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[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

DrGunjah wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Power does not inheritly corrupt. That would mean everyone with power is corrupt.

the world you live in proves it.

Sure , every government in the world is polic state.

that was not the statement. the statement was "power corrupts".
If you can't see the corruption in the world or how power has corrupted people in history, I can't help you.
Though this is not the right place here to discuss this topic, so I won't make any further comments about it.

 I'm not saying it's
not their. I'm just saying that  Power does not inherently corrupt. In this world no matter where you look there are idiots. Their will always be bad
workers, managers, police officers, politics and so on....That does not mean no
one should have power, that just means what ever system we make will inherently
be flawed. That the reason why the catalyst failed at what it did, it could not
understand that being that it is a shackled AI.

You're Shepard AI understands this. What does thatmean....It means the Shepard AI is free to set up any system is wish...Includingone where all life governs it self. The issue with power corrupting has nothing
to do with power....It has everything with the person in power. If that person
fight to make sure the system they make does not become an absolute state,
there will be no problem.



Understand this...the death of governments is indifference.
No matter where you look in history before a government falls under its own power it becomes of indifference. That is what causes corruption.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:26 .

[M Hedonist]

Seival wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why don't Refusers pick Control? 

Power comes with responsibility. And absolute power comes with absolute responsibility.

Refuser-Shepard clearly isn't ready for absolute responsibility... And still responsible for the deaths of the trillions of people, which Refuser-Shepard just Refuse to admit in last seconds of his life.

I'm pretty sure the fighting forces and scientists I've gathered throughout ME don't need a shepherd who is "responsible" for them.

[dreman9999]

Shinnyshin wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

This is a rpg. You are Shepard. You choose how he acts, thinks, his beliefs, and moraly. You are Shepard. Please don't say that bs that you are not.

What he /she does is up to you.

Also, I not say control is the best choice to make. I'm saying it's the choice that has the lease sacrifices to make. Even my mean Shepard did not pick control. I'm just say the worse choice to make is refuse. All I'm saying is that if you can't kill off the geth, bite the bullet can carry the gallexy on you back...That better then letting the entire galexy die becasue you can't get over your ego.

You really seem to be missing the point.  Or possibly trolling, but I'd hate to throw around words like that if you're genuinely confused.

Yes, I control what sort of person my Shepard is.  But this is VERY clear: Shepard is not necessarily me.  Commander Shepard is not Sam, the gamer with access to all the plot tips, spoilers, and foreknowledge on what the best/worst decisions are.  Shepard is a character I've constructed with as consistent or inconsistent beliefs as I choose.

To make character decisions because of player knowledge is called metagaming.  It's something some people do, and that's fine.  But many, many people make decisions from the perspective of their characters.  Some people have a take-no-prisoners, super-renegade, fight-to-the-death Shepard.  Would you expect that character to choose "Control" or "Synthesize"?

It seems you have no separation between player and character, which is prompting this...vehement assertion that a decision is "right" or "wrong" because of the cutscene that follows.  That's fine.  But remember that not everyone operates like that.  In fact, many, many RPG players carefully avoid what you're doing.  Picking the "wrong" decision because it's the right decision for your game sometimes hurts like a gut-punch--ESPECIALLY when we intentionally deny ourselves good quest rewards.  And we know.  But we have to do it.

I'm sorry. Shepard does nothing with out he gamer. Shepard is the player...Or more accuratly, the player becomes Shepard. Do try to hide behind a stament that Shepard is differnt....This is bs. You are Shepard. Shepard is not a different person form you.

The entire idea of roleplaying games is to play a role.

[DrGunjah]

Seival wrote...
Yes, you already are responsible for trillions since ME1. And somehow Refuser-Shepard forgets about that to feed his own (and only his own) pride. Such person never was and never will be ready for absolute responsibility...

You are speculating about people's intentions. Which is not needed, because refusers actually tell you why they choose refuse. But you ignore this and claim to better know what their intention was. Well how should we argue against that?

You can make a derp shepard for every ending choice:
Refuser shepard only feeds his pride.
Destroy shepard is a synthetics hater.
Control shepard is a hyprocrite.
Synthesis shepard is shortsighted.
(note that these statements are not implicitly my opinion, but just there to point out something)

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why don't Refusers pick Control? 

Power comes with responsibility. And absolute power comes with absolute responsibility.

Refuser-Shepard clearly isn't ready for absolute responsibility... And still responsible for the deaths of the trillions of people, which Refuser-Shepard just Refuse to admit in last seconds of his life.

I'm pretty sure the fighting forces and scientists I've gathered throughout ME don't need a shepherd who is "responsible" for them.

Why do you think they fallowed Shepard into this battle?

Sorry but Shepard is the icon of the entire galexies forces.

[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

Seival wrote...
Yes, you already are responsible for trillions since ME1. And somehow Refuser-Shepard forgets about that to feed his own (and only his own) pride. Such person never was and never will be ready for absolute responsibility...

You are speculating about people's intentions. Which is not needed, because refusers actually tell you why they choose refuse. But you ignore this and claim to better know what their intention was. Well how should we argue against that?

You can make a derp shepard for every ending choice:
Refuser shepard only feeds his pride.
Destroy shepard is a synthetics hater.
Control shepard is a hyprocrite.
Synthesis shepard is shortsighted.
(note that these statements are not implicitly my opinion, but just there to point out something)

But what other reason would anyone let everyone they know and love die just becasue they don't want to choose?

[Shinnyshin]

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry. Shepard does nothing with out he gamer. Shepard is the player...Or more accuratly, the player becomes Shepard. Do try to hide behind a stament that Shepard is differnt....This is bs. You are Shepard. Shepard is not a different person form you.

The entire idea of roleplaying games is to play a role.

This is going nowhere.  A pleasure talking to you and I wish you the best of luck in your future gaming endeavors.

[DrGunjah]

dreman9999 wrote...
But what other reason would anyone let everyone they know and love die just becasue they don't want to choose?

I really don't feel like repeating this stuff again and again.
Just to name one: holokid can not be trusted.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why don't Refusers pick Control? 

Power comes with responsibility. And absolute power comes with absolute responsibility.

Refuser-Shepard clearly isn't ready for absolute responsibility... And still responsible for the deaths of the trillions of people, which Refuser-Shepard just Refuse to admit in last seconds of his life.

I'm pretty sure the fighting forces and scientists I've gathered throughout ME don't need a shepherd who is "responsible" for them.

Why do you think they fallowed Shepard into this battle?

Sorry but Shepard is the icon of the entire galexies forces.

He is just a human. And he goes into battle - even though he could very well die any moment. He is not space jesus. Neither is he the shepherd of this galaxy.
My Shepard has united the galaxy. I have confidence the galaxy won't just crumble apart the moment he isn't there to babysit them. I have confidence the galaxy will find a way to persevere, to preserve itself.
That is the philosophy behind Refuse. (At least, to me.)

[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
But what other reason would anyone let everyone they know and love die just becasue they don't want to choose?

I really don't feel like repeating this stuff again and again.
Just to name one: holokid can not be trusted.

And as it was said before...It's clear he was not lieing about the results of refuse. You understand you going into a loop here.

Saying he is lieing and then finding out he statements come true does not mean he is lieing.

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Why don't Refusers pick Control? 

Power comes with responsibility. And absolute power comes with absolute responsibility.

Refuser-Shepard clearly isn't ready for absolute responsibility... And still responsible for the deaths of the trillions of people, which Refuser-Shepard just Refuse to admit in last seconds of his life.

I'm pretty sure the fighting forces and scientists I've gathered throughout ME don't need a shepherd who is "responsible" for them.

Why do you think they fallowed Shepard into this battle?

Sorry but Shepard is the icon of the entire galexies forces.

He is just a human. And he goes into battle - even though he could very well die any moment. He is not space jesus. Neither is he the shepherd of this galaxy.
My Shepard has united the galaxy. I have confidence the galaxy won't just crumble apart the moment he isn't there to babysit them. I have confidence the galaxy will find a way to persevere, to preserve itself.
That is the philosophy behind Refuse. (At least, to me.)

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

[DrGunjah]

dreman9999 wrote...
And as it was said before...It's clear he was not lieing about the results of refuse. You understand you going into a loop here.

Saying he is lieing and then finding out he statements come true does not mean he is lieing.

What is your point? Shepard has to make a choice based on the information he has after talking to holoboy. He either believes him or he doesn't. When not believing him, refuse is a consequent choice.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

[Davik Kang]

DrGunjah wrote...
What is your point? Shepard has to make a choice based on the information he has after talking to holoboy. He either believes him or he doesn't. When not believing him, refuse is a consequent choice.

If you don't believe the Kid, why wouldn't you pick Destroy?  He's the only one who said Destroy would harm your allies.

If you mean that Destroy is just another option presented by this lying kid, why is Refuse better?  What do you thnk will happen if you pick refuse?  Not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know so I can understand your point.

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And as it was said before...It's clear he was not lieing about the results of refuse. You understand you going into a loop here.

Saying he is lieing and then finding out he statements come true does not mean he is lieing.

What is your point? Shepard has to make a choice based on the information he has after talking to holoboy. He either believes him or he doesn't. When not believing him, refuse is a consequent choice.

The issue on hand is that of risks and trust. He may not fully trust the catalyst but he can't risk the galexy  being killed  off because he refused.. It's that consept alone that devaluse the refuse choice. He can't risk the galexy on the fact that refusing the catalyst means it's death.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

The galexy would not even have a way to fight back with out it's icon. There would be no allied forces. The next cycle would not even be able to defeat the reapers with out Shepards actions.
Sorry, the galexy may not revole around Shepard, but Shepard is the unremovable center of success of the race ageinst the reapers, this cycle and the next.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

The galexy would not even have a way to fight back with out it's icon. There would be no allied forces. The next cycle would not even be able to defeat the reapers with out Shepards actions.
Sorry, the galexy may not revole around Shepard, but Shepard is the unremovable center of success of the race ageinst the reapers, this cycle and the next.

Of course there would still be allied forces! You're talking as if Shep is the grand general of the entire galaxy. No, even a general would be succeeded by somebody else after death.
I can't take you seriously. I mean, are you implying the Krogans - and everybody else - would suddenly surrender? If Shep truly is that deity you're making him out to be, they would do no such thing - as that would be disrespectful towards him. Shep's actions will live on, he won't just be forgotten. Either way, the galaxy will fight on.
Your notion that the entire galaxy will break apart the moment Shepard dies is simply ridiculous.
Also, purely theoretical.

Modifié par Sauruz, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .

[DrGunjah]

Davik Kang wrote...

DrGunjah wrote...
What is your point? Shepard has to make a choice based on the information he has after talking to holoboy. He either believes him or he doesn't. When not believing him, refuse is a consequent choice.

If you don't believe the Kid, why wouldn't you pick Destroy?  He's the only one who said Destroy would harm your allies.

If you mean that Destroy is just another option presented by this lying kid, why is Refuse better?  What do you thnk will happen if you pick refuse?  Not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know so I can understand your point.

Maybe he tells the truth, maybe he lies about all choices or he just lies about on or more choices.
I don't know. But I know the reaper boss was able to prepare the citadel for this moment. He created the three choices.
From shepards point of view(maybe even if metagaming) it doesn't make sense, that the reapers are able to change the purpose of the crucible but still let destroy be an option. It doesn't answer it's purpose to preserve organic life at all cost. The Catalyst even states that destroy is not a real solution because it is temporary. For a VI it would be much more logical to hide destroy (and maybe even control) from shepard. A VI does not have emotions, the reapers can not get "tired" of their cycle, they just be. They will always choose the lesser evil, like the geth did when they collaboreted with the reapers. It would be even more logical to keep on firing at the crucible after it has been attached. So I think it's more likely he lies than he stopped using logic. So I don't trust him.

edit: to answer your question about "what will happen at refuse": The first time I watched the refuse ending I was so excited when I heard the "SO BE IT" phrase... I thought "HA! got you bastard!" but then I saw the ending how it is. Quite frustrating but that's another issue - bioware not giving the refuse ending the presentation it deserves.

Modifié par DrGunjah, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:38 .

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

The galexy would not even have a way to fight back with out it's icon. There would be no allied forces. The next cycle would not even be able to defeat the reapers with out Shepards actions.
Sorry, the galexy may not revole around Shepard, but Shepard is the unremovable center of success of the race ageinst the reapers, this cycle and the next.

Of course there would still be allied forces! You're talking as if Shep is the grand general of the entire galaxy. No, even a general would be succeeded by somebody else after death.
I can't take you seriously. I mean, are you implying the Krogans - and everybody else - would suddenly surrender? If Shep truly is that deity you're making him out to be, they would do no such thing - as that would be disrespectful towards him. Shep's actions will live on, he won't just be forgotten. Either way, the galaxy will fight on.
Your notion that the entire galaxy will break apart the moment Shepard dies is simply ridiculous.
Also, purely theoretical.

No, they would not be any allied forces. The council did no end kno wwhat to do. The salarian families in power where pressering the Delatrass in charge not to get in the war. The qurians were doing their own thing.The krogan had no fleet. The turians were backed into a wall. And the Asari did not even know where to start with this war. Heck, the meeting with the races leaders would not even happen with out Shepard.

Sorry, but no Shepard equal no allied forces. Shepard is the backbone of the allied forces. They would not surrender but they would not be fights as one nor have a chance to even bet the reapers.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[dreman9999]

DrGunjah wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

DrGunjah wrote...
What is your point? Shepard has to make a choice based on the information he has after talking to holoboy. He either believes him or he doesn't. When not believing him, refuse is a consequent choice.

If you don't believe the Kid, why wouldn't you pick Destroy?  He's the only one who said Destroy would harm your allies.

If you mean that Destroy is just another option presented by this lying kid, why is Refuse better?  What do you thnk will happen if you pick refuse?  Not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know so I can understand your point.

Maybe he tells the truth, maybe he lies about all choices or he just lies about on or more choices.
I don't know. But I know the reaper boss was able to prepare the citadel for this moment. He created the three choices.
From shepards point of view(maybe even if metagaming) it doesn't make sense, that the reapers are able to change the purpose of the crucible but still let destroy be an option. It doesn't answer it's purpose to preserve organic life at all cost. The Catalyst even states that destroy is not a real solution because it is temporary. For a VI it would be much more logical to hide destroy (and maybe even control) from shepard. A VI does not have emotions, the reapers can not get "tired" of their cycle, they just be. They will always choose the lesser evil, like the geth did when they collaboreted with the reapers. It would be even more logical to keep on firing at the crucible after it has been attached. So I think it's more likely he lies than he stopped using logic. So I don't trust him.

1. The catalyst is an AI.
2. aI's have emotion.
3. The issue here is what it wants.The fact of the matter is figuring that out and the thing that the catalyst points out is that is does nto want war. It does not care for winning or losing.

4. The catalyst is also a shackled AI.

5. You can't risk having the galeyx killed off by refusing he choices on hand.

[M Hedonist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

The galexy would not even have a way to fight back with out it's icon. There would be no allied forces. The next cycle would not even be able to defeat the reapers with out Shepards actions.
Sorry, the galexy may not revole around Shepard, but Shepard is the unremovable center of success of the race ageinst the reapers, this cycle and the next.

Of course there would still be allied forces! You're talking as if Shep is the grand general of the entire galaxy. No, even a general would be succeeded by somebody else after death.
I can't take you seriously. I mean, are you implying the Krogans - and everybody else - would suddenly surrender? If Shep truly is that deity you're making him out to be, they would do no such thing - as that would be disrespectful towards him. Shep's actions will live on, he won't just be forgotten. Either way, the galaxy will fight on.
Your notion that the entire galaxy will break apart the moment Shepard dies is simply ridiculous.
Also, purely theoretical.

No, they would not be any allied forces. The council did not end no what to do. The salarian families in power where pressering the Delatrass in charge not to get in the were. The qurians were doing there own thing.The krogan had no fleet. The turians were backed into a wall.And the Asari did not even know where to start with this war. Heck, the meeting with the races leaders would not even happen with out Shepard.

Sorry, but no Shepard equal no allied forces. Shepard is the backbone of the allied forces. They would not surrender but they would not be fights as one nor have a chance to even bet the reapers.

But Shep already did all of that. None of that would unhappen when he dies. The allied forces wouldn't suddenly become unallied. Going back to my previous example, the Krogans joined because the genophage was cured - not because Shepard did it.
This argument cannot have a winner. Your argument is purely theoretical. The only real evidence is the Stargazer scene - and that can be interpreted in multiple ways. I say Shepard will be remembered because of his actions, you say he will remembered because he was an "icon".

[DeathWingKingUltimate]

If there was an option to Ram the reapers into the sun maybe i considered it...

[dreman9999]

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So? Being just a person does nto mean everyone is not putting there hope into you. It's clear that they are. No matter how you cut it...Shepard is an icon of the entire galexy, even Javik sees this...This is clear with the star gazer scene.

The galaxy was united through Shepard's actions, not because he is the chosen one or something. The Krogans joined up because Shep helped curing the genophage, not because he's a swell guy. And the genophage will remain cured long after Shep's gone.
Did you know there's a unique Stargazer scene if you pick Refuse? Shepard will be remembered for his actions either way.

Because the galexy was united by Shepard's actions He/she became an icon by the galexy. You don't get this? That's why he/she is an icon.

And my point even includes the refuse ending too. Shepard still is an icon then. Shepard's actions make him/her an icon.

And my point is that the galaxy won't crumble apart without an "icon".

The galexy would not even have a way to fight back with out it's icon. There would be no allied forces. The next cycle would not even be able to defeat the reapers with out Shepards actions.
Sorry, the galexy may not revole around Shepard, but Shepard is the unremovable center of success of the race ageinst the reapers, this cycle and the next.

Of course there would still be allied forces! You're talking as if Shep is the grand general of the entire galaxy. No, even a general would be succeeded by somebody else after death.
I can't take you seriously. I mean, are you implying the Krogans - and everybody else - would suddenly surrender? If Shep truly is that deity you're making him out to be, they would do no such thing - as that would be disrespectful towards him. Shep's actions will live on, he won't just be forgotten. Either way, the galaxy will fight on.
Your notion that the entire galaxy will break apart the moment Shepard dies is simply ridiculous.
Also, purely theoretical.

No, they would not be any allied forces. The council did not end no what to do. The salarian families in power where pressering the Delatrass in charge not to get in the were. The qurians were doing there own thing.The krogan had no fleet. The turians were backed into a wall.And the Asari did not even know where to start with this war. Heck, the meeting with the races leaders would not even happen with out Shepard.

Sorry, but no Shepard equal no allied forces. Shepard is the backbone of the allied forces. They would not surrender but they would not be fights as one nor have a chance to even bet the reapers.

But Shep already did all of that. None of that would unhappen when he dies. The allied forces wouldn't suddenly become unallied. Going back to my previous example, the Krogans joined because the genophage was cured - not because Shepard did it.
This argument cannot have a winner. Your argument is purely theoretical. The only real evidence is the Stargazer scene - and that can be interpreted in multiple ways. I say Shepard will be remembered because of his actions, you say he will remembered because he was an "icon".

Listen, the fact that he allied them makes him an Icon. His actions make him an Icon. Every iconic hero is an icon becasue of the deeds they do. You seem not to get this.

Sure, the Krogon join because the Genophagewas cured...But the person that made sure it happen was Shepard...They inheritly will see Shepard as an icon because of this. Hence why living icon are icon because of their actions.