D'you ever try and stop the Reapers? Make them just stop what they're doing instead of Destroying/Synthesizing with them? Just pick Control ya dummy! Why didn't you think of that??
Why don't Refusers pick Control?
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teh DRUMPf!!
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:39
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This is a rule that you can't live without if you want to stay in school...
D'you ever try and stop the Reapers? Make them just stop what they're doing instead of Destroying/Synthesizing with them? Just pick Control ya dummy! Why didn't you think of that??
D'you ever try and stop the Reapers? Make them just stop what they're doing instead of Destroying/Synthesizing with them? Just pick Control ya dummy! Why didn't you think of that??
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:49
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Because they hate the Reapers and want them destroyed not controlled. Control still leaves the Reapers and worse yet there is peace like synthesis. They want all of them to pay for crimes that they had no control over because the Catalyst controls their will but they want to kill them on their own terms. Since they can't get the conventional victory they want, they pick conventional defeat and to pretend the next cycle didn't use the Crucible so their prideful suicide was not in vain.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:53
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A refuser obviously doesn't believe a word the starkid is saying.
Why would they then choose control?
Why would they then choose control?
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:54
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... so Control them to lose, if possible.
At least you're trying something.
At least you're trying something.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:55
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"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:55
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Foxhound2121 wrote...
A refuser obviously doesn't believe a word the starkid is saying.
Why would they then choose control?
What do you have to lose, the galaxy? Moot point, they'll be screwed either way if it's BS, so...
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:57
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dreamgazer wrote...
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
So we let an already-established tyrant continue holding power?
What's the worst case scenario, everyone dies? Doesn't stop Refuse anyway, so...
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:57
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
Foxhound2121 wrote...
A refuser obviously doesn't believe a word the starkid is saying.
Why would they then choose control?
What do you have to lose, the galaxy? Moot point, they'll be screwed either way if it's BS, so...
Thats the point
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:57
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You don't get it. Refusers aren't trying to win the game, just play the game with their own rules and conditions. They consider using the Crucible acquiescing to the Catalyst and not having victory on their own terms. They don't care about trying to win.
Refusers are like the Nords of Skyrim. They have to have everything according to their code of honor and stuff. Which includes dying with honor.
Refusers are like the Nords of Skyrim. They have to have everything according to their code of honor and stuff. Which includes dying with honor.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 04:59
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Why would you want to be the next catalyst? Refusing these choices in favor of choosing your own choice is a good thing.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:01
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But unlike Refusers, the Nords actually can win.silentassassin264 wrote...
You don't get it. Refusers aren't trying to win the game, just play the game with their own rules and conditions. They consider using the Crucible acquiescing to the Catalyst and not having victory on their own terms. They don't care about trying to win.
Refusers are like the Nords of Skyrim. They have to have everything according to their code of honor and stuff. Which includes dying with honor.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:02
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Q: Why don't Refusers pick Control?
A: I.... don't know.
A: I.... don't know.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:03
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BS. The Aldemeri Dominion would curbstomp them. They are outnumbered and outmagicked. Ondolomar put it quite simply when he described it as a simply a calm between storms. The Thalmor never had to surrender as they were winning the entire time.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:05
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
Foxhound2121 wrote...
A refuser obviously doesn't believe a word the starkid is saying.
Why would they then choose control?
What do you have to lose, the galaxy? Moot point, they'll be screwed either way if it's BS, so...
They believe all the other options are already a loss or a trick, so they refuse to even choose. At least then there is a chance next time.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:06
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AresKeith wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
What do you have to lose, the galaxy? Moot point, they'll be screwed either way if it's BS, so...
Thats the point
I must be missing the point then. The way I see it, you're better off trying and failing than just letting yourself fail.
Again, at least you tried. JMO!
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:06
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I have no idea but that picture is fantastic!
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:09
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DavidMW wrote...
Why would you want to be the next catalyst?
Because if you're content on letting the whole galaxy die anyway, there's no downside to control.
Refusing these choices in favor of choosing your own choice is a good thing.
Okay. I've never thought losing a war to ever be "a good thing," but to each their own.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:09
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I just meant against the Empire; the Thalmor are a whole different ballgame.silentassassin264 wrote...
BS. The Aldemeri Dominion would curbstomp them. They are outnumbered and outmagicked. Ondolomar put it quite simply when he described it as a simply a calm between storms. The Thalmor never had to surrender as they were winning the entire time.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:11
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Many refusers completely hate the ending and it is very satisfying to tell the kid to f' himself. The ending is broken and i refuse it.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:13
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This Reaper Tech tingles...
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:16
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
What do you have to lose, the galaxy? Moot point, they'll be screwed either way if it's BS, so...
Thats the point
I must be missing the point then. The way I see it, you're better off trying and failing than just letting yourself fail.
Again, at least you tried. JMO!
Trying with those options are a trick to a refuser. If you watch the refusal ending, Liara makes it clear that they built the curcible, but it didn't work. Hence to assume that it is pointless to make and to try something else perhaps or warn them.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:18
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Lurker 2277 wrote...
Many refusers completely hate the ending and it is very satisfying to tell the kid to f' himself. The ending is broken and i refuse it.
Ah yes, the "I'm rejecting the ending" argument.
That's just weak. =\\
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:18
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
... so Control them to lose, if possible.
At least you're trying something.
.... how is Refuse "not trying something"? Isn't it a conventional attempt to defeat the Reapers? Doesn't that involve... effort?
Sure, they lose, but Shep has no crystal ball.
If you're speaking from a metagaming perspective, I would suppose one would pick Refuse as a way to say "f you" to the endings.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:20
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Foxhound2121 wrote...
Trying with those options are a trick to a refuser. If you watch the refusal ending, Liara makes it clear that they built the curcible, but it didn't work. Hence to assume that it is pointless to make and to try something else perhaps or warn them.
Pretty ironic argument. Para!Shep guilt trips TIM about staking humanity's existence on Control working as he thinks.
But apparently, same rules don't apply the other way around.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 05:21
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Almostfaceman wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
... so Control them to lose, if possible.
At least you're trying something.
.... how is Refuse "not trying something"? Isn't it a conventional attempt to defeat the Reapers? Doesn't that involve... effort?
Sure, they lose, but Shep has no crystal ball.
If you're speaking from a metagaming perspective, I would suppose one would pick Refuse as a way to say "f you" to the endings.
Hackett tells you that they are losing everywhere. The Catalyst tells you when you first say you won't use the crucible when he talks about destroy that you are outnumbered and have no chance to win. Shepard knows that the result of refuse is dooming the entire cycle. It does not require metagaming.
