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[ImperatorMortis]

I will support the mages, because Magic is cool, and fun.

[DarthSideus2]

[DarthSideus2]

And this.

[RobRam10]

Cast down the idols! Destroy the temples! Slay the priests! Show these fools that they worship nothing more than false god!
And lo the False White Eye shall be cast down and in its place the Black Dragon and Serpent shall rise again! Glorty for the Imperium!

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[TEWR]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I support diplomacy first and ideals second.

In DAO, I attempted to save the Mages because I wanted to at least give it a shot. To be honest, I was disappointed with how Broken Circle was handled from a writing perspective, but c'est la vie. In the end, I managed to save lives, no calamity ensued, huzzah huzzah.

*that's actually part of why I'm disappointed. A big part. No real consequence to the choice*

In DAII, I supported the Mages (again) because they were not only in the right but from a political standpoint I couldn't support Meredith. Plus, I hated her guts. And once again, as I've made clear over the last two years, I was upset with how the Mage-Templar storyline was handled in-game.

Both times diplomacy was not an option, and ideals had to thrive.

In DA:I, now that war has broken out I can attempt to engage in diplomacy with both camps to preserve as much life as possible, hopefully. If I must suffer some consequences, so be it. But I'll always support diplomacy first and foremost, regardless of where I stand on the M-T issue.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I imagine my Warden would support the mages if she was asked nicely, but she's currently on the Island of Lost Protagonists so she won't be much help.

You are a fool, me from 7 months ago.

[Zazzerka]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I imagine my Warden would support the mages if she was asked nicely, but she's currently on the Island of Lost Protagonists so she won't be much help.

You are a fool, me from 7 months ago.

I dunno, he seems like a cool guy.

Less fascism.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 04 novembre 2013 - 11:22 .

[Br3admax]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

SergeantSnookie wrote...

I imagine my Warden would support the mages if she was asked nicely, but she's currently on the Island of Lost Protagonists so she won't be much help.

You are a fool, me from 7 months ago.

Will you burn them now? Have you seen the light? 

[AngryFrozenWater]

I don't like what looks like oppression, but mages really don't make a good case, because it turns out mages in general are not very smart. They throw demons to anyone who opposes them. Instead they could be more pragmatic and form alliances to improve their situation or power. In the Tevinter Imperium one can see that at work for the more evil mages. Too bad there is no large scale counterpart for the non-evil mages. As such it is very hard to take their side.

[BronzTrooper]

The Seekers of Truth and Templars both broke off from the Chantry so the only group that the mages are fighting is the Chantry itself. I don't see why the Dalish Elves wouldn't help out considering how many of the mages are Elves and the Dalish have suffered the most during the Chantry's rule. I say take out the Chantry. People can still be Andrastians without the Chantry just like people can still be Christians without the Church. The Chantry can burn for all I care.

[dragonflight288]

Gamer072196 wrote...

The Seekers of Truth and Templars both broke off from the Chantry so the only group that the mages are fighting is the Chantry itself. I don't see why the Dalish Elves wouldn't help out considering how many of the mages are Elves and the Dalish have suffered the most during the Chantry's rule. I say take out the Chantry. People can still be Andrastians without the Chantry just like people can still be Christians without the Church. The Chantry can burn for all I care.

Not really. The Chantry allowed the mages to declare indepenence, and because of this the templars/seekers broke away from the Chantry so they could hunt mages. The mages are fighting the templars/seekers.

I support conscripting all of them (templars/mages) and force them to follow my rules as Inquisitor.

[Silfren]

Gamer072196 wrote...

The Seekers of Truth and Templars both broke off from the Chantry so the only group that the mages are fighting is the Chantry itself. I don't see why the Dalish Elves wouldn't help out considering how many of the mages are Elves and the Dalish have suffered the most during the Chantry's rule. I say take out the Chantry. People can still be Andrastians without the Chantry just like people can still be Christians without the Church. The Chantry can burn for all I care.

I think you need to look at things again.  Yes, the Templars and Seekers broke off from the Chantry (at least one faction of them did, at least). But THEY are the aggressors that the mages have to fight, not the Chantry.  I'm not really sure at all where you're getting the idea that the mages have only the Chantry to fight, when it's the other way 'round.  At least it is per the way things look right now.  But yeah, the Templars under Lambert broke away from the Chantry specifically to go after the mages--where are you getting that the mages don't have to fight them but the Chantry instead?

As for the Dalish, I don't think it's quite so simple a matter as the Dalish allying with the elves simply because there are elven mages.  We already know that the Dalish see their alienage cousins (which is where Elven mages come from) as "flat ears."  There would be significant cultural barriers to overcome--it isn't as though elf mages started out as kidnapped Dalish, after all.  And don't forget that even alienage elves have internalized a lot of the fear and suspicion surrounding Dalish elves, along with human religious traditions about Andrastianism. 

I could see the Dalish forming alliances, but it would likely be a more complicated matter than just that there are elvish mages. 

[Silfren]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't like what looks like oppression, but mages really don't make a good case, because it turns out mages in general are not very smart. They throw demons to anyone who opposes them. Instead they could be more pragmatic and form alliances to improve their situation or power. In the Tevinter Imperium one can see that at work for the more evil mages. Too bad there is no large scale counterpart for the non-evil mages. As such it is very hard to take their side.

I don't think you can make this argument since we haven't really seen the mages in action yet.  I don't count DA2 because lore-wise, it's one city, and to boot one that's known for being an unusually egregiously bad place for mages to be; and d each individual mage's backstory has context that proves it's not just that mages have some genetic disorder that predisposes them to stupidity.  Moreover, the Devs have made clear that they deliberately skewed the way mages were depicted in Kirkwall in order to influence player opinions. 

If, in Inquistion, mages collectively "throw demons to anyone who opposes them" and don't pragmatically form alliances, I think your argument might have merit, but currently it's groundless.

I fully expect that in Inquisition we WILL see mages forming alliances if only because they would have to in order to have a chance.  This is a worldwide conflict, supposedly, and we're supposed to be tromping all about the place, rather than being restricted to one city or region.  Having the mages fail to do this wouldn't be a point in favor of mages being a species with REALLY craptastic cognitive faculties, it would just be craptastic writing. 

[Medhia Nox]

The more important question, since this is going to be the Inquisitions story - not the mages - is: "Do the mages support closing the portals?"

If they do, they've got my protection - if they don't - they can bite it, and I'll teach the next generation of mages after I get the Veil repaired.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 04 novembre 2013 - 07:03 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Silfren wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I don't like what looks like oppression, but mages really don't make a good case, because it turns out mages in general are not very smart. They throw demons to anyone who opposes them. Instead they could be more pragmatic and form alliances to improve their situation or power. In the Tevinter Imperium one can see that at work for the more evil mages. Too bad there is no large scale counterpart for the non-evil mages. As such it is very hard to take their side.

I don't think you can make this argument since we haven't really seen the mages in action yet.  I don't count DA2 because lore-wise, it's one city, and to boot one that's known for being an unusually egregiously bad place for mages to be; and d each individual mage's backstory has context that proves it's not just that mages have some genetic disorder that predisposes them to stupidity.  Moreover, the Devs have made clear that they deliberately skewed the way mages were depicted in Kirkwall in order to influence player opinions. 

If, in Inquistion, mages collectively "throw demons to anyone who opposes them" and don't pragmatically form alliances, I think your argument might have merit, but currently it's groundless.

I fully expect that in Inquisition we WILL see mages forming alliances if only because they would have to in order to have a chance.  This is a worldwide conflict, supposedly, and we're supposed to be tromping all about the place, rather than being restricted to one city or region.  Having the mages fail to do this wouldn't be a point in favor of mages being a species with REALLY craptastic cognitive faculties, it would just be craptastic writing. 

Da 2 isn't only source that mages can't be trusted dao and daa provides many examples as well practically beaing reason most mains quest problems and if mages menage get someone as ally it will be totally unbelievable unless we are talking about tevinter mages are most hated thing in thedas maybe except qunari and fact only fool would take army of unstable and untrained ticking bombs under protection especially if they have other army after them.  

[Medhia Nox]

DA:O was the game the solidified my opinion of DA mages.

Zathrian, Jowan, Morrigan, Uldred, the Tevinter slavers, and Shale's master (can't remember his name right now).

Most of the others - like Irving, Niall, and the Senior Enchanters - all seemed largely unaware of anything relevant.

Wynne seemed wise - but still no more knowledgable about Thedas "magic" than any other dumb mage on Thedas.

It makes sense - they're born with it, and therefore don't earn it. Most just abuse it - like any debutante on reality TV exploits their wealth.

[Reznore57]

I think it's possible things will shift by the end of DAI.
The conflict will be paused at least .
What I've seen from the PAX demo is the red templars = blood mages.They have magical powers , they turn to Behemoth.(Abomination like creatures^^)
Probably the Chantry or at least part of the templars will agree that they misused magic like any mages .I 'm not sure The Chantry will follow , or will talk about this in public.

But the best outcome would be the pro mage Divine is still there ,the mages plays a big part in dealing with the Breach , so the Chantry can grants them more freedom without looking like idiots who just have no choice.
Drinking lyrium is forbidden for future generations , and templars and mages back in the circles can have a common goal.Look for ways more efficient to control magic.Meaning getting rid of lyrium addiction , Tranquility and all those wonderful stuff and more study about Lythany of Adralla and such.

Of course it probably won't happen , but hey!

[Mikoto8472]

I will side with the Mages.

[Lord Raijin]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The more important question, since this is going to be the Inquisitions story - not the mages - is: "Do the mages support closing the portals?"

If they do, they've got my protection - if they don't - they can bite it, and I'll teach the next generation of mages after I get the Veil repaired.

I'm sure the mages will support the closing of the portals only if the Inquisition can get the Templars/Seekers to stop attacking them. Without the assistance of the Inquisition the mages can not assist the Inquisititor in closing the portals due to the conflict with Templars/Seekers.



Each ring that is on the Inquisititor finger has a meaning and a story behind it.

In my interpretation I think it is the Inquisititor's job is to try to convince everyone to stop fighting each other and start focusing their energy on the bigger problem... demons and trying to find the solution to seal the veil.

For some reason I think were going to see a simular situation like what we dealt with back in DAO with the darkspawn.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 04 novembre 2013 - 07:53 .

[Medhia Nox]

@Lord Raijin: Then they'll stop on my terms, or they'll get crushed.

For my play through it is totally possible that both the Templars and Mages will not be joining in the closing of the portals on account of their inability to see beyond their petty quarrel.

I've already decided that I'm not going on appeasement missions for these two groups - or turning against the other and wasting my time fighting to gain favor.

They serve me - they get out of my way - or they get steamrolled. Those are their options for my play through (of course, within the parameters of what Bioware makes available).

[Thomas Andresen]

Each ring that is on the Inquisititor finger has a meaning and a story behind it.

Says who?

[Hellion Rex]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Each ring that is on the Inquisititor finger has a meaning and a story behind it.

Says who?

Considering that each ring represents a major faction in Thedas at the moment, it is not that hard to make an educated guess.

[ScarMK]

Is it just me or does the mage girl at the top of the page look like she has some eye infection?

[Asdrubael Vect]

ScarMK wrote...

Is it just me or does the mage girl at the top of the page look like she has some eye infection?

They are Blood Mages

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Each ring that is on the Inquisititor finger has a meaning and a story behind it.

Says who?

Considering that each ring represents a major faction in Thedas at the moment, it is not that hard to make an educated guess.

Yeah, the obvious that leaps to mind being that the Inquisitor kills people and wears their rings as trophies.  =P