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[Terrorize69]

I don't mean PC and his/her companions. I mean factions.

The Templars have both the Order and also most of the Seekers of Truth. While Mages just have the former Circles.

Against an elite anti-mage fighting force (Seekers), how will the mages counter this? That makes them seem overwelmed.

I guess Demons will take advantage but they attack all partys, mages and non mages alike.

So who else will step in for the mages?

The Tevinter prehaps?

[KainD]

If most mages actually learn to fight and learn blood magic, then they don't really need much support, but most of the are not like that. Then again most of them don't support Tevinter too.

I don't know who will support them.

[LobselVith8]

Terrorize69 wrote...

I don't mean PC and his/her companions. I mean factions.

The Templars have both the Order and also most of the Seekers of Truth. While Mages just have the former Circles.

Against an elite anti-mage fighting force (Seekers), how will the mages counter this? That makes them seem overwelmed.

I would advocate blood magic, since templars can nullify the ordinary abilities of a mage otherwise. And we know that the Circle mages have performed well historically, from their actions in defending the Andrastian nations during the Blights, and against the Qunari during the New Exalted Marches.

The historical record for the New Exalted Marches noted: "The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire."

Terrorize69 wrote...

I guess Demons will take advantage but they attack all partys, mages and non mages alike.

So who else will step in for the mages?

The Tevinter prehaps?

I think the Qunari have Tevinter occupied as it is, and I doubt most Magisters care about the plight of the mages outside the Imperium. I would try to establish an alliance with the Dalish clans, perhaps offering them back the Dales if we achieve victory.

[Stippling]

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The Templars kind of defected from the Chantry. It would almost seem more likely that it will be chantry + mages versus templars. Or maybe the chantry will just be divided.

[InfinitePaths]

Are you retarded,OP?Seekers want peace,they are not on the templar side.

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:08 .

[Terrorize69]

Ah yes but the Chantry never pitted the Circle against the Seekers, if most mages used to fear the Templars and the Templars feared the Seekers, they must be truly well gifted.

While Tevinter would normally not care for mages outside the Imperium, if they saw the opportunity to gain influence and a foothold in Southern Thedas by taking their side. I would think they just might. Occupied as they are with the Qunari, I would imagine even a handful of elite Tevinter Mages/Warriors/Etc, would be enough to organize the other mages into an efficient fighting force.

Other then the Tevinter... the Dalish "could" throw in their lot with the mages, they have no love for humans but Templars and Seekers don't discriminate between Dalish and Mages, both are in their eyes, enemies of the Chantry.

[Terrorize69]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Are you retarded,OP?Seekers want peace,they are not on the templar side.

Wrong.

With the dissolution of the Circle of Magi, Lord Seeker Lambert declared the Nevarran Accord
null and void in 9:40 Dragon. By separating the Seekers of Truth and
the Templar Order from Chantry authority, Lambert claims sole
responsibility for managing the mage situation in Thedas. Following this
dissolution, a templar host marches on the newly independent mages
gathered at the fortress of Andoral's Reach, effectively starting the Mage-Templar War.

Only some Seekers remained loyal to the Chantry, Aka Cass's group. Most left to fight the war. Be careful who you call retarded, even more so when your wrong. It sorta backfires.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Asepsis]

I think the leader of Ferelden (depending on choices you made) could end up siding with the mages possibly. Also Tevinter might decide to get in on the turmoil with all the circles busting free.

[Stippling]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Are you retarded,OP?Seekers want peace,they are not on the templar side.

Seeker Lambert would disagree with you.

[brushyourteeth]

Stippling wrote...

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The Templars kind of defected from the Chantry. It would almost seem more likely that it will be chantry + mages versus templars. Or maybe the chantry will just be divided.

Agree! Justinia may continue to help the mages if they let her. The Tevinter Imperium?... my guess is not so much. Those magisters have enough competition amonst each other already and not necessarily a sense of mage pride. They'll step in if there's power or resources to be gained. Alistair's friendly to mages (especially considering who his mom probably is), but since DA canon doesn't exist on the Ferelden monarchy, that may not make much of a difference.

My guess is that the mages stand pretty much alone. But since the Templars were planning to march on Andoral's Reach just a few days after Asunder's prologue, and by the time Cassandra interrogates Varric she's still trying to prevent a war, that probably means they've been doing a decent job of holding their own.

A smart nobleman, one who didn't have need of the Chantry (somewhere like Rivain) would strike while the iron's hot and earn the mages' support for a future coup. That could be the game changer that takes political power solidly out of Orlais' hands.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[mousestalker]

If they intend to model a real civil war, then no existing group will really remain intact. Each faction will congeal from the fragments of the CHantry, the templars (a subset of teh Chantry) and the mages with local lords throwing their support with one group or the other.

Realistically there would be a large, possibly a majority group, that wishes to stay out of the fighting and will only pitch in at the end on the winning side.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Some Mages don't deserve the chance to be free. But most are just trying to live their life in peace. I will fight for the freedom of the good mages.

[Bfler]

Stippling wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Are you retarded,OP?Seekers want peace,they are not on the templar side.

Seeker Lambert would disagree with you.

Lambert is killed by Cole, so the prime warmonger is dead.

[Terrorize69]

Stippling wrote...

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The Templars kind of defected from the Chantry. It would almost seem more likely that it will be chantry + mages versus templars. Or maybe the chantry will just be divided.

While the Templars have defected, they did so to fight the war on their own terms, without rules from the Chantry holding them back.

They still believe in the teachings of the Chantry, they would never strike against the heart of their religion.

So far it looks to be..

Mages vs Lord Lamberts Seekers and the Templar Order.

While the Divine, Chantry and those Seekers that remained loyal, aka Cass's faction. Strive to bring peace, and will most likely remain neutral. At least neutral at the start of DA3, the Inquisior may hold the power and influence to change that over the game.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Rawgrim]

I got fed up with blood mages in DA2. i will side with the templars in the next game, and hopefully wipe out that filth.

[Xilizhra]

Agree! Justinia may continue to help the mages if they let her. The Tevinter Imperium?... my guess is not so much. Those magisters have enough competition amonst each other already and not necessarily a sense of mage pride. They'll step in if there's power or resources to be gained. Alistair's friendly to mages (especially considering who his mom probably is), but since DA canon doesn't exist on the Ferelden monarchy, that may not make much of a difference.

If Justinia wouldn't give the mages freedom from the Chantry, her "help" is poisonous. Would she be willing to do so to bring peace? I suppose we'll see in the next game, unless she dies at the beginning.

[brushyourteeth]

Actually, the disenfranchised Templars and Seekers seem to be lacking a deep understanding of their own religion. Breaking away from the Maker's chosen is a bold move if you still hope to have him on your side. Not to mention their very flawed interpretation of the Chant's verses on magic and the ethical treatment of other mortals.

My guess is that most of them are just trying to keep their jobs, with a few fanatics leading the charge. With Lambert most likely dead but the order still signed by the other Knight Commanders, I hope we'll see that breakaway faction crumble. It may even be cool to assassinate those who lead them (something Justinia may be ok with, as a former bard).

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Abraham_uk]

I will.

I would love to play as a mage supporting the other mages!

But that depends on whether or not the game gives me the choice.

[brushyourteeth]

Xilizhra wrote...

Agree! Justinia may continue to help the mages if they let her. The Tevinter Imperium?... my guess is not so much. Those magisters have enough competition amonst each other already and not necessarily a sense of mage pride. They'll step in if there's power or resources to be gained. Alistair's friendly to mages (especially considering who his mom probably is), but since DA canon doesn't exist on the Ferelden monarchy, that may not make much of a difference.

If Justinia wouldn't give the mages freedom from the Chantry, her "help" is poisonous. Would she be willing to do so to bring peace? I suppose we'll see in the next game, unless she dies at the beginning.

Xilizhra, your bias is showing (again).

Justinia was working to give the mages freedom, but in their anger many of them refused to see it, and in taking matters in their own hands sent many of their brethren to their graves. An action I can understand, but now that they've made their beds they can sleep in them. All the more so if they refuse her help now.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, the disenfranchised Templars and Seekers seem to be lacking a deep understanding of their own religion. Breaking away from the Maker's chosen is a bold move if you still hope to have him on your side. Not to mention their very flawed interpretation of the Chant's verses on magic and the ethical treatment of other mortals.

No moreso than the Protestants breaking away from the Catholic Church. Both felt that the political institution dominating their religion at the time had become weak and corrupt, and that a new path was required, one that would be more true to the Maker. And personally, I'd say that the templars' interpretation of the Chant of Light is just as valid as the Chantry's, and that it's all crap anyway but it doesn't matter to them.

My guess is that most of them are just trying to keep their jobs, with a few fanatics leading the charge. With Lambert most likely dead but the order still signed by the other Knight Commanders, I hope we'll see that breakaway faction crumble. It may even be cool to assassinate those who lead them (something Justinia may be ok with, as a former bard).

What I wanted to see was the breakaway faction become ironclad, then stage a coup in the Chantry itself, effectively assuming leadership within it as well as in Orlais, and declaring martial law in all regions where they hold enough power to do so. So the templars rather swiftly become a sort of empire. Alas, that seems to not be the case, but I think the story'd be on the weak side if the Templar Order just fell apart.

Justinia was working to give the mages freedom, but in their anger many
of them refused to see it, and in taking matters in their own hands sent
many of their brethren to their graves. An action I can understand, but
now that they've made their beds they can sleep in them. All the more
so if they refuse her help now.

She was not. She was trying to make their bondage more outwardly palatable so that they'd stop complaining. She wasn't doing a damned thing substantial to reaching mage freedom, practically kowtowing to the templars more than once despite them being subordinate (and a fat lot of good that did her, yes?).

Modifié par Xilizhra, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Adanu]

As many as possible I hope. The Templars are a bunch of self righteous morons who need to be removed from their power.

[Terrorize69]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Actually, the disenfranchised Templars and Seekers seem to be lacking a deep understanding of their own religion. Breaking away from the Maker's chosen is a bold move if you still hope to have him on your side. Not to mention their very flawed interpretation of the Chant's verses on magic and the ethical treatment of other mortals.

My guess is that most of them are just trying to keep their jobs, with a few fanatics leading the charge. With Lambert most likely dead but the order still signed by the other Knight Commanders, I hope we'll see that breakaway faction crumble. It may even be cool to assassinate those who lead them (something Justinia may be ok with, as a former bard).

Thats what the Chantry most likely believe, the Seekers however believe its the Chantry who has lost its way in the makers followings.

It could also be wounded pride, they failed their duty in keeping the mages in check. I'm guessing a new Lord Seeker will be in charge of the Seekers/Templars, maybe its Cullen!

[DarkKnightHolmes]

My Warden was a mage so why the hell would I support the Templar and want myself locked up?

[thesnake777]

Hmm Well I would have to say we have to see what the mages are going to do exactly. If they have themselves organized they wont need too much help from other factions to be a very formidable group, they already have a network (I cant remember the name of it, those guys from Origins we got missions from) And there will most likely be templar defectors(there were plenty who were helping that group in origins) and other sympathizers who will stand with the mages.

[brushyourteeth]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Thats what the Chantry most likely believe, the Seekers however believe its the Chantry who has lost its way in the makers followings.

It could also be wounded pride, they failed their duty in keeping the mages in check. I'm guessing a new Lord Seeker will be in charge of the Seekers/Templars, maybe its Cullen!

If Cullen developed a new taste for mage brutality, that would definitely be an interesting twist to his story. He's had his "mages should die" moments in the past and always been able to more or less work past them and see them as humans(/elves) again. As he is now, I doubt he'd be ruthless enough to impress the rest of the Order 2.0, but you never know, right?

I think it's more likely that he's hanging out in a damp cell for insubordination or face-down in a tankard self-medicating his PTSD somewhere, but the writers will tell the story they want to tell.