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[jakenou]

It seems like the servers need to be (ready for it?) ... calibrated Everything just seems to be out of synch to varying degrees but most of the time, on or off host. Enemies you can't see, or hear for that matter, downing you right after revive or ops packs, being marked as dead or dying while you or teammates are still actively standing and fighting, health/shield gate animations not accurately representing true status, and many other things.

I don't know the mechanics of it, but maybe the MP assets are getting too big and boggy for P2P hosting.

[Sopec]

We should be able to throw Dragoon.
Their run is funny.
Seriously, get rid of the armor. Annoying and funny looking characters should be throw-able.

Modifié par Ah_gho, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[UpirNoir]

Komrade Kaos wrote...

Miclotov wrote...

You forget to mention the spawn behaviour with the only intention to trap you. :>

^ this!!! I feel paranoid all the time now!!

This +1
If you rocketclear a hack circle you should get at least a little breathing room and not get swarmed by the next wave in what sometimes feels like 5 seconds. The coke addict like speed of the Dragoons makes it even worse.....
And the hack the 4 objectives can turn into a giant clusterf*ck in an instant now even on silver, if you don't get all 4 within the first minute, with enemies all over the place...

[CitizenThom]

Nice to hear. It's clear that the spike wasn't intended. Afterall, the Reapers didn't spike. The truth is though, I think the Geth difficulty will be fine if the Hunter's super stun lock and firing while frozen/ stasis'd /pulled/ etc. get fixed. Only cerberus actually had any difficulty spike, and that's fixed by making the Dragoons a tad more audible, and a tad less speedy.

[donosaur]

Just to weigh in, I'm a solid-Silver player and Cerberus and Reapers at least have become much more difficult. The Marauders and Cannibals executions add a whole new way to fail in these matches, and the Dragoons may not kill me outright but they flush me out so I get dropped by something else. My medigels have dried up in the past week

[Kogia]

Reduce Geth Bombers uncanny dodge abilities and maybe reduce their numbers.

Give Pyros some sound as they approach, they shouldn't be stealthier than Phantoms.

Look at Geth stun-locking abilities now that they have bombers to flush us out of cover.

Reduce Dragoons speed a little and maybe their numbers.

Remove some of the Possessed spawns from early waves, especially in bronze & silver (shouldn't really have to deal with that in wave 1 on bronze).

Check spawn timings during objectives, sometimes I'm just amazed at how fast and hard they rush you and in such numbers, even after being cleared by missiles.

When you use medigel you shouldn't have a Dragoon lashing you before you've even stood up, they can stunlock you straight back down again.

All this is from a bronze & silver perspective, I haven't dared to go back into gold since the dlc.

[john-in-france]

Today was worse, especially tonight.

Full health and shields AV taken down by one...one swarmer to dead. A Turian Havoc in the same game was also going down to swarmers...after popping stims, and the Krogan Sentinel must have been drinking ryncol, because he face planted as often as I did.

I'm having to use Stronghold gear in Silver when I didn't use too (used to use Omnicapacitors), as I decided than I got tired of 'I'm down' or 'Bosh'Tet!' every few seconds.

[ElectroNeonPanda]

Kogia wrote...

All this is from a bronze & silver perspective, I haven't dared to go back into gold since the dlc.

Which is a real issue considering most of the vocal protesters against a reduction in difficulty already sport a maxed - or close to - manifest.  Leaving those who are in the grey area of no longer reliably being able to complete golds suddenly faced with significantly reduced credit gain.  This wouldn't be such a huge issue if the RNG of the Store wasn't such a completely disgusting mess.  

I'd happily continue to stomp on U/U/G but a combination of being a Euro PS3 player and having a ghost-town of a friend's list following BL2's release - in addition to friend's leaving just because they were bored with the same old - conspired to shunt me towards FW/G/G and G/U/G simply because U/U/G with PUGs is about as much fun as slamming your fruits in a door.  Since the changes last week and the removal of that as a viable choice I'm left with the option of doing Silvers - where PUGs can still reliably wipe, now even moreso -or queue for golds when I know it's going to be migraine-inducing.  

Bioware screwed up plain and simple.  Whatever they thought they were going to make better with the removal of camping they clearly failed so majestically as to kill a massive percentage of the players' desires to log on at all.  I was already close to quitting purely because of the Store system but the impact these "fixes" have had on my credit acquisition have pretty much sealed the deal and I'm fairly certain I'm not in the minority here.

[drmoose00]

maybe someone has already done this, but i think the debate/uproar about this can all be tied to a single issue: credits

for some, who have been around and are high level players, they don't care anymore, becuase their manifest is maxed out. For me, I have almost everything maxed out, save for a few URs and weapon mods. So I can go down and play silver and have fun and not care (but for sure the game is less fun/more annoying now, to me). For the vast majority, they want credits to get better weapons. So all of a sudden, with the elimination of Glacier and FBW, and the notable uptick in difficulty, they have gone from ~200-300k/hr to maybe having to spend 1.5 hours to get enough to buy a sigle PSP.

Doing the math, you need ~1000PSPs to get 100 URs (@5%) So they would need to drop over 1000-1500 hours to get 100UR slots filled, and thier manifest is still not complete (although arguably big enough).

The point is that this is way more time than anybody new is going to spend on the game. The vast majority will get frustrated and move on, pretty quick. For the elite with extended friends lists, it won't matter (much), but for people who play PUGs, the game will die pretty quick, imo. It is in the game's best interest to make the credits easier to come by (by increasing reward or making it a bit easier), the packs cheaper, or the weapons easier to get.

Modifié par lemon00, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Habi33]

Good to know they're looking into this. As a silver player, things have definitely gotten a lot harder.

[DarthVarner]

 Shameless link to my comments and recommended changes (which seem to be getting no visibility on the 2-minute-max front page today):

social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/343/index/14531068/1#14531068

[Serge_THE_GREAT]

Chris Schanche wrote...

Dragoons will generally not shoot you in cloak, though they will fire at the position you were last at. They are however melee creatures and follow normal melee creature behavior which attempts to seek out cloaked players if they decide they want to try to whip you. This roughly breaks down to, a melee creature attempting to melee a cloaked player will always find them and hit them as long as they stand still. However as long as the cloaked player keeps moving the melee creatures will not be able to find them.

We haven't changed cloak behavior, there are other difficulty concerns but this isn't one of them.

Problem is that it makes soloing a game nigh on impossible now because Dragoons will home in on you when doing a hack objective.  It is true that other enemy characters would find you while cloaking, but they weren't nearly as FAST, and even Banshees would have their 'moments' where they had to cool down and stop teleporting after you, giving you some semblance of a chance.

[ElectroNeonPanda]

lemon00 wrote...

The point is that this is way more time than anybody new is going to spend on the game. The vast majority will get frustrated and move on, pretty quick. For the elite with extended friends lists, it won't matter (much), but for people who play PUGs, the game will die pretty quick, imo. It is in the game's best interest to make the credits easier to come by (by increasing reward or making it a bit easier), the packs cheaper, or the weapons easier to get.

While I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post I have very little belief they'll ever improve credit acquisition rates.  Regardless of what spin they're giving for the removal of camping the crux of the matter is they wanted to reduce credit gain.  Everyone accepts the Store RNG is broken to Hell but you will never see Bioware commenting on it.  I'm sure it frustrates the devs as much as us because they've made an awesome MP experience only to have it tarnished by such a blatant milking exercise.

[Kogia]

I'm a Euro Ps3 gamer too, but I tend to be playing at weird hours lately as I've had to temporarily move back in to my parents, which also means if I'm gaming late I can't be on a mic.

They could leave the difficulty as it is for gold & platinum, they are supposed to be tough anyway, but definitely bronze is too tough, that's where beginners go and it's crazy now. Silver, I've gone from never using consumables to 3 gels and a couple of missiles every match and that's when the credit isssues start to appear. Silver matches just don't provide enough to keep consumables up and buy packs for new gear.

I'm really relaxed about my manifest now, I'm enjoying playing silver just for fun and not really worrying about credits, but it will bother me when I start having to buy packs just to keep my medigel numbers up. I did farm FBWGG & P and I am glad I was able to, to put my manifest where it is now, but I do think the game is more interesting now that farming one map has gone.

[vkt62]

I was about to max my rares in a week if the dlc hadn't come. Now with the dlc content and new enemies and nightmare gold games, I doubt I will be playing this game for long. They should never have introduced the dragoon or the geth bomber. The game was fine with all the other changes. These new enemies are fine at long range but once they get closer, you can just forget using medgels since you will just be wasting them.

My rocket and medgel consumption has gone up big time just because of these new enemies. You don't even get a chance to play with them in the game.

Modifié par vkt62, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:49 .

[Rockpopple]

I gotta admit it was sweet sweet justification to learn that the devs found an unintentional difficulty spike in the lower (Bronze and Silver) difficulties, which is what everyone who was complaining about the new difficulty was talking about, Bronze and Silver.

Sweet justification. And it's good to know the Devs still have our back.

I hope they'll also regard the credit issue too, for the sake of new/casual players and their manifests. 

Modifié par Rockpopple, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:51 .

[Fawx9]

Xaijin wrote...

1. "Newers" need to learn to effectively combat the new units before complaining about them.

2. Gold and Platinum should stay as they are.

3. Bronze should be easy.

4. Silver should be moderate.

5. People should not expect a multiplayer game to stay completely static over the course of its lifetime, because people will stop playing it. This is not a supposition, it's a fact, borne out by tons and tons and tons of data.

Multiplayer doesn't have to stay static but it cant kill progression. Especially when the core fanbase comes from the rpg aspect and what comes with that is a sense of progresssing you character.

By forcing people down levels you start to neuter their progression in multiplayer.

Sure you can argue that one shouldn't be playing solely for the credits, but credits are still an important part. They are the part of the carrot on the stick the BW gave so that players have something to look forward to after their 1-2 hours of efforts.

If all a player is getting now is uncommon ammo packs, when they used to get a solid shot at rare upgrades its no surprise they'd be upset.

[scheherazade]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

People are always quick to point out enemy buffs, but ignore enemy nerfs.

Has anyone noticed how the Atlas can be staggered by gunfire now?

He always did get staggered by gun fire.

No, this only started happening after Retaliation.

IIRC I was using kroguard charge to interrupt atlas rocket launches since before retaliation.

-scheherazade

Modifié par scheherazade, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:53 .

[DarthSliver]

Yeah i am going i say i see the spike, never before did i have to use medigel on Silver when i played. Usually was able to go into a silver game with knowing id be gaining instead of losing medigel but I will admit like most of my friends have. This spike is muched welcome to me mostly because Collectors are really the only faction i dread to face on even silver setting. When I see it says Collectors I know crap is going down and I am going to need to use my medigel.

[Clearly Balkan]

Once again BSN whiners are ruining this game.

PLATINUM DIFFICULTY should be super hard.
It's expected from one to use Mark 10 weapon, Mark 5 equipment/gear & Mark 3 or 4 Ammo.

Stop WHINING.

[Beerfish]

Playing a fair bit on bronze and silver for me the only thing that needs to be addressed is the collectors on those two levels and perhaps one boss spawn on extraction. I can't speak for gold and plat players but I would assume they would like the extra challenge. 

Edit:  Oh and though one can extract on bronze and silver just about as often as before the use of consummables to do so is way up.

Modifié par Beerfish, 16 octobre 2012 - 09:02 .

[QuantumString]

JAMiAM wrote...

Bioware, please do not overcorrect with reducing the difficulty. Yes, the game did get a little more difficult with the last patch, and the release of the Retaliation DLC, but that is a good thing.

People really should dial their pride back a notch or two, and realize that they might just need to dial down their difficulty levels if they can't play at the same levels they had gotten used to. New enemy types, new hazard conditions, and new map layouts require a learning curve. Suck it up, and learn the new tactics you might need to adopt, in order to consistently survive, at a lower level.

+1

[Nitrocuban]

gold/plat got hit not so hard, but silver is really harder now. And that is the problem that makes people leave ME3 MP for good.

[Alijah Green]

upinya slayin wrote...

Other then the collectors being the most brutal faction, I didn't notice any change in the other 3?
What do they mean by spike in difficulty?

what is so hard about the collectors seems like a cake walk to me.

[Deathcrave]

The difficulty being increased is just terrible. On a side note I had never solo'd gold until now so at least there is that.

Silver is as hard if not harder than gold though, which is dumb.

People sayng the game being harder is a good thing need to go try to solo if they want a challenge.
I would bet most of them cant even solo a silver game let alone gold yet they want it to be harder? what a joke.

If you cant regularly contribute at least 50-60k points on gold dont bother saying the game needs to be harder. 90% of the players I run across lately cant score above 30k, which is sad seeing I am not that great and I average 60k points a game on gold.

I love a challenge but it shouldnt be forced on everyone, thus silver needs to be returned to the way it was. Platinum can remain the hardmode, and if it still isnt enough for you go try soloing it. Still not enough tie 1 arm behind your back and try again. Before you ask for the game to be harder be creative and make it harder yourself to challenge yourself.