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[DRobin13]

In DA2 you are given the choice of killing Anders, letting him go or making him join you. If you have Sebastian then he will make you choose between him and Anders. If you chose Anders over Sebastian then Sebastian makes the threat to return to Stakhaven & gather an army & come back to start a war. If you choose Sebastain then you have to kill Anders. In both situations Anders dies. I would assume that if you decided to keep Anders on your side that in DA3 they'd announce he died. Even David Gaider said that if you killed Anders he's dead but Justice is a different story. In DA2 Anders even states that even if he dies Justice will live.

I liked Anders in Awakening, but he fell a few steps in my favorite character list with his progression in DA2. I do think that no matter your choice Anders will end up dead in DA3

[Sable Rhapsody]

Just like how no matter what you choose he ends up alive in DA2?

I'm fine with the writers retconning deaths if they decide they really wanna use a particular character, but killing someone off between games when you had the choice to decide whether he lives or dies doesn't really serve a purpose IMO.

And Justice isn't really Justice any more. Who knows what he'll become if Anders is dead? IMO Anders saying that Justice will outlast him is just a guess, or maybe even wishful thinking.

[DRobin13]

I do agree that it doesn't serve a purpose but what made me think of this was mainly David Gaider's repsonse to it & the decision between Anders and Sebastain reminded me of the fight in Origins with Alistar and Loghain.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DRobin13 wrote...

I do agree that it doesn't serve a purpose but what made me think of this was mainly David Gaider's repsonse to it & the decision between Anders and Sebastain reminded me of the fight in Origins with Alistar and Loghain.

As far as I'm aware, import determines whether Alistair and Loghain live in DA2.  Neither death is canonized.

As for Anders' fate, I'm sure he's dead in a lot of games.  But what if he lives in a game where Sebastian wasn't downloaded and recruited?  And even if he was, what makes you think Sebastian could actually kill Anders?  Sure he said he was going back to Starkhaven to raise an army.  Whether that actually happens is anyone's guess.  And if Hawke spared Anders and kept him around, I think Hawke might have a thing or two to say about that army.

[DRobin13]

Not in that he acctualy could kill Anders but I'm thinking of the things that come up that could lead to him dying. I hope he is alive in DA3, I kept him & want to see what role he takes in DA3 maybe as someone leading the mages but with the possibilites of him dying I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's dead in DA3

[Sable Rhapsody]

DRobin13 wrote...

Not in that he acctualy could kill Anders but I'm thinking of the things that come up that could lead to him dying. I hope he is alive in DA3, I kept him & want to see what role he takes in DA3 maybe as someone leading the mages but with the possibilites of him dying I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he's dead in DA3

He can die by Hawke's hand or presumably by Seb's if Hawke spares him but sends him away.  That's about as much as any other character who isn't plot-critical.  I'd say we have a decent chance of seeing an Anders cameo in DA2, if only for more of his particular brand of insanity.

[Darth Krytie]

Gaider specifically stated that whatever the player chose irt Anders being alive/dead would be what he is at the start of DA3.

[hexaligned]

Anders can rot where he lays, I wouldn't mind running into Justice in a fade section of DA3 though.

[Henioo]

Justice is the kind of guy I wish I could kill twice.

[hexaligned]

Can you "kill" a spirit? If not I am going to start advocating a Ghost Buster class.

[Felya87]

I hated so much Sebastian that I would never kill Anders. He didn't even came to the fade when Hawke need his help! that spoiled monk can go to gather every army he wish...I would have liked much more the option to kill him than Anders!!!

I think Anders deserve to die, but I didn't kill him. My Hawke needed him to fight. And he needed a way to reedem himself, at least a little. He is the only one who know where Hawke is.

I would be much more curios about what my Warden would have to say to him...I think she would punch him two times: one for him because is a idiot, an one for Justice, because he didn't understand a thing!

I think at least a little cameo would be done by Justice in DA3...even if Anders is dead. I'd like to know has has changed without Anders influence.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Oh Justice and Anders, how you both have fallen so far and low.

[POETICDRINK]

I want Justice! I made Justice a tank everytime and was ripping through monsters,beast, and anyone against us.

[Sejborg]

Yeah. Except that Justice was turned into Vengeance or some crap.

[EricHVela]

Justice is not a simple concept, and most demons/spirits were simple concepts -- Desire, Pride, Sloth, Rage. They simplified Justice when they personified it. It had a singular response to anything that deviated from its dogma of righteousness.

Eventually through quasi-retcon, they renamed Justice to Vengeance and focused it on blind anger. They still got it wrong. Instead of Vengeance or Justice, they got simple Rage.

Justice was too big of a bite for them to take. They need to stick with primary concepts of Human behavior and emotions.

[marshalleck]

I don't see what the fuss is all about with Anders, all he did was set off some pretty firecrackers and next thing you know the fascist Templars are going all deathsquad on everyone. Pfft.

[ammyretsu]

I like Anders a lot in both games (ooh CONTRO OPINION) and would love to see him alive in DA3.

Would like to see Justice back as well, but mainly so I can continue being a dick to him...this only started after playing through DAII for the first time.

If you killed Anders off in your game then I hope Bioware keep him dead for you guys, but I ran off into the sunset after sticking it to Thedas so I hope I get to see him again for any length of time in DAIII.

[septembervirgin]

Demons have names, sometimes titular names. A rage demon can be named. Also, demons can take different forms besides the generic ones we see. I suspect Justice was a spirit somewhat unrefined to interaction with the "Matter of Thedas" and as it became interested in meddling it became more filled with a feeling -- and that feeling was Rage.

We now have a possessing Rage spirit. Should Anders die with the rage spirit in him, he will arise as no more than an "enraged corpse" no doubt.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I killed Anders in some playthroughs and left him alive in only one in DA2. But in the epilogue of Awakenings, Justice could have stayed in Kristoff's body for a while (depending on what if you choose to save Amaranthine or not). So was he with Anders when he finally left the body of the Kristoff and that is when Anders took him into himself to help Justice stay 'alive' outside the fade? Or is it an entirely different spirit of Justice that Anders took into himself? This is where I get confused since the epilogue doesn't really say what happens to the spirit once he leaves Kristoff's body. I don't know if I want to see Justice in DA3 because he was just so full of rage. But if he is not feeding off of Anders hate maybe he would be different then he was in DA2.

[KENNY4753]

Nizaris1 wrote...

What if all these Spirit of Justice and Lyrium Idol all just Varric adding spices in his story?

I wouldn't doubt it. It did make the story better.

[FINE HERE]

I think Justice is gonna be a demon in DA3.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that was the whole point of the Justice-Anders thing, to show how spirits can turn into demons.

[Warden661]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

What if all these Spirit of Justice and Lyrium Idol all just Varric adding spices in his story?

I wouldn't doubt it. It did make the story better.

I liked his version better too.

[KENNY4753]

BoBear wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

What if all these Spirit of Justice and Lyrium Idol all just Varric adding spices in his story?

I wouldn't doubt it. It did make the story better.

I liked his version better too.

Varric could even make Twilight good.

Yes I am giving him that much credit as the best story teller ever.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:58 .

[Mr.House]

He's dead in all my DA2 saves, so he better stay dead.