suggested those 2 years. It's an open area. We have no major detail to what happen during those 2 years out side of the council backtracking, the geth war and the change of weapon. I suggested those year because we can easily put thing in the story with up conflicting with the main story. The only thing we can't do is add anything the contradicts the status quo stated in ME2. This would be extra info, not a change of info. This will not conflict with anything inthe general story.

Once again when I first started commenting in this thread I was not talking about the endings. I was talking about everything after this prequel span. You misunderstood what I was talking about and thought I just meant the endings, that is untrue. My statement referred to all events after this span.

No I understand completely why you chose those 2 years. You chose them because we (Shepard) were dead for those 2 years. Except it isn't really a completely open area of time. It is 2 years where the rest of the Geth Holdouts were defeated, stuff from the comics, and the Collectors start their abductions. For anything we could do in those 2 years be truely significant we would need to see the effect on the galaxy. And since after those 2 years nothing else happened that changed the galaxy in a big way. Shepard doesn't need to know the details of what happened but there would still need to be a noticable result from those 2 years.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, you are bring up the endings.

Also, I don't think you understand why I suggested those 2 years. It's an open area. We have no major detail to what happen during those 2 years out side of the council backtracking, the geth war and the change of weapon. I suggested those year because we can easily put thing in the story with up conflicting with the main story. The only thing we can't do is add anything the contradicts the status quo stated in ME2. This would be extra info, not a change of info. This will not conflict with anything inthe general story.

Once again when I first started commenting in this thread I was not talking about the endings. I was talking about everything after this prequel span. You misunderstood what I was talking about and thought I just meant the endings, that is untrue. My statement referred to all events after this span.

No I understand completely why you chose those 2 years. You chose them because we (Shepard) were dead for those 2 years. Except it isn't really a completely open area of time. It is 2 years where the rest of the Geth Holdouts were defeated, stuff from the comics, and the Collectors start their abductions. For anything we could do in those 2 years be truely significant we would need to see the effect on the galaxy. And since after those 2 years nothing else happened that changed the galaxy in a big way. Shepard doesn't need to know the details of what happened but there would still need to be a noticable result from those 2 years.

You came in here supporting 3d's comment hich was bring up the ending. 

Sorry, but you came in bring up the ending.

Also, On those 2 years you right ti say no major detail came out durign those 2 year....Which is why I suggest a sercet conflict that would be covered up, like Jacob story in ME :Gelexy and Liara's war with the SB in ME2.

We don't have the events tie to anything noticable...Like how Jacobs story in galexy has no real noticable results in ME2.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

People vote with there money....And if they are still buying dlc...That means they still want more ME. If you still on this site...You want more ME.

That fact that your agueing with me now means you want more ME even if you hate the endings. That reads that people will still buy ME products.
If you were not, you would not still be here.

Technicalloy people vote with their hands and/or voice. Whether it be on a written ballot, a spoken ballot, or a show of hands. They don't vote with money.

1. Just because I am on BSN does not mean I want more Mass Effect. Maybe with a new ending sure, but as of now no I do not want more ME. I am on this forum to discuss the game, hear news about the game BW is making (DA3), and just to pass time. None of those reasons state that by being on this forum I want more Mass Effect.

2. The fact that I'm arguing with you is not because I want more ME. Due to the endings I do not. I will not get a sequel, I will not get the Trilogy Pack, and I will most likely not get more DLC. The reason I am arguing with you is because I do love Mass Effect. Do I want more, no but I still the ME trilogy (up until Priority:Earth) and I do not want to see the trilogy fall even more than it has.

3. Yes people will buy more Mass Effect but by your earlier statement you said no ME fan would turn it down. Not every ME fan will get it if it were to happen. Some people just hate prequels but love everything about ME (including the endings). Therefore you contradicted your statement to Yelloheadx where you said that they were talking about the entirity of consumers, when you did the same exact thing. 

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

People vote with there money....And if they are still buying dlc...That means they still want more ME. If you still on this site...You want more ME.

That fact that your agueing with me now means you want more ME even if you hate the endings. That reads that people will still buy ME products.
If you were not, you would not still be here.

Technicalloy people vote with their hands and/or voice. Whether it be on a written ballot, a spoken ballot, or a show of hands. They don't vote with money.

1. Just because I am on BSN does not mean I want more Mass Effect. Maybe with a new ending sure, but as of now no I do not want more ME. I am on this forum to discuss the game, hear news about the game BW is making (DA3), and just to pass time. None of those reasons state that by being on this forum I want more Mass Effect.

2. The fact that I'm arguing with you is not because I want more ME. Due to the endings I do not. I will not get a sequel, I will not get the Trilogy Pack, and I will most likely not get more DLC. The reason I am arguing with you is because I do love Mass Effect. Do I want more, no but I still the ME trilogy (up until Priority:Earth) and I do not want to see the trilogy fall even more than it has.

3. Yes people will buy more Mass Effect but by your earlier statement you said no ME fan would turn it down. Not every ME fan will get it if it were to happen. Some people just hate prequels but love everything about ME (including the endings). Therefore you contradicted your statement to Yelloheadx where you said that they were talking about the entirity of consumers, when you did the same exact thing. 

In bisness, when it comes to customers...Customers vote with their money. If they like and/or need something they buy and more is made. If they don't like it or don't need it, the product is no longer made.
You  really have to be told that?

1. Sorry, but if you are done with ME, You would not be here on the ME3 forum. Don't hide befind the fact BW annocunce DA3. You would be on those forum now if it wasyou major intreast. and you already know BW is not going to change the ending.
If you're still here . It means you want more ME.

2.The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series.

3.Those same people who hateprequels bought Halo:REACH , Kotor, swtor, DE:HR and watched the SW prequels. Sorry, A love for a series can massively overwhelme the hate of prequels.

Modifié par dreman9999, 20 octobre 2012 - 09:17 .

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, you are bring up the endings.

Also, I don't think you understand why I suggested those 2 years. It's an open area. We have no major detail to what happen during those 2 years out side of the council backtracking, the geth war and the change of weapon. I suggested those year because we can easily put thing in the story with up conflicting with the main story. The only thing we can't do is add anything the contradicts the status quo stated in ME2. This would be extra info, not a change of info. This will not conflict with anything inthe general story.

Once again when I first started commenting in this thread I was not talking about the endings. I was talking about everything after this prequel span. You misunderstood what I was talking about and thought I just meant the endings, that is untrue. My statement referred to all events after this span.

No I understand completely why you chose those 2 years. You chose them because we (Shepard) were dead for those 2 years. Except it isn't really a completely open area of time. It is 2 years where the rest of the Geth Holdouts were defeated, stuff from the comics, and the Collectors start their abductions. For anything we could do in those 2 years be truely significant we would need to see the effect on the galaxy. And since after those 2 years nothing else happened that changed the galaxy in a big way. Shepard doesn't need to know the details of what happened but there would still need to be a noticable result from those 2 years.

You came in here supporting 3d's comment hich was bring up the ending. 

Sorry, but you came in bring up the ending.

this was my exact first post in this thread

Dreman, let me give you my thoughts on what 3D is saying.

Mass Effect is Shepard's story, is it not? She is not saying that this prequel, yes it is a prequel to ME3 and technically most of ME2 (due to the fact that that 2 year gap takes place before all but the opening part of ME2), will not directly effect the ME3 endings but the player will be thinking about how it could effect. The player knows how it all ends so that is why6 they will be thinking about how this prequel would affect the ending.

I wasn't defending 3D's post I was just trying to explain to you what she meant. I knew this thread was not specifically about the endings which is why my post directly below it said my views on your OP.

Any prequel is a bad idea and this is the reason why...

We already know how everything turns out. Whether it be the First Contact War or the Krogan Rebellions, we know how everything turns out

Yes, I said that in a prequel we would know how everything turns out. Like I posted above, I was talking about everything after the prequel span. You misunderstood what I was talking about and thought I just meant the endings, that is untrue. My statement referred to all events after this span. This would include all of ME2 and all of ME3. Not just the ME3 endings.

Also, On those 2 years you right ti say no major detail came out durign those 2 year....Which is why I suggest a sercet conflict that would be covered up, like Jacob story in ME :Gelexy and Liara's war with the SB in ME2.

We don't have the events tie to anything noticable...Like how Jacobs story in galexy has no real noticable results in ME2.

Yes I agree that there could be a covered up event that doesn't tie into the games we have.  But that would be a failure for a game. That is one of the reasons why the make comics and things like that. For there to be asuccessful game,especially in the ME universe, it needs to have great impact of the galaxy. If the event in this prequel would not impact the galaxy players would be bored and feel like they wasted their time. That is a reason why there wasn't a game about Jacob's mission.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 20 octobre 2012 - 09:22 .

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

I don't have a problem with a side story in the MEU. I have a problem with them making a game with it. Comics and Movies would be fine though

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Yes, you are speaking for yourself. These are your reason for you not want this. Your issues does not mean it will be a general issue with a game like this. Only you and some fokes have this problem...And you're no were near the majority.

2."Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?"

You do understand that people are still buying dlc and playing the mp. That speaks volumes in it self.bw STATED Leviathen was the hightest selling dlc to date and people clearly are ready to fork over money for Omega. It clear people still want more ME. IT JUST THAT YOU DO NOT.

1.  Only me and some folks....How many folks would that be?  1-10? 11-100?  101-500?  More?  How much more SP DLC, MP, New ME Title content does BioWare/EA want to sell? $20-$40? $40-$100?  More?  Multiply those two numbers together.  At some point, the amount of money that they do not collect becomes significant.  Don't forget the less tangible lost potential earnings for other BioWare/EA or EA titles.  Also, one's subjective experience with original content is always a significant factor when considering spinoff content of any type.

2.  Of course people are still buying DLC.  Had they made a proper ending to the game, or fixed it when they were called out on it, would MORE people be buying content?  Is there such a thing as enough sales?

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

People vote with there money....And if they are still buying dlc...That means they still want more ME. If you still on this site...You want more ME.

That fact that your agueing with me now means you want more ME even if you hate the endings. That reads that people will still buy ME products.
If you were not, you would not still be here.

Technicalloy people vote with their hands and/or voice. Whether it be on a written ballot, a spoken ballot, or a show of hands. They don't vote with money.

1. Just because I am on BSN does not mean I want more Mass Effect. Maybe with a new ending sure, but as of now no I do not want more ME. I am on this forum to discuss the game, hear news about the game BW is making (DA3), and just to pass time. None of those reasons state that by being on this forum I want more Mass Effect.

2. The fact that I'm arguing with you is not because I want more ME. Due to the endings I do not. I will not get a sequel, I will not get the Trilogy Pack, and I will most likely not get more DLC. The reason I am arguing with you is because I do love Mass Effect. Do I want more, no but I still the ME trilogy (up until Priority:Earth) and I do not want to see the trilogy fall even more than it has.

3. Yes people will buy more Mass Effect but by your earlier statement you said no ME fan would turn it down. Not every ME fan will get it if it were to happen. Some people just hate prequels but love everything about ME (including the endings). Therefore you contradicted your statement to Yelloheadx where you said that they were talking about the entirity of consumers, when you did the same exact thing. 

In bisness, when it comes to customers...Customers vote with their money. If they like and/or need something they buy and more is made. If they don't like it or don't need it, the product is no longer made.
You  really have to be told that?

No I don't need to be told that, I have common sense. The first part of my post was a joke. A joke is meant to be humorous for comedy. Do you really need to be told that?

1. Sorry, but if you are done with ME, You would not be here on the ME3 forum. Don't hide befind the fact BW annocunce DA3. You would be on those forum now if it wasyou major intreast. and you already know BW is not going to change the ending.
If you're still here . It means you want more ME.

2.The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series.

3.Those same people who hateprequels bought Halo:REACH , Kotor, swtor, DE:HR and watched the SW prequels. Sorry, A love for a series can massively overwhelme the hate of prequels.

1. I am done with future ME content. That doesn;'t mean that I am prhibited from going of the ME forums. And if you would look at my profile besides this thread most of my posts as of late were in the DA3 forum or bumping some friends threads. I have always loved DA more than ME (even pre ME3 release), pre-announcement almost everyday I would look online to see if any details were released. DA is my major interest but it isn't the only reason I am on BSN

2. That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it.

3. First you are once again speaking for a group of people. Where is your proof that people who hate prequels bought any of those examples you listed?

[dreman9999]

Yelloheadx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Yes, you are speaking for yourself. These are your reason for you not want this. Your issues does not mean it will be a general issue with a game like this. Only you and some fokes have this problem...And you're no were near the majority.

2."Well that gets to the heart of the matter doesn't it?  What proportion of of the existing customer base is likely to purchase new content?  What proportion is unwilling to buy new content (Lost Revenue)?  What happens to future sales to new customers when old customers like me no longer endorse/recommnd BioWare/EA titles?"

You do understand that people are still buying dlc and playing the mp. That speaks volumes in it self.bw STATED Leviathen was the hightest selling dlc to date and people clearly are ready to fork over money for Omega. It clear people still want more ME. IT JUST THAT YOU DO NOT.

1.  Only me and some folks....How many folks would that be?  1-10? 11-100?  101-500?  More?  How much more SP DLC, MP, New ME Title content does BioWare/EA want to sell? $20-$40? $40-$100?  More?  Multiply those two numbers together.  At some point, the amount of money that they do not collect becomes significant.  Don't forget the less tangible lost potential earnings for other BioWare/EA or EA titles.  Also, one's subjective experience with original content is always a significant factor when considering spinoff content of any type.

2.  Of course people are still buying DLC.  Had they made a proper ending to the game, or fixed it when they were called out on it, would MORE people be buying content?  Is there such a thing as enough sales?

1. Then count any new players. On that count, they can still Make a new game and expect profit. Which is why they are planning a new ME game. Sorry, your point is no sound enough to illustation why a new game should not be made.

2. But is not a case they are at a loss. That'smy point. You ether like  it or don't but you reason is not sound enough to illustrate any ill effect of making a new game. You going to have to live with the end....But any, my suggent has nothing to do with the ending.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

I don't have a problem with a side story in the MEU. I have a problem with them making a game with it. Comics and Movies would be fine though

Which is my point. The fact you have issue with a side story game, illustates how singleminded you are.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I don't think an other me fanwould turn down a origin style ME game.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

that is seriously the stupidest thing I have heard today. There are at least hundreds of people who are still Mass Effect fans but have left BioWare for good. There are people I know who love the endings who would turn down an Origin style game if it was a prequel, like you are suggesting.

You just said 

you not speaking for the entirity of the customer, right?

So by your statement above you just contradicted yourself again. You told Yelloheadx that he/she isn't speaking for the entirity of consumers but you apparently are when you said no other ME fan would turn down a origin style ME game.

People vote with there money....And if they are still buying dlc...That means they still want more ME. If you still on this site...You want more ME.

That fact that your agueing with me now means you want more ME even if you hate the endings. That reads that people will still buy ME products.
If you were not, you would not still be here.

Technicalloy people vote with their hands and/or voice. Whether it be on a written ballot, a spoken ballot, or a show of hands. They don't vote with money.

1. Just because I am on BSN does not mean I want more Mass Effect. Maybe with a new ending sure, but as of now no I do not want more ME. I am on this forum to discuss the game, hear news about the game BW is making (DA3), and just to pass time. None of those reasons state that by being on this forum I want more Mass Effect.

2. The fact that I'm arguing with you is not because I want more ME. Due to the endings I do not. I will not get a sequel, I will not get the Trilogy Pack, and I will most likely not get more DLC. The reason I am arguing with you is because I do love Mass Effect. Do I want more, no but I still the ME trilogy (up until Priority:Earth) and I do not want to see the trilogy fall even more than it has.

3. Yes people will buy more Mass Effect but by your earlier statement you said no ME fan would turn it down. Not every ME fan will get it if it were to happen. Some people just hate prequels but love everything about ME (including the endings). Therefore you contradicted your statement to Yelloheadx where you said that they were talking about the entirity of consumers, when you did the same exact thing. 

In bisness, when it comes to customers...Customers vote with their money. If they like and/or need something they buy and more is made. If they don't like it or don't need it, the product is no longer made.
You  really have to be told that?

No I don't need to be told that, I have common sense. The first part of my post was a joke. A joke is meant to be humorous for comedy. Do you really need to be told that?

1. Sorry, but if you are done with ME, You would not be here on the ME3 forum. Don't hide befind the fact BW annocunce DA3. You would be on those forum now if it wasyou major intreast. and you already know BW is not going to change the ending.
If you're still here . It means you want more ME.

2.The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series.

3.Those same people who hateprequels bought Halo:REACH , Kotor, swtor, DE:HR and watched the SW prequels. Sorry, A love for a series can massively overwhelme the hate of prequels.

1. I am done with future ME content. That doesn;'t mean that I am prhibited from going of the ME forums. And if you would look at my profile besides this thread most of my posts as of late were in the DA3 forum or bumping some friends threads. I have always loved DA more than ME (even pre ME3 release), pre-announcement almost everyday I would look online to see if any details were released. DA is my major interest but it isn't the only reason I am on BSN

2. That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it.

3. First you are once again speaking for a group of people. Where is your proof that people who hate prequels bought any of those examples you listed?

1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

I don't have a problem with a side story in the MEU. I have a problem with them making a game with it. Comics and Movies would be fine though

Which is my point. The fact you have issue with a side story game, illustates how singleminded you are.

That doesn't mean I'm single minded. I have an opininion on whether a side story would be a good idea or not but that does not me I am single minded.

I can call you single minded as well. Because since you don't have an issue with the ME3 endings and don't listen to other peoples thoughts on flaws then you are single minded as well.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

1. that makes no sense. I am not going to a place for something I hate but for something I love. I love ME for everything (up until Priority:Earth), that is why I am here in the ME forums.

2. I was using an example. When you said...
"The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series."
I said...
"That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it."

I was making an example about how just because something ends whether you are happy with the ending or not, you can still love it but that does not mean you want more of it. Mypoint wasn't meant to bring up anything about LOST, I could have made the same point about The Harry Potter series. You can love it but that doesn't me you want more of it after the ending.

3. Yes some people will still buy it but a lot of people also won't because they either don't like prequels or don't want ME without Shepard, whether they liked the ending or not. 

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

1. that makes no sense. I am not going to a place for something I hate but for something I love. I love ME for everything (up until Priority:Earth), that is why I am here in the ME forums.

2. I was using an example. When you said...
"The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series."
I said...
"That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it."

I was making an example about how just because something ends whether you are happy with the ending or not, you can still love it but that does not mean you want more of it. Mypoint wasn't meant to bring up anything about LOST, I could have made the same point about The Harry Potter series. You can love it but that doesn't me you want more of it after the ending.

3. Yes some people will still buy it but a lot of people also won't because they either don't like prequels or don't want ME without Shepard, whether they liked the ending or not. 

1. But that does not remind you of the ending?
2.The thing is Lost is not a series with an expanded universe. ME is. ME is made tobe able to have lost of storiesin it...Hence the books.
Why can't that be done with there games?

3.People have bought Halo reach, DE:hr, Kotor, swtor and watched all 3 sw prequels. A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of prequels.
Add, People who massivle like the first generation of Star trak loved and watch the sequel serires star treknext generation.
A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of sequal with new main characters.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

1. that makes no sense. I am not going to a place for something I hate but for something I love. I love ME for everything (up until Priority:Earth), that is why I am here in the ME forums.

2. I was using an example. When you said...
"The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series."
I said...
"That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it."

I was making an example about how just because something ends whether you are happy with the ending or not, you can still love it but that does not mean you want more of it. Mypoint wasn't meant to bring up anything about LOST, I could have made the same point about The Harry Potter series. You can love it but that doesn't me you want more of it after the ending.

3. Yes some people will still buy it but a lot of people also won't because they either don't like prequels or don't want ME without Shepard, whether they liked the ending or not. 

1. But that does not remind you of the ending?
2.The thing is Lost is not a series with an expanded universe. ME is. ME is made tobe able to have lost of storiesin it...Hence the books.
Why can't that be done with there games?

3.People have bought Halo reach, DE:hr, Kotor, swtor and watched all 3 sw prequels. A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of prequels.
Add, People who massivle like the first generation of Star trak loved and watch the sequel serires star treknext generation.
A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of sequal with new main characters.

1. It doesn't remind me of the endings because I haven't forgotten them. Just because of my views on the ending doesn't stray me away from the forums.

2. That's true. LOST was just a show, it is the story of one group of people just like the ME trilogy we have is about Shepard and his story. LOST could have had lots of room for side stories or prequels. But I was debating your point that just because you love something doesn't mean you want more of it. It ended, that is enough for some people.

I could lso use DA for example. They could have made a game as a prequel for Cassandra's story but instead the made a movie, Dawn of the Seeker. My point is that books, comics, and movies would be best for a prequel in the DA world and the ME universe.

3. Key word in you statement is can. "Can the love for a series overcome the hate of a prequel." Yes it can for some pwoplw but not for all. 

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

1. that makes no sense. I am not going to a place for something I hate but for something I love. I love ME for everything (up until Priority:Earth), that is why I am here in the ME forums.

2. I was using an example. When you said...
"The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series."
I said...
"That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it."

I was making an example about how just because something ends whether you are happy with the ending or not, you can still love it but that does not mean you want more of it. Mypoint wasn't meant to bring up anything about LOST, I could have made the same point about The Harry Potter series. You can love it but that doesn't me you want more of it after the ending.

3. Yes some people will still buy it but a lot of people also won't because they either don't like prequels or don't want ME without Shepard, whether they liked the ending or not. 

1. But that does not remind you of the ending?
2.The thing is Lost is not a series with an expanded universe. ME is. ME is made tobe able to have lost of storiesin it...Hence the books.
Why can't that be done with there games?

3.People have bought Halo reach, DE:hr, Kotor, swtor and watched all 3 sw prequels. A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of prequels.
Add, People who massivle like the first generation of Star trak loved and watch the sequel serires star treknext generation.
A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of sequal with new main characters.

1. It doesn't remind me of the endings because I haven't forgotten them. Just because of my views on the ending doesn't stray me away from the forums.

2. That's true. LOST was just a show, it is the story of one group of people just like the ME trilogy we have is about Shepard and his story. LOST could have had lots of room for side stories or prequels. But I was debating your point that just because you love something doesn't mean you want more of it. It ended, that is enough for some people.

I could lso use DA for example. They could have made a game as a prequel for Cassandra's story but instead the made a movie, Dawn of the Seeker. My point is that books, comics, and movies would be best for a prequel in the DA world and the ME universe.

3. Key word in you statement is can. "Can the love for a series overcome the hate of a prequel." Yes it can for some pwoplw but not for all. 

1.You come here and aurgue about the ending every day. This forum reminds you of the ending.
2.In DA they still can make a prequel game for Cassandra. Heck, the made a dlc prequel FOR Leliana in DAO.
Also, DA also does not lock you in the perspective of the hero ether. You clearly not playing the warden in DA2.
3.Well too bad for those people. The arethe minority. You CAN'T MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

I don't have a problem with a side story in the MEU. I have a problem with them making a game with it. Comics and Movies would be fine though

Which is my point. The fact you have issue with a side story game, illustates how singleminded you are.

That doesn't mean I'm single minded. I have an opininion on whether a side story would be a good idea or not but that does not me I am single minded.

I can call you single minded as well. Because since you don't have an issue with the ME3 endings and don't listen to other peoples thoughts on flaws then you are single minded as well.

You're not getting that your reason you apose this idea is not a solid one.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. And you going to a place remainding you of something you hate because...?

2.I don't see you going intotopics about Lost making decusions.

3.You can look at the reaction of the people in these ME forum to see there reactions..It clear peole want more ME games. If you can't get over ME3 ending to enjoy any new ME game that is your problem.

1. that makes no sense. I am not going to a place for something I hate but for something I love. I love ME for everything (up until Priority:Earth), that is why I am here in the ME forums.

2. I was using an example. When you said...
"The fact that you love ME mean you want more. Once they make a new game and still not change ME3's ending...You going to have to choose to get over the ending or move on form the series."
I said...
"That doesn't mean I want more. For example I love the TV show LOST. It is my favorite TV show ever, but it ended (with a controversal ending) but that doesn't mean I want them to release new episodes. I can love something and not want more of it."

I was making an example about how just because something ends whether you are happy with the ending or not, you can still love it but that does not mean you want more of it. Mypoint wasn't meant to bring up anything about LOST, I could have made the same point about The Harry Potter series. You can love it but that doesn't me you want more of it after the ending.

3. Yes some people will still buy it but a lot of people also won't because they either don't like prequels or don't want ME without Shepard, whether they liked the ending or not. 

1. But that does not remind you of the ending?
2.The thing is Lost is not a series with an expanded universe. ME is. ME is made tobe able to have lost of storiesin it...Hence the books.
Why can't that be done with there games?

3.People have bought Halo reach, DE:hr, Kotor, swtor and watched all 3 sw prequels. A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of prequels.
Add, People who massivle like the first generation of Star trak loved and watch the sequel serires star treknext generation.
A love of a series can easily overwhelme the hate of sequal with new main characters.

1. It doesn't remind me of the endings because I haven't forgotten them. Just because of my views on the ending doesn't stray me away from the forums.

2. That's true. LOST was just a show, it is the story of one group of people just like the ME trilogy we have is about Shepard and his story. LOST could have had lots of room for side stories or prequels. But I was debating your point that just because you love something doesn't mean you want more of it. It ended, that is enough for some people.

I could lso use DA for example. They could have made a game as a prequel for Cassandra's story but instead the made a movie, Dawn of the Seeker. My point is that books, comics, and movies would be best for a prequel in the DA world and the ME universe.

3. Key word in you statement is can. "Can the love for a series overcome the hate of a prequel." Yes it can for some pwoplw but not for all. 

1.You come here and aurgue about the ending every day. This forum reminds you of the ending.
2.In DA they still can make a prequel game for Cassandra. Heck, the made a dlc prequel FOR Leliana in DAO.
Also, DA also does not lock you in the perspective of the hero ether. You clearly not playing the warden in DA2.
3.Well too bad for those people. The arethe minority. You CAN'T MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.

1. Actually most days I don't talk about the endings. Especially lately I have been on the DA3 forums and from time to time go into ending threads. Most of the time I have talking with friends on here about things other than the endings.

2. Yes the did make Leliana's Song but that was a quick dlc. It wasn't the length of a full game and it was just an optional DLC.  and the perspective has nothing to do with my point though. 

At least you have a new favorite argument now. It is perspective and not morality

3. You cannot say who is the minority unless you survey everybody who is a ME fan. There are no hard numbers to go off of.

[AresKeith]

If anyone tries to use the minority/majority card, then you have a baseless argument and your a d**kbag

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The fact remain that you can't imagine any view point but you own. You're very single minded.

The contradictory quote of the day.

The fact that you have a problem with a side story in the MEU proves my point.

I don't have a problem with a side story in the MEU. I have a problem with them making a game with it. Comics and Movies would be fine though

Which is my point. The fact you have issue with a side story game, illustates how singleminded you are.

That doesn't mean I'm single minded. I have an opininion on whether a side story would be a good idea or not but that does not me I am single minded.

I can call you single minded as well. Because since you don't have an issue with the ME3 endings and don't listen to other peoples thoughts on flaws then you are single minded as well.

You're not getting that your reason you apose this idea is not a solid one.

It is a solid reason but you just won't listen to what my reason is. I am against a prequel because we know how everything plays out from the time the prequel ends and through the epilogue/slideshow of ME3. Our choices in this prequel would have no effect on the galaxy, new perspective or not.

I could say the same for you however. You don't use solid arguments. You use things like morallity with one source coming from 1 pre-release trailer, where we hear multiple things that didn't come true. And whenever I bring up a point about how false one statement about how we will not have a Reaper off-switch but we did get one, you bring up stupid points like calling it a Reaper bomb (like you did in the convo my sig links to). You are too narrow-minded to see that a Reaper Bomb and a Reaper off-switch are the same thing.

[Yelloheadx]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Then count any new players. On that count, they can still Make a new game and expect profit. Which is why they are planning a new ME game. Sorry, your point is no sound enough to illustation why a new game should not be made.

2. But is not a case they are at a loss. That'smy point. You ether like  it or don't but you reason is not sound enough to illustrate any ill effect of making a new game. You going to have to live with the end....But any, my suggent has nothing to do with the ending.

1.  Total Sales = Sales to Old Customers + Sales to New Customers.  Retaining Old Customers helps maximize total sales, no?  Endorsements from Old Customers boosts sales to New Customers, no?  It would make sense to retain as many Old Customers as possible, no?

2.  So you are suggesting that as long as you are making some profit, you can be dismissive about company decisions that prevent maximizing profit.  If you ever get a job in sales, you should make sure that your boss never knows this about you.

Does your game concept include content that refers to the ME3 ending?  No.

Does my subjective experience with the ME Universe have an influence on if I would buy your game? Yes. Unfortunately for you (assuming you are trying to sell me your game), the part of the ME experience that I hate the most is so fundamental to the entire experience, that it has killed my desire to plug back into the ME Universe.

Since you are suggesting a ME spinoff, your potential customer base/target market is ME veterans.  The sum of how they feel about their ME experience will directly affect the buyrate of your title.  What they tell their friends who are not ME veterans will affect the buyrate.

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...

If anyone tries to use the minority/majority card, then you have a baseless argument and your a d**kbag

If he can provide hard numbers from all players then maybe it wouldn't be a baseless argument. That is why I use phrases like a lot, or some but he uses minority/majority