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[Xilizhra]

The slides are the immediate aftermath. Project 200 years into the future.

That would be the Stargazer scene, where things seem basically fine too.

[AdmiralCheez]

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be the Stargazer scene, where things seem basically fine too.

It's two people standing on an unknown planet with little to no context.

Also, it's terrible.  Like Tali's "face."

[Ravensword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

That would be the Stargazer scene, where things seem basically fine too.

It's two people standing on an unknown planet with little to no context.

Also, it's terrible.  Like Tali's "face."

Hey, they worked hard on that photoshop! I'm sure a whole five minutes were put into it.

Of course. They had to do more important things like rendering an IGN employee's face into the game. Aller's face needed to look good... oh, wait.

[CosmicGnosis]

Davik Kang wrote...

Nice topic, interesting stuff. Apologies for the lack of contribution to the discussion. This is little more than a troll post. But with lack of a universal 'Like' feature on this forum (w/o being someone's forum friend) I'll just support it this way instead. GGs

Glad someone liked it.

I'm just trying to make sense of what BioWare's intentions are with Synthesis. For example, look at this quote from the leaked script:

"Shepard must now make his final decision - to control the Reapers, to destroy the Reapers, or if they had a perfect game to become one with the Reapers."

Did they really intend for Synthesis to be the best ending? If so... why? What statement are they making with this choice?

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 18 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[AdmiralCheez]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Did they really intend for Synthesis to be the best ending? If so... why? What statement are they making with this choice?

I have three theories:

1. Surprise ending inspired by Deus Ex so they can be like the cool kids.

2. Either Mac or Casey had a vision of what they wanted ME3 to be, and it clashed with what the rest of the series told us.  Like the child, it's forcefully injected symbolism.  Apparently, someone at Bioware thinks that the only way to truly understand a thing is to become that thing... or they have a fetish for metaphysical shenanigans.

3. They knew fans would want a sunshine and bunnies ending, but they wanted it to be more than "hero saves the day and rides off into the sunset."  They tried to do something more original and ambiguous, slap a little intellectual depth on an otherwise flawless victory.

[CosmicGnosis]

I also wonder if they intended for players to feel like war criminals at the end...

[AdmiralCheez]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I also wonder if they intended for players to feel like war criminals at the end...

That right there is a case of them not thinking things through.

And this is not the first time they've failed to think things through.

[ADLegend21]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I also wonder if they intended for players to feel like war criminals at the end...

It's funny I feel like that after destroy. Shepard goes through hoops and difficult situations to promote synthetic life, even running intot he AI core to stop Javik and EDI from arguing and yelling at the quarian admirals to save the geth then "OOPS SORRY I WANNA KILL REAPERS YOU GOTTA GO TOO." The only ending you're not shoving shepard's will on everyone is control where Shepard's the only one that gets disentegrated to control the Reapers. You either doom everoyne by not using the cricible, give organics synthetic upgrades and synthetics emotions with synthesis, or you wipe out all the synthetic life you and the galaxy have created in destroy. *Ash Ketchum hat turn*  Headcanon, I choose you!

[AdmiralCheez]

ADLegend21 wrote...

 *Ash Ketchum hat turn*  Headcanon, I choose you!

SOMETHING WE CAN ALL AGREE ON!

[CrazyRah]

AD got it, i'm not interested in feeling like the worst war criminal ever. Headcanon is super effective!

[Hey]

Arcian wrote...

Anyway, Mordin attended the wedding playing keyboard with Wrex on the drums, Legion on bass, Thane on guitar and Niftu Cal providing the vocals.

That, kids, is how Mass Effect ended. True story.

Damn.  If it's gonna end it might as well be this.  I'd give you 10 bucks.   Cover band or all original ****?

[Purge the heathens]

My only gripe with synthesis is that, to me, it implies synthetics can't be truly alive without being partly organic, contrary to everything we have seen up to that point.

Anyway, I see it like this:

Destroy - The species of the galaxy achieve Synthesis on their own terms, in their own way.

Control - As Destroy, but necessary advancements in technology and science happen at a faster rate.

Synthesis - Obviously.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Purge the heathens wrote...

My only gripe with synthesis is that, to me, it implies synthetics can't be truly alive without being partly organic, contrary to everything we have seen up to that point.

Anyway, I see it like this:

Destroy - The species of the galaxy achieve Synthesis on their own terms, in their own way.

Control - As Destroy, but necessary advancements in technology and science happen at a faster rate.

Synthesis - Obviously.

Doesn't EC fix this by saying synthetics are improved by gaining full understanding of organics?

[Schachmatt123]

Synthesis is the proof that discussing evolution with creatonists can really be topped. Kudos Bioware, you made the impossible possible!

[Purge the heathens]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Doesn't EC fix this by saying synthetics are improved by gaining full understanding of organics?

Two things - First, that simple statement: "I am alive." Sounds to me as if she wasn't before.

Second, the scene where your LI comforts a sad EDI. Only after Synthesis can she feel sadness, genuine love, the whole spectrum, as if those things were the exlusive province of organics.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Purge the heathens wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Doesn't EC fix this by saying synthetics are improved by gaining full understanding of organics?

Two things - First, that simple statement: "I am alive." Sounds to me as if she wasn't before.

Second, the scene where your LI comforts a sad EDI. Only after Synthesis can she feel sadness, genuine love, the whole spectrum, as if those things were the exlusive province of organics.

I see what you mean, but I feel they were still fully alive before synthesis, but were more "human" afterwords.

[Heimdall]

Nice read, OP

[CosmicGnosis]

Synthetics are frowned upon no matter which choice you make. It's really frustrating.

[vallore]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

<OP snip>
 

Will the potential of synthesis allow for greater self-determination?
If we assume synthesis allows for it, then it would have to include the possibility of individual refusal of synthesis, be it by simply shutting down whatever “enhancements” it delivered, or by actual reversal of the process, retuning the “refusers” to their previous purely organic existence.

If Synthesis doesn’t allow this, then you end with less instead of more self-determination, as the path of returning to who you were is closed for you, even if that is what you want the most. What is the point of offering someone what he doesn’t want?

But I assume synthesis doesn’t allow this, anyway.

[Shogun Fish]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

2. Either Mac or Casey had a vision of what they wanted ME3 to be, and it clashed with what the rest of the series told us.  Like the child, it's forcefully injected symbolism.  Apparently, someone at Bioware thinks that the only way to truly understand a thing is to become that thing... or they have a fetish for metaphysical shenanigans.

"A fetish for metaphysical shenanigans"

I lol'd