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dreamgazer wrote...

Definitely more Vorcha. 

And I got attached to the idea of the mystery figure in the screenshot being an important salarian---Kirrahe, Maelon, Jondum Bau, or perhaps an outside character who's sure to be alive. 

Maelon is on Omega right now...
He keeps E-Maelon me...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .


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Pity.

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Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.

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Boooooooooo.

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robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.


They are not "all dead"...
That's stupid...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:55 .


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AresKeith wrote...

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....Why is this even a issue? This is starting to seem like reaching for something to complain about now.


Umm no, when the MP team spend months coding in a new enemy faction, you would assume they make an appearance in the SP

This does seem like reaching for something to complain about. It's not like adding Collectors to the Omega dlc is going to add to the story or gameplay since they're just a enemy type that was pretty much explored in ME 2. The only interesting thing about having them would be hearing Javik or the Virmire Survivor's dialog on them and thats about it.

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Bill Casey wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Definitely more Vorcha. 

And I got attached to the idea of the mystery figure in the screenshot being an important salarian---Kirrahe, Maelon, Jondum Bau, or perhaps an outside character who's sure to be alive. 

....
He keeps E-Maelon me...


terrible - just terrible  ..  Image IPB

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Bill Casey wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.


They are not "all dead"...
That's stupid...

So what exactly was the point of ME 2 again?  A way to spend some money supporting BioWare/EA?  I played it with the understanding that I destroyed the Collectors, and their base, since that's what I chose to do, only to load a nonimport game to find out that it defaults to me being a Cerberus lap dog, and giving TIM the base.  So now we have to retcon that to I didn't kill the Collectors too?  So what was the point of even going through the Omega 4 Relay?  You can be butthurt that you don't get to fight Collectors if you wish, but don't pretend that it's anything but calling for a retcon that renders ME 2 completely pointless.

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That's good. The Collector's were destroyed in ME2, and therefore should'nt be anywhere near SP in ME3. I'm sure there were a very few of them that might've been scattered in the galaxy, but most likely not enough to gather an army with. Also with the Reapers in the galaxy, there's no need for the Collector's anymore.

They're a near extinct race by the start of ME3.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .


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We blew up one ship and one base...
The Reapers couldn't even wipe out their creators, and they were much more thorough than that...
Each Oculus is made from a Collector Drone, and they are all over Mass Effect 3...


The Prothean Empire spanned the galaxy. The Reapers couldn't make a reaper out of them. To have them all fit onto one base and one ship is ludicrous...

Not to mention Mordin saying they were cloned and lost intelligence over several generations...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:59 .


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robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.

The people complaining are those who wanted the collectors in SP, not those who were against it. I'm quite content with them being left out. Though I'll admit having them for MP but not SP seems like a waste of a new enemy. Getting different enemy to fight again would have been an intresting change of pace.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:02 .


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robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.


Mmmm.  Do you see the efforts they go to in MP to include it in canon?  The entire MP experience is based around fighting the war at the same time that Shepard's doing his thing.  Hackett sends reports all the time.  To include the Collectors there but maintain their extinction in ME2 seems counter-productive.

But okay.  Say MP isn't canon.  You blew up one ship.  Seems like your complaint with ME2 becoming useless would be with how they developed the story and not with the practicality that the entire Collector race was all there when the ship went boom.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 16 octobre 2012 - 06:58 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

We blew up one ship and one base...
The Reapers couldn't even wipe out their creators, and they were much more thorough than that...
Each Oculus is made from a Collector Drone, and they are all over Mass Effect 3...


The Oculus in ME3 weren't built and piloted by the Collectors. The Collector's got that technology from the Reapers which is why they had a few of them in ME2.

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Sad face. I wasn't expecting them to be in Omega dlc but no collectors ever? Awwww...

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.


Mmmm.  Do you see the efforts they go to in MP to include it in canon?  The entire MP experience is based around fighting the war at the same time that Shepard's doing his thing.  Hackett sends reports all the time.  To include the Collectors there but maintain their extinction in ME2 seems counter-productive.

But okay.  Say MP isn't canon.  You blew up one ship.  Seems like your complaint with ME2 becoming useless would be with how they developed the story and not with the practicality that the entire Collector race was all there when the ship went boom.


It wasn't a ship it was their base and home. Collector's don't have a home planet.

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Well, they did say they'll justify it with blog post canon. <_<

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I guess that's what the blog will be for, but I wish Bioware would flat out say their reasoning for bringing Collectors back. It was my understanding that with the suicide mission we completely wiped out the collectors, if they were in fact other bases past the Omega 4 relay why didn't we just hit those as well? Why would they even need other bases anyway, all the debris showed that even if they got in, most ships failed to navigate or were destroyed. With natural defenses like that what would the need be for other bases?

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

The Oculus in ME3 weren't built and
piloted by the Collectors. The Collector's got that technology from the
Reapers which is why they had a few of them in ME2.

They don't pilot the Oculus, they are the Oculus...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 octobre 2012 - 07:04 .


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RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Well, they did say they'll justify it with blog post canon. <_<


Oh i'm sure they will, cause you know, writers.

Why the F would Harbinger even bother gathering whatever remaining Collector's are out there to attack Organics? That makes no sense. Not only are the Reapers themselves in the Galaxy, but they have their own endless supply of ground troops with the Husks. The entire purpose of the Collector's was to harvest Humans to create a Human Reaper for whatever reason. But that obviously went nowhere, and most of the Collectors got destroyed in the process.

Harbinger is an idiot.

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Walters: Right now, the short answer is no.

"Right now, the short answer is no." sounds like the answer might change if there's enough demand for it...



Lol Bioware is so incredibly tricky with their wording.

Personally, I'll wait and see. "Right now, the short answer is no." may very well mean that he can't say anything until the trailer and more info is released later on.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Harbinger is an idiot.


Now, now. To be fair the Reapers as a whole got hit with the idiot stick in this game..

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Bill Casey wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

The Oculus in ME3 weren't built and
piloted by the Collectors. The Collector's got that technology from the
Reapers which is why they had a few of them in ME2.

They don't pilot the Oculus, they are the Oculus...


They pilot the Oculus. The method for how a Collector or Husk pilots an Oculi is very crude sure, and it becomes their entire existance from that point on, but they still control it from there on out.

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The people going "well I'm glad they went extinct then" are in denial, or using headcanon. This doesn't mean they died in ME2, it means there were survivors and they exist, you'll just never see them in game. So unless you want to headcanon it, the collectors are alive and kicking. Not using them is disturbing.

As for these news, I'm not suprised, Bioware always give disappointing news because using popular ideas that everyone would like would challenge their artistic vision. Their idea of giving "Harbinger fans" closure was to put him in a damn trailer, and nothing else, I hope no one is actually satisfied because of that trailer.

But thanks for saying it before Omega DLC, it will save a lot of people money.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Wait... Now everyone's mad because they aren't retconning playing ME 2 to worthlessness? It was bad enough that TIM got the base despite me telling him to take a long walk on a short pier, thus ruining my only good moustache twirling moment to TIM when I finally get to leave Cerberus in the dust, now people are complaining that they didn't/haven't retconned destroying the Collectors too? I don't give a rat's ass what enemies they fight in MP, it doesn't affect my SP game. Adding the Collector's to ME 3 simply means that playing ME 2 would be a complete waste of time since, no matter what, the Collectors and the Base survive no matter what you do.

Just say no to Collectors in ME 3 SP, they are dead, and should stay that way.


Mmmm.  Do you see the efforts they go to in MP to include it in canon?  The entire MP experience is based around fighting the war at the same time that Shepard's doing his thing.  Hackett sends reports all the time.  To include the Collectors there but maintain their extinction in ME2 seems counter-productive.

But okay.  Say MP isn't canon.  You blew up one ship.  Seems like your complaint with ME2 becoming useless would be with how they developed the story and not with the practicality that the entire Collector race was all there when the ship went boom.


It wasn't a ship it was their base and home. Collector's don't have a home planet.


Even if it is their home base its still stupid to say every collector was on the base, and the Reapers could still clone them

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The collectors can be constantly recreated from the processor ships not only that but the collectors have been around for 50 thousand years and they have more then one base or one ship to think you killed them all by destroying the one base is absurdity and insanity at most